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    Trump out to carve up Palestine in pizza slices for Israel by appointing his Son in law to negotiate peace. Scandalous nepotism.

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    This is plain taking the mickey out of Palestine. He's just a yes man puppet for Netanyahu to control in such a biased ploy in which history has no equal IMO.

    "Donald Trump’s proposed new point man on the Middle East peace process, his 36-year-old son-in-law Jared Kushner, is almost unknown to Israeli business and political figures and an even greater mystery to Palestinians, as well as a diplomatic neophyte.

    Trump’s insistence on pushing the untried Kushner into such an important and difficult role comes at a historic low point in the moribund peace process.

    Trump has claimed in interviews that Kushner could succeed where other more experienced peace negotiators have failed. He has said Kushner, the husband of Ivanka Trump and an Orthodox Jew who is the grandson of Holocaust survivors, “knows the region, knows the people, knows the players”.

    Trump names son-in-law Jared Kushner as senior adviser, testing anti-nepotism law

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    But the reality appears to be somewhat different. It has emerged that the only previous encounter Kushner – who was raised in a family that owes its wealth to real estate speculation – has had with Israel’s prime minister was when he was a child and Benjamin Netanyahu visited his father.

    Indeed, Kushner’s only other significant contact with a senior Israeli politician before last year appears to have been with the mayor of Jerusalem, Nir Barkat. Kushner does, however, appear to be familiar with wealthy rightwing US Jewish figures who back Israel.

    Kushner’s views on the issue are believed to be reflected in his contribution to a speech Trump delivered to a pro-Israel lobby group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, in the spring. It included a promise to challenge Iran and to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    Despite Trump’s enthusiasm for Kushner, he will have to navigate a US anti-nepotism law that states a public official “may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment … any individual who is a relative of the public official”.

    Amid a highly uncharacteristic silence from senior Israeli political figures over Trump’s repeated insistence that Kushner will be at the helm of US Middle East policy, Trump himself appears to have struggled in recent interviews to explain why he thinks Kushner is qualified for the job, besides the fact he likes him."

    theguardian.com/us-…ole

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    For someone called smiler, your threads aren't very smiley.

    The Trump circus have an arrogance they can do anything they want but will soon discover to their cost the harsh reality of the world they live in
    Palestinians have friends too

    Ok we know you dont like trump, but is it really necessary to dig up every tiny bit of negative (true or lies) you can about it?
    You should work for BBC news

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    Aiden1512

    For someone called smiler, your threads aren't very smiley.



    Sorry Aiden, felt sad for Palestinians today. I condemn their terrorist attacks against Israel and Israel's state sponsored terrorism against them. But if you look at this simply - a US president decides to give the job to his 36 year old nephew, who's only "experience" was meeting Netanyahu when he was a kid. He's a puppet. A mere token gesture. A fully compliant tool to further Israel's agenda. Nothing more. It's a farce. A whitewash. There is not much to smile about when such **** is being taken on the world stage.

    sowotsdis

    The Trump circus have an arrogance they can do anything they want but … The Trump circus have an arrogance they can do anything they want but will soon discover to their cost the harsh reality of the world they live inPalestinians have friends too


    Yeah, the arrogance of them to appoint anyone they want as part of their cabinet. Cheek of them.

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    118luke

    Ok we know you dont like trump, but is it really necessary to dig up … Ok we know you dont like trump, but is it really necessary to dig up every tiny bit of negative (true or lies) you can about it?You should work for BBC news



    This isn't anti trump as much as it's making a mockery of Palestine, millions of people living in apartheid, under the longest occupation in history.

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    J4GG4

    Yeah, the arrogance of them to appoint anyone they want as part of their … Yeah, the arrogance of them to appoint anyone they want as part of their cabinet. Cheek of them.



    I fear this goes one way J4GGA, war.

    Trump is a plastic president with no leadership qualities, hey just give the guy (idiot) a chance they thought. Experts (babysitters) in different fields have been hired to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid.

