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    Tony Blair says staying in the EU must remain an option

    WHEN NO DOESN'T MEAN NO!

    The ex-PM urges Remain voters to "prise apart the alliance which gave us Brexit", declaring: "We're the insurgents now."

    Baby killer Tony, compulsive liar and war monger says the minority should rise up against the majority (lets call it the the majority in a democracy) to over throw the clear BREXIT VOTE.

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    181 Comments

    Original Poster

    The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should be ignored. The man who destroyed an entire region, gave rise to extremist groups yet earns millions a year giving talks on politics thinks that the British people are too stupid to be given a choice.

    I just hope the Russians didn't use all their Polonium and Tony (the killer of babies, their mothers and grandmothers) likes Sushi!

    Graham1979

    The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should … The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should be ignored. The man who destroyed an entire region, gave rise to extremist groups yet earns millions a year giving talks on politics thinks that the British people are too stupid to be given a choice. I just hope the Russians didn't use all their Polonium and Tony (the killer of babies, their mothers and grandmothers) likes Sushi!



    ​Is that you Jezza?

    Quite fitting for Bliar to describe himself as an insurgent.
    Filthy war criminal.

    the man is mental, goes to war with other countries, trying to start a civil war here.

    Graham1979

    The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should … The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should be ignored. The man who destroyed an entire region, gave rise to extremist groups yet earns millions a year giving talks on politics thinks that the British people are too stupid to be given a choice.

    Yeah, he's got a point though don't you think.

    I read this this morning. The man is too silly for words. He says that people might change their minds about the way they voted and so a second referendum would be needed. How long has he been a politician? Also, that thought can be carried over to those who voted remain, surely some will realise the mistake they made. Then, if the Remainers had won 51.9% to 48.1%, he would be the first to tell the leavers to shut up and get on with it. The man is a fool.

    you mean bliar

    Predikuesi

    I read this this morning. The man is too silly for words. He says that … I read this this morning. The man is too silly for words. He says that people might change their minds about the way they voted and so a second referendum would be needed. How long has he been a politician? Also, that thought can be carried over to those who voted remain, surely some will realise the mistake they made. Then, if the Remainers had won 51.9% to 48.1%, he would be the first to tell the leavers to shut up and get on with it. The man is a fool.



    He makes some eloquent points about what a Brexit could achieve though when he says Britain should free itself from all the constraints which Europe imposes and from its essential social democratic model and go for a new type of economy altogether ... defined in a sense by its very oppositon to that European model. It would be free market, free trading, light regulation, low tax, low social protection.

    I'm no great lover of the man but I think he does care about things like public services, the NHS etc. and wants to see them survive. What Brexit will do is hit the poorest in society yet some here are cheerleading for that apparently.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    He makes some eloquent points about what a Brexit could achieve though … He makes some eloquent points about what a Brexit could achieve though when he says Britain should free itself from all the constraints which Europe imposes and from its essential social democratic model and go for a new type of economy altogether ... defined in a sense by its very oppositon to that European model. It would be free market, free trading, light regulation, low tax, low social protection.I'm no great lover of the man but I think he does care about things like public services, the NHS etc. and wants to see them survive. What Brexit will do is hit the poorest in society yet some here are cheerleading for that apparently.


    I laughed that much a little bit of wee came out. Naive or what

    Graham1979

    The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should … The man who killed millions thinks the will of the British people should be ignored. The man who destroyed an entire region, gave rise to extremist groups yet earns millions a year giving talks on politics thinks that the British people are too stupid to be given a choice. I just hope the Russians didn't use all their Polonium and Tony (the killer of babies, their mothers and grandmothers) likes Sushi!



    Do you really think that Blair (and Bush) gave rise to extremist groups? Do you really want to absolve some of the most despicable human beings on Earth of blame by laying that at the feet of Blair?

    Can we not move on from this falsehood that the Middle East was a peaceful place until Blair (and Bush) marched into town and killed children? I'm not going to defend every action he took but I'm also not going to pretend that intervention in the middle-east (where men, women and children were being butchered for years) was something dreamt up by Blair alone.

    aibon

    I laughed that much a little bit of wee came out. Naive or what



    I tend not to believe that every politician is a self-serving narcissist. There's plenty of money to be made in the private sector if you're one of them.

