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    Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully contributing by paying UK Taxes

    So Lord Ashcroft, Tory Vice-Chairman has released his Tax status a few days before it will be revealed under the freedom of information act.

    He has beeen pouring money into our political system for years in an attempt to influence who runs the country while at the same time avoiding paying UK taxes on most of his income.

    Seems to me rank hypocrisy.

    If your want to take part in our democratic process you should be a fully paid up member of our society.

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    Typical Tory s***

    He shouldnt even be allowed the Houses of Parliament if he doesnt pay the full tax he owes

    Should be jailed for tax evasion IMO.

    He is doing nothing illegal....

    Get a grip guys...

    DarkKnight;7989298

    Should be jailed for tax evasion IMO.



    He can't be jailed for tax evasion.........he's paid tax on all UK earnings. It's his foreign earnings he hasn't (and doesn't have too).

    Just like many actors, sports people and a lot of the wealthy in this country.......they base themselves abroad to avoid the UK's high taxes. Bankers will be doing it soon.

    Chiptivo;7989303

    He is doing nothing illegal....Get a grip guys...



    immoral though - he classes himself as non - domiciled in Britain, so why should he be allowed to participate in the democratic system in such an active manner?

    The country is in a terrible financial state, and we have hugely wealthy people like this employing accountants to take advantage of tax loop holes so they dont contribute towards the running of the country

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    Chiptivo;7989303

    He is doing nothing illegal....Get a grip guys...


    The man has got more money to spend getting who he wants elected because he is not paying the taxes the rest of us have to. That cannot be right in a democracy.
    He is now saying he will give up this "non dom" status if the Tories win the election. Talk about want you cake and eat it.

    roryk83;7989337

    immoral though - he classes himself as non - domiciled in Britain, so why … immoral though - he classes himself as non - domiciled in Britain, so why should he be allowed to participate in the democratic system in such an active manner?The country is in a terrible financial state, and we have hugely wealthy people like this employing accountants to take advantage of tax loop holes so they dont contribute towards the running of the country



    Absolutely..........i completely agree. :thumbsup: I was just responding to the absurd jail him notion.

    Don't think he is going to run the country.

    pghstochaj;7989352

    Don't think he is going to run the country.



    He might................Forest Gump style anyway. :-D

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    Syzable;7989327

    He can't be jailed for tax evasion.........he's paid tax on all UK … He can't be jailed for tax evasion.........he's paid tax on all UK earnings. It's his foreign earnings he hasn't (and doesn't have too).Just like many actors, sports people and a lot of the wealthy in this country.......they base themselves abroad to avoid the UK's high taxes. Bankers will be doing it soon.


    None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not addressing the point here.
    He is Vice-Chairman of the Tory party and wants to rule the country yet he does not want to contribute fully like the rest of us.
    ok just read your response.
    pghstochaj;7989352

    Don't think he is going to run the country.


    You should look at the influence and money he is spending on the Election. Particularly in marginal seats. If he is not running the country he is buying an election.

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    "while at the same time avoiding paying UK taxes on most of his income."

    Sorry, don't want to start another argument but this isn't true.
    I agree with Chiptivo.

    He doesn't pay tax on his earnings made from sources abroad. What's wrong with that?

    You rent a property out in Spain, you wouldn't want to pay UK tax on it would you?

    Plum;7989359

    None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not … None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not addressing the point here.He is Vice-Chairman of the Tory party and wants to rule the country yet he does not want to contribute fully like the rest of us.



    As i said........i agree he shouldn't be involved but i was responding to the 'jail him' comment.

    If you could jail people willy nilly for not breaking the law we'd have a right laugh. lol

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    Plum;7989359

    None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not … None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not addressing the point here.He is Vice-Chairman of the Tory party and wants to rule the country yet he does not want to contribute fully like the rest of us.ok just read your response.



    He does contribute fully. He pays the correct amount of tax for any UK earnings.

    Plum;7989359

    None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not … None of these people should be involved in politics either. You are not addressing the point here.He is Vice-Chairman of the Tory party and wants to rule the country yet he does not want to contribute fully like the rest of us.



    Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the country? The vast majority of people can't name the current chair of our governing party, let alone the vice chair. Then shall we get onto the fact that we don't live in a system where one person is in control, we have an elected parliament. Either people like to sensationalise, or know nothing.

    Banned

    pghstochaj;7989386

    Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the … Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the country? The vast majority of people can't name the current chair of our governing party, let alone the vice chair. Then shall we get onto the fact that we don't live in a system where one person is in control, we have an elected parliament. Either people like to sensationalise, or know nothing.



    Here,here!