    In more positive news:

    'I'll make Brexit a great thing': Trump promises Britain a quick and fair … 'I'll make Brexit a great thing': Trump promises Britain a quick and fair trade deal with America but attacks Germany's 'catastrophic' immigration policy and wants Russia's nuclear arsenal reduced



    Far too many people judging the horse before the race.

    smiler594

    Sorry Aiden, felt sad for Palestinians today. I condemn their terrorist … Sorry Aiden, felt sad for Palestinians today. I condemn their terrorist attacks against Israel and Israel's state sponsored terrorism against them. But if you look at this simply - a US president decides to give the job to his 36 year old nephew, who's only "experience" was meeting Netanyahu when he was a kid. He's a puppet. A mere token gesture. A fully compliant tool to further Israel's agenda. Nothing more. It's a farce. A whitewash. There is not much to smile about when such **** is being taken on the world stage.



    You do realize that Trump isn't a politician ?. Are you totally against anyone having a career change?. If you're not, how do you try something new in life?. I think we need to give chances before calling anyone out as unqualified. I know some unqualified persons that do their job better than the fully qualified person.

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    118luke

    In more positive news: Far too many people judging the horse before the … In more positive news: Far too many people judging the horse before the race.



    A 36 year old with zero experience of global conflict resolution Luke. He also happens to be the son in law of the President. You couldn't make it up if you were writing an episode of the simpsons. It might as well be Bart Simpson instead of Jared Joker.

    kay1992

    Trump is a plastic president with no leadership qualities, hey just give … Trump is a plastic president with no leadership qualities, hey just give the guy (idiot) a chance they thought. Experts (babysitters) in different fields have been hired to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid.



    Rather Trump than May. She lost lots of respect points this month by announcing further NHS cuts, then following up with a 7 day GP system. How the hell she expect that to be funded? Spit and sticky tape!?
    I had hopes when she took over from Cameron, "it cant get any worse, surely" I thought. Unfortunately, she is on the same path that Cameron was on, living in fantasy land - taking all the money away and expecting everything to be fine.

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    J4GG4

    You do realize that Trump isn't a politician ?. Are you totally against … You do realize that Trump isn't a politician ?. Are you totally against anyone having a career change?. If you're not, how do you try something new in life?. I think we need to give chances before calling anyone out as unqualified. I know some unqualified persons that do their job better than the fully qualified person.



    Ok J4GG4, but at least Trump was elected. What's his son in law's nearest similar achievement on the world stage which gives him transferable skills from the business world to be an agent for world peace?

    smiler594

    A 36 year old with zero experience of global conflict resolution Luke. He … A 36 year old with zero experience of global conflict resolution Luke. He also happens to be the son in law of the President. You couldn't make it up if you were writing an episode of the simpsons. It might as well be Bart Simpson instead of Jared Joker.



    Again though, i imagine there would be very few people in the world who have any experience in that particular field of expertise. He will be just as qualified as 99.99% of anyone else. He may yet be very good at negotiation, you simply do not know.

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    118luke

    Again though, i imagine there would be very few people in the world who … Again though, i imagine there would be very few people in the world who have any experience in that particular field of expertise. He will be just as qualified as 99.99% of anyone else. He may yet be very good at negotiation, you simply do not know.



    can you name some of the "99.99%" ?

    smiler594

    Ok J4GG4, but at least Trump was elected. What's his son in law's nearest … Ok J4GG4, but at least Trump was elected. What's his son in law's nearest similar achievement on the world stage which gives him transferable skills from the business world to be an agent for world peace?



    Trump was elected by the people without qualifications. Kushner was elected by Trump without qualifications. Pretty similar.

    I hope that common sense plays a part?. Hopefully he has that? maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.

    I agree in such a role that someone should have some experience. But Prejudging someone doesn't prove anything, does it?.

    smiler594

    can you name some of the "99.99%" ?



    I'd have to name almost the entire US population oO
    No when i said that i mean there isn't just some "training course" you can go on to learn how to negotiate with hostile territories. Only a small handful of people have experience with doing that, and they cant go on doing that role forever.

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    understood luke, if this was a student project for a college somewhere, this guy might be suitable. Not in the real world as a real bonfide choice, without any experience to back him up except when he was a kid, Netanhyahu came to his house for dinner.
    This is a very biased, anti palestinian appointment, calculated to give Israel unfair advantage at the conference table.

    "Indeed, Kushner’s only other significant contact with a senior Israeli politician before last year appears to have been with the mayor of Jerusalem, Nir Barkat. Kushner does, however, appear to be familiar with wealthy rightwing US Jewish figures who back Israel." from same article in guardian above

    "Trump himself appears to have struggled in recent interviews to explain why he thinks Kushner is qualified for the job, besides the fact he likes him."