    I don't think the guy is perfect by any means, in the same way I don't subscribe to the idea that Thatcher was the devil as I'm fairly certain some here would, and I think there is a part of him that has a social conscience. Obviously that'll be dismissed by some because 'hurhur Bliar' but I think all viewpoints are worthy of consideration, especially with the immense experience he does possess.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    He makes some eloquent points about what a Brexit could achieve though … He makes some eloquent points about what a Brexit could achieve though when he says Britain should free itself from all the constraints which Europe imposes and from its essential social democratic model and go for a new type of economy altogether ... defined in a sense by its very oppositon to that European model. It would be free market, free trading, light regulation, low tax, low social protection.I'm no great lover of the man but I think he does care about things like public services, the NHS etc. and wants to see them survive. What Brexit will do is hit the poorest in society yet some here are cheerleading for that apparently.



    ​that really is all you've got, all the people who voted out are racist and want the poor to be poorer. same record, different day.

    shadey12

    ​that really is all you've got, all the people who voted out are racist a … ​that really is all you've got, all the people who voted out are racist and want the poor to be poorer. same record, different day.



    I've never said that. I've said I suspect more than a few are xenophobic and the effect is that the poor are going to get poorer.

    Sorry if you don't like hearing that you'll invariably have less disposable income but it's the truth.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Do you really think that Blair (and Bush) gave rise to extremist groups? … Do you really think that Blair (and Bush) gave rise to extremist groups? Do you really want to absolve some of the most despicable human beings on Earth of blame by laying that at the feet of Blair?Can we not move on from this falsehood that the Middle East was a peaceful place until Blair (and Bush) marched into town and killed children? I'm not going to defend every action he took but I'm also not going to pretend that intervention in the middle-east (where men, women and children were being butchered for years) was something dreamt up by Blair alone.


    Iraq was prosperous and peaceful until Bush/Bliar and the coalition of the killing and their various successors decided that Saddam was no longer their best friend. Ditto Libya, ditto Syria. Both Saddam and Gaddafi accurately forecast the outcome of their removal.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Do you really think that Blair (and Bush) gave rise to extremist groups? … Do you really think that Blair (and Bush) gave rise to extremist groups? Do you really want to absolve some of the most despicable human beings on Earth of blame by laying that at the feet of Blair?Can we not move on from this falsehood that the Middle East was a peaceful place until Blair (and Bush) marched into town and killed children? I'm not going to defend every action he took but I'm also not going to pretend that intervention in the middle-east (where men, women and children were being butchered for years) was something dreamt up by Blair alone.


    If you have any doubts about where Blair's loyalties really lie then his recent comments on having another referendum on Brexit put it in no doubt. I'll give you a clue, its not the British people or its democratic will. He serves another master.
    Edited by: "aibon" 28th Oct 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I've never said that. I've said I suspect more than a few are xenophobic … I've never said that. I've said I suspect more than a few are xenophobic and the effect is that the poor are going to get poorer.Sorry if you don't like hearing that you'll invariably have less disposable income but it's the truth.



    ​I'm afraid your making assumptions, as usual.

    aibon

    If you have any doubts about where Blair's loyalties really lie then his … If you have any doubts about where Blair's loyalties really lie then his recent comments on having another referendum on Brexit put it in now doubt. I'll give you a clue, its not the British people or its democratic will. He serves another master.



    Is it George Soros? Or the devil? It's one of the two usually and I can't check right now whether he smells of sulphur so I'll play it safe and go for Soros.


    qbs

    Iraq was prosperous and peaceful until Bush/Bliar and the coalition of … Iraq was prosperous and peaceful until Bush/Bliar and the coalition of the killing and their various successors decided that Saddam was no longer their best friend. Ditto Libya, ditto Syria. Both Saddam and Gaddafi accurately forecast the outcome of their removal.



    Yeah, this isn't an accurate portrayal of those regions. I imagine that's the narrative peddled somewhere but I'm really not going to legitimise it or really even engage with it beyond this.

    This is about Brexit and his opinions have some merit, although the language is a little extreme.
    Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 28th Oct 2016

    shadey12

    ​I'm afraid your making assumptions, as usual.