    JonnyTwoToes;7989363

    "while at the same time avoiding paying UK taxes on most of his … "while at the same time avoiding paying UK taxes on most of his income."Sorry, don't want to start another argument but this isn't true.I agree with Chiptivo.He doesn't pay tax on his earnings made from sources abroad. What's wrong with that?You rent a property out in Spain, you wouldn't want to pay UK tax on it would you?



    If you were resident and domiciled in the UK then yes you would have to pay the tax as it is a source of income

    Even David Cameron has said that anyone sitting in the legislature - Lords or Commons - must be treated as resident and domiciled in the UK for tax purposes,

    pghstochaj;7989386

    Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the … Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the country? The vast majority of people can't name the current chair of our governing party, let alone the vice chair. Then shall we get onto the fact that we don't live in a system where one person is in control, we have an elected parliament. Either people like to sensationalise, or know nothing.



    I think you're totally missing the point in that he exerts a huge amount of influence over the party, he funds the party in the millions, and you think that if the torys get into power he wont have a disproportionate amount of influence?

    Banned

    roryk83;7989459

    If you were resident and domiciled in the UK then yes you would have to … If you were resident and domiciled in the UK then yes you would have to pay the tax as it is a source of incomeEven David Cameron has said that anyone sitting in the legislature - Lords or Commons - must be treated as resident and domiciled in the UK for tax purposes,



    But he's a nom-dom. That's the point.

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    pghstochaj;7989386

    Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the … Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the country? The vast majority of people can't name the current chair of our governing party, let alone the vice chair. Then shall we get onto the fact that we don't live in a system where one person is in control, we have an elected parliament. Either people like to sensationalise, or know nothing.


    Your playing semantics.
    The fact is this man is playing a leading role in a political party that is aiming on winning the next election. If that is so he will be an important person in a ruling party.

    pghstochaj;7989386

    Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the … Once again, since when does the vice chair of the opposition rule the country? The vast majority of people can't name the current chair of our governing party, let alone the vice chair. Then shall we get onto the fact that we don't live in a system where one person is in control, we have an elected parliament. Either people like to sensationalise, or know nothing.



    JonnyTwoToes;7989497

    But he's a nom-dom. That's the point.



    but its not right. Thats the point

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    If your want to take part in our democratic process you should be a fully paid up member of our society.


    So where does that put people who are on benefits and don't contribute anything bar VAT, which I would take a wild guess are considerably less than Lord Ashcroft's?

    roryk83;7989475

    I think you're totally missing the point in that he exerts a huge amount … I think you're totally missing the point in that he exerts a huge amount of influence over the party, he funds the party in the millions, and you think that if the torys get into power he wont have a disproportionate amount of influence?



    I think you are totally missing the point. He does not appear to want to and will not be running the country. Simple as that. Decisions are made in an entirely different way to how you seem to think.

    There are approximately 20 people on a similar level to Lord Ashcroft. So no, I don't think so.

    Plum;7989504

    Your playing semantics.The fact is this man is playing a leading role in … Your playing semantics.The fact is this man is playing a leading role in a political party that is aiming on winning the next election. If that is so he will be an important person in a ruling party.



    Yes, he will be, but he won't be running the country.

    Banned

    roryk83;7989505

    but its not right. Thats the point



    Why is it not right?
    I believe in a global economy. Therefore, if I have a percentage of income being generated from this global economy, and not from the UK, then i'd declare myself a nom-dom.

    It seems those who think of this country as being nothing more than an island on it's own path, have the problem with this.

    Think of the bigger picture.

    Banned

    JonnyTwoToes;7989567

    Why is it not right?I believe in a global economy. Therefore, if I have … Why is it not right?I believe in a global economy. Therefore, if I have a percentage of income being generated from this global economy, and not from the UK, then i'd declare myself a nom-dom.It seems those who think of this country as being nothing more than an island on it's own path, have the problem with this.Think of the bigger picture.



    Some of it is just jealousy/resentment of the wealthy.

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    FilthAndFurry;7989510

    If your want to take part in our democratic process you should be a fully … If your want to take part in our democratic process you should be a fully paid up member of our society.So where does that put people who are on benefits and don't contribute anything bar VAT, which I would take a wild guess are considerably less than Lord Ashcroft's?


    I would hazard a guess that as a proportion of income the percentage would be larger than Lord Ashcroft. However I am not sure how many people on benefits are going to contribute millions to a political party to influence and election, but my best guess would be none.
    If you are a UK tax payer you may be entitled to benefits as part of the laws of the land. These entitlements are decided by laws made by the ruling government and tax payers when employed have to contribute to these.
    The point is the man will influence those laws without being prepared to contribute as decided by UK tax law.