    Edited by: "smiler594" 17th Jan

    so much for DEMOCRACY


    sad days.

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    118luke

    I'd have to name almost the entire US population oONo when i said that i … I'd have to name almost the entire US population oONo when i said that i mean there isn't just some "training course" you can go on to learn how to negotiate with hostile territories. Only a small handful of people have experience with doing that, and they cant go on doing that role forever.



    Luke, exactly why it should be one of "Only a small handful of people" doing that job. He might as well have picked Bart Simpson for the job.

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    rasanh

    so much for DEMOCRACY sad days.



    well said

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    J4GG4

    Trump was elected by the people without qualifications. Kushner was … Trump was elected by the people without qualifications. Kushner was elected by Trump without qualifications. Pretty similar.I hope that common sense plays a part?. Hopefully he has that? maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.I agree in such a role that someone should have some experience. But Prejudging someone doesn't prove anything, does it?.



    Yes it proves an unfair bias and mockery of millions of people living in apartheid.

    smiler594

    I fear this goes one way J4GGA, war.


    do you really fear that, seems you arent that upset at rockets fired, suicide bombs and stabbings at the public in Israel almost every day?
    Take a break, not sure you are really having much impact on this peace process.

    J4GG4

    Trump was elected by the people without qualifications. Kushner was … Trump was elected by the people without qualifications. Kushner was elected by Trump without qualifications. Pretty similar.I hope that common sense plays a part?. Hopefully he has that? maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.I agree in such a role that someone should have some experience. But Prejudging someone doesn't prove anything, does it?.



    Ask yourself this if he presented his CV for application for the role, would he get it? You know he wouldn't even get called for interview so it's clear he is not qualified for the job, no one likes nepotism makes America like saudi arabia or them despots in some areas of Africa. Hypocrites hopefully the law stops it

    No surprise about Kushner..as for US anti-nepotism law that states a public official “may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment … any individual who is a relative of the public official”, remember Clinton and travel​gate?
    The US, like a lot of the EU countries, treat the law like a picknmix. It's only the UK who obey all the rules ALL of the time.

    118luke

    Ok we know you dont like trump, but is it really necessary to dig up … Ok we know you dont like trump, but is it really necessary to dig up every tiny bit of negative (true or lies) you can about it?You should work for BBC news



    Or sky news !

    trump was not elected by the people,a majority of the people voted for Clinton!!!!

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    davewave

    do you really fear that, seems you arent that upset at rockets fired, … do you really fear that, seems you arent that upset at rockets fired, suicide bombs and stabbings at the public in Israel almost every day?Take a break, not sure you are really having much impact on this peace process.



    Read above, I condemned terrorism on both sides

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    Error440

    Ask yourself this if he presented his CV for application for the role, … Ask yourself this if he presented his CV for application for the role, would he get it? You know he wouldn't even get called for interview so it's clear he is not qualified for the job, no one likes nepotism makes America like saudi arabia or them despots in some areas of Africa. Hypocrites hopefully the law stops it



    Well said

    bavis1

    trump was not elected by the people,a majority of the people voted for … trump was not elected by the people,a majority of the people voted for Clinton!!!!



    Shock, horror!

    You'd better point it out to them before Friday.

    bavis1

    trump was not elected by the people,a majority of the people voted for … trump was not elected by the people,a majority of the people voted for Clinton!!!!



    Only the same as our system

    smiler594

    Read above, I condemned terrorism on both sides


    Israel side has an army who operate lawfully, Hamas has terrorists willing to kill kids in their beds randomly, suicide bomb cafes, drive trucks into bus queues etc.

    Do you think IS is just another army, or do you think US and British armies are terrorists, if so then your comments make perfect sense.

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    davewave

    Israel side has an army who operate lawfully, Hamas has terrorists … Israel side has an army who operate lawfully, Hamas has terrorists willing to kill kids in their beds randomly, suicide bomb cafes, drive trucks into bus queues etc.Do you think IS is just another army, or do you think US and British armies are terrorists, if so then your comments make perfect sense.