    If your wage remains the same, you're going to have a cost of living increase if you live in Britain. That's indisputable I'm afraid.
    Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 28th Oct 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I've never said that. I've said I suspect more than a few are xenophobic … I've never said that. I've said I suspect more than a few are xenophobic and the effect is that the poor are going to get poorer.Sorry if you don't like hearing that you'll invariably have less disposable income but it's the truth.


    Ahhh, now we get the truth, a staunch remainer who is willing to forego millions of dead people if they agree with him on Brexit

    aibon

    Ahhh, now we get the truth, a staunch remainer who is willing to forego … Ahhh, now we get the truth, a staunch remainer who is willing to forego millions of dead people if they agree with him on Brexit



    Not quite - I don't particularly like Blair but I don't pretend the Middle-East has been an oasis of serenity, nor do I discount a seasoned politician's views in one area because I might disagree with them in another.

    He's made comments in a newspaper and so far I can see only two people wanting to discuss those comments whilst everyone else seems intent on bashing Blair and calling him 'Bliar' (because if you switch the 'i' and 'a' around in his name it sounds a bit like 'liar').

    Still can't get my head around him apologizing to families of illegal rioters who put themselves in the middle of a gun battle between soldiers and terrorists in Londonderry over 40 years ago.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    If your wage remains the same, you're going to have a cost of living … If your wage remains the same, you're going to have a cost of living increase if you live in Britain. That's indisputable I'm afraid.


    I know you have been sold the globalist lie but seriously, do you really want us controlled by these unelected bureaucrats ?
    http://s9.postimg.org/f44qa3zcv/salty_remainers_Google_Search.jpg

    qbs

    Iraq was prosperous and peaceful until Bush/Bliar and the coalition of … Iraq was prosperous and peaceful until Bush/Bliar and the coalition of the killing and their various successors decided that Saddam was no longer their best friend. Ditto Libya, ditto Syria. Both Saddam and Gaddafi accurately forecast the outcome of their removal.



    That's always going to be a difficult one to come to terms with. Saddam was obviously butchering his own people and surrounding tribes, but America and Britain got involved on the lie they were fed (WMD) or chose to attack even though they knew there was no evidence. I read a book by an Iraqi general, now living in the US, who said that Saddam moved the WMD into Turkey (photos accompanied the report), but I think he was a stooge for the US and wrote what they wanted to hear. I do believe though, that the area was far safer place then compared to the mess it is in now. This is partly due to the west trying to impose democracy on a people that do not want or possibly not understand it.
    I said that it was difficult because Saddam needed to go, but the vacuum has been filled with ideologies more brutal than his. I wonder how different it would have been if oil and gas were not in the equation.

    Edited by: "Predikuesi" 28th Oct 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Is it George Soros? Or the devil? It's one of the two usually and I can't … Is it George Soros? Or the devil? It's one of the two usually and I can't check right now whether he smells of sulphur so I'll play it safe and go for Soros.Yeah, this isn't an accurate portrayal of those regions. I imagine that's the narrative peddled somewhere but I'm really not going to legitimise it or really even engage with it beyond this.This is about Brexit and his opinions have some merit, although the language is a little extreme.


    If it's not accurate, let's hear your version.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Not quite - I don't particularly like Blair but I don't pretend the … Not quite - I don't particularly like Blair but I don't pretend the Middle-East has been an oasis of serenity, nor do I discount a seasoned politician's views in one area because I might disagree with them in another.He's made comments in a newspaper and so far I can see only two people wanting to discuss those comments whilst everyone else seems intent on bashing Blair and calling him 'Bliar' (because if you switch the 'i' and 'a' around in his name it sounds a bit like 'liar').


    Exactly, you dont like Blair but he is an ally in your quest to overturn the democratic will of 17.5 million people so of course he cant be that bad hey?

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Not quite - I don't particularly like Blair but I don't pretend the … Not quite - I don't particularly like Blair but I don't pretend the Middle-East has been an oasis of serenity, nor do I discount a seasoned politician's views in one area because I might disagree with them in another.He's made comments in a newspaper and so far I can see only two people wanting to discuss those comments whilst everyone else seems intent on bashing Blair and calling him 'Bliar' (because if you switch the 'i' and 'a' around in his name it sounds a bit like 'liar').



    I think what you mean is, ​you don't discount anyone's views as long as they agree with yours.

    aibon

    I know you have been sold the globalist lie but seriously, do you really … I know you have been sold the globalist lie but seriously, do you really want us controlled by these unelected bureaucrats ?