    Banned

    Plum;7989583

    The point is the man will influence those laws without being prepared to … The point is the man will influence those laws without being prepared to contribute as decided by UK tax law.



    That's were you're making the error.
    He is paying all his UK tax.

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    JonnyTwoToes;7989567

    Why is it not right?I believe in a global economy. Therefore, if I have a … Why is it not right?I believe in a global economy. Therefore, if I have a percentage of income being generated from this global economy, and not from the UK, then i'd declare myself a nom-dom.It seems those who think of this country as being nothing more than an island on it's own path, have the problem with this.Think of the bigger picture.


    FilthAndFurry;7989582

    Some of it is just jealousy/resentment of the wealthy.


    Reads as though you two do not have a lot of time for the democratic process and think anybody with a lot of money should be able to buy into and influence UK politics.

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    Plum;7989583

    I would hazard a guess that as a proportion of income the percentage … I would hazard a guess that as a proportion of income the percentage would be larger than Lord Ashcroft. However I am not sure how many people on benefits are going to contribute millions to a political party to influence and election, but my best guess would be none.If you are a UK tax payer you may be entitled to benefits as part of the laws of the land. These entitlements are decided by laws made by the ruling government and tax payers when employed have to contribute to these. The point is the man will influence those laws without being prepared to contribute as decided by UK tax law.



    Like it or not he isn't breaking any rules. I'd be in interested to know what his tax contribution in this country actually is too.

    Im not at all surprised to discover your dislike of a wealthy tory though.

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    Plum;7989608

    Reads as though you two do not have a lot of time for the democratic … Reads as though you two do not have a lot of time for the democratic process and think anybody with a lot of money should be able to buy into and influence UK politics.



    Not at all.
    But that isn't the point. Your post presumes he is not paying all his UK tax. The fact is, he is.

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    Plum;7989608

    Reads as though you two do not have a lot of time for the democratic … Reads as though you two do not have a lot of time for the democratic process and think anybody with a lot of money should be able to buy into and influence UK politics.



    Sorry, are you only just finding out that wealthy individuals, businesses and trade unions all have influences on the 'democratic process'?

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    JonnyTwoToes;7989600

    That's were you're making the error.He is paying all his UK tax.


    No he is not he is paying tax only on his uk earnings. While living in this country and trying to influence how our public services are run, what laws are made he is witholding the bulk of his earnings as a non dom.
    Unlike many other rich people who choose to live in this country with all the benefits that entails and pay UK taxes on all earnings.

    ********.

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    Plum;7989627

    No he is not he is paying tax only on his uk earnings.



    Exactly - He is paying all his UK tax. You think it's fair for him to pay NI and PAYE as well as Income tax, VAT and corporation tax on a corner shop he may have in Bombay?

    Plum;7989627

    While living in this country and trying to influence how our public … While living in this country and trying to influence how our public services are run, what laws are made he is witholding the bulk of his earnings as a non dom.Unlike many other rich people who choose to live in this country with all the benefits that entails and pay UK taxes on all earnings.



    Again, why should he pay taxes on earnings he has from abroad?

    So to conclude:

    Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully contributing by paying UK taxes

    is actually:

    Tory Vice Chair pays UK taxes.

    Sensational.

    Banned

    pghstochaj;7989673

    So to conclude:Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully … So to conclude:Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully contributing by paying UK taxesis actually:Tory Vice Chair pays UK taxes.Sensational.



    And the subtext is

    'Wealthy Tory :w00t::w00t::w00t: - Run for your Lives!!!'

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    pghstochaj;7989673

    So to conclude:Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully … So to conclude:Tory Vice Chair wants to run the country without fully contributing by paying UK taxesis actually:Tory Vice Chair pays UK taxes.Sensational.



    :-D

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    FilthAndFurry;7989621

    Sorry, are you only just finding out that wealthy individuals, businesses … Sorry, are you only just finding out that wealthy individuals, businesses and trade unions all have influences on the 'democratic process'?


    No, I am just finding out how little time you have for it. However all the institutions you mention I would expect to be fully Uk based and paying full Uk tax.

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    FilthAndFurry;7989679

    And the subtext is'Wealthy Tory :w00t::w00t::w00t: - Run for your … And the subtext is'Wealthy Tory :w00t::w00t::w00t: - Run for your Lives!!!'


    I assume your answer as usual it to cut benefits to the poorest and good luck to the rich in avoiding any tax they can.

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    Plum;7989687

    No, I am just finding out how little time you have for it. However all … No, I am just finding out how little time you have for it. However all the institutions you mention I would expect to be fully Uk based and paying full Uk tax.



    I have little time for jealousy dressed up as outrage.

    This person is small fry compared to the likes of Rupert Murdoch.
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