    I condemn the Israeli apartheid of Palestine, its state sponsored terrorism against Palestine. I condemn IS, Palestinian, Hamas terrorism against anyone, including Israel. There is no violence that works or which can be sustained from which a lasting peace can be attained. It only fuels hatred from both sides. What's needed here is a negotiated peace, for both sides to disarm, then legally renounce violence and recognise agreed borders.

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    davewave

    Israel side has an army who operate lawfully, Hamas has terrorists … Israel side has an army who operate lawfully, Hamas has terrorists willing to kill kids in their beds randomly, suicide bomb cafes, drive trucks into bus queues etc.Do you think IS is just another army, or do you think US and British armies are terrorists, if so then your comments make perfect sense.



    Also, if the shoe was in the other foot with Palestine having an iron dome, a legal army, $38 Billion in aid and were it occupying Israel and creating apartheid for those living there....would you be calling Israeli suicide attacks against Palestine in that situation "terrorism"or in some way "justified"?

    You either renounce both or none. Otherwise it's bigotry of the highest order. Maybe you're better than that?

    smiler594

    I condemn the Israeli apartheid of Palestine, its state sponsored … I condemn the Israeli apartheid of Palestine, its state sponsored terrorism against Palestine. I condemn IS, Palestinian, Hamas terrorism against anyone, including Israel. There is no violence that works or which can be sustained from which a lasting peace can be attained. It only fuels hatred from both sides. What's needed here is a negotiated peace, for both sides to disarm, then legally renounce violence and recognise agreed borders.



    You cannot disarm whilst Hamas fire rockets and build terror tunnels.

    The state of Israel exists and Jews in Israel predate the Palestinian argument.

    In the Land of Israel, which was renamed Syria Palaestina after the Roman suppression and expulsion of the indigenous Jewish inhabitants in 135 CE, some Jewish communities remained on their lands and in their cities for hundreds of years. Even Arab writer Muqaddasi complained in 985 CE that “the Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem's population.”

    The Jews, the last people to hold sovereignty and independence in the land, were subsequently harassed and unequally treated by a series of Roman, Byzantine and Muslim conquerors, whether Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk or Ottoman.

    Still, the Jewish presence never disappeared.

    Jewish holy sites, like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel’s Tomb, were built over with mosques, and with the imposition of a new Islamic religious and cultural imperialism, Jews were given limited or no rights of worship.

    When many Jews started returning to their ancestral land in the late 19th and early 20th centuries after an extremely difficult dispersion, they never sought to disrupt or disturb those whose ancestors had conquered and occupied the territory while they were in their long exile.

    Unfortunately, today, in most people’s view of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians — a self-identity barely two generations old — the colonized have become the colonizers and the role of the native Jewish population turned upside down.

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    davewave

    You cannot disarm whilst Hamas fire rockets and build terror tunnels.The … You cannot disarm whilst Hamas fire rockets and build terror tunnels.The state of Israel exists and Jews in Israel predate the Palestinian argument.In the Land of Israel, which was renamed Syria Palaestina after the Roman suppression and expulsion of the indigenous Jewish inhabitants in 135 CE, some Jewish communities remained on their lands and in their cities for hundreds of years. Even Arab writer Muqaddasi complained in 985 CE that “the Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem's population.”The Jews, the last people to hold sovereignty and independence in the land, were subsequently harassed and unequally treated by a series of Roman, Byzantine and Muslim conquerors, whether Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk or Ottoman.Still, the Jewish presence never disappeared.Jewish holy sites, like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel’s Tomb, were built over with mosques, and with the imposition of a new Islamic religious and cultural imperialism, Jews were given limited or no rights of worship.When many Jews started returning to their ancestral land in the late 19th and early 20th centuries after an extremely difficult dispersion, they never sought to disrupt or disturb those whose ancestors had conquered and occupied the territory while they were in their long exile.Unfortunately, today, in most people’s view of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians — a self-identity barely two generations old — the colonized have become the colonizers and the role of the native Jewish population turned upside down.



    Dave, you have to forget about History and Hate, if you want Israelis and their neighbours to live in peace. You have to be pragmatic on both sides. See IRA when it gave up guns and legitimised under an amnesty. Same should apply here.

    Need to negotiate with all parties, even Hamas.

    smiler594

    Sorry Aiden, felt sad for Palestinians today. I condemn their terrorist … Sorry Aiden, felt sad for Palestinians