    Dude, if I wanted to be accused of being 'sold the globalist lie' I'd go to my local Game store and start a conversation with the shop assistant with the ponytail - you know the one right?

    FYI you live in a country with an unelected monarch and the PM has the power of Royal Prerogative. Unelected bureaucracy ain't got **** on that.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    If your wage remains the same, you're going to have a cost of living … If your wage remains the same, you're going to have a cost of living increase if you live in Britain. That's indisputable I'm afraid.



    ​is that your reason really? your thinking of yourself and your finances.

    For all his faults, you've got to give Blair his due. He's got the rabid brexiters of HUKD foaming.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Dude, if I wanted to be accused of being 'sold the globalist lie' I'd go … Dude, if I wanted to be accused of being 'sold the globalist lie' I'd go to my local Game store and start a conversation with the shop assistant with the ponytail - you know the one right?FYI you live in a country with an unelected monarch and the PM has the power of Royal Prerogative. Unelected bureaucracy ain't got **** on that.


    triggered

    Predikuesi

    That's always going to be a difficult one to come to terms with. Saddam … That's always going to be a difficult one to come to terms with. Saddam was obviously butchering his own people and surrounding tribes, but America and Britain got involved on the lie they were fed (WMD) or chose to attack even though they knew there was no evidence. I read a book by an Iraqi general, now living in the US, who said that Saddam moved the WMD into Turkey (photos accompanied the report), but I think he was a stooge for the US and wrote what they wanted to hear. I do believe though, that the area was far safer place then compared to the mess it is in now. This is partly due to the west trying to impose democracy on a people that do not want or possible not understand it. I said that it was difficult because Saddam needed to go, but the vacuum has been filled with ideologies more brutal than his. I wonder how different it would have been if oil and gas were not in the equation.


    Little doubt that people 'disappear' the world over. The point about Saddam was that he wasn't the worst, and for the majority of the population, life seemed to be reasonable. Plenty worse regimes still being supplied with weapons by uk & usa.

    aibon

    triggered



    Ooh, an internet meme - didn't see that coming.

    shadey12

    ​is that your reason really? your thinking of yourself and your finances.



    And the public finances, and your's actually.

    See when you're responsible for yourself and a family, you care about things like money, schools, the NHS and what opportunities your children will have.

    Hard to believe but my reasons for voting remain were so that the next generation could have all the opportunities we had, and more. Honestly I could give two ***** about where laws are made and by whom, so long as they stay out of my way and let me live my life.

    Move on for Christ sake.Those who want to remain in the EU can move elsewhere.

    pdbis

    Move on for Christ sake.Those who want to remain in the EU can move … Move on for Christ sake.Those who want to remain in the EU can move elsewhere.



    The whole finance sector then...
    Which is also the reason why we were the world's fifth largest economy.
    Edited by: "DT89" 28th Oct 2016

    I voted remain but I also dislike Blair

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    And the public finances, and your's actually.See when you're responsible … And the public finances, and your's actually.See when you're responsible for yourself and a family, you care about things like money, schools, the NHS and what opportunities your children will have. Hard to believe but my reasons for voting remain were so that the next generation could have all the opportunities we had, and more. Honestly I could give two ***** about where laws are made and by whom, so long as they stay out of my way and let me live my life.




    Can you stay out of our way and let us get on with our (misc) lives?

    Mark2111

    Can you stay out of our way and let us get on with our (misc) lives?



    Yeah, just stick me on ignore like your buddy and pal philphil.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    And the public finances, and your's actually.See when you're responsible … And the public finances, and your's actually.See when you're responsible for yourself and a family, you care about things like money, schools, the NHS and what opportunities your children will have. Hard to believe but my reasons for voting remain were so that the next generation could have all the opportunities we had, and more. Honestly I could give two ***** about where laws are made and by whom, so long as they stay out of my way and let me live my life.



    ​i will personally be worse off when rents go down, house prices stagnate or fall and wages rise, however I think of the future, I'm not short-sighted and thinking me and my family are OK, pull up the ladder.

    dtovey89

    The whole finance sector then...Which is also the reason why we were the … The whole finance sector then...Which is also the reason why we were the world's fifth largest economy.




    If we had voted to stay the leavers would of accepted it.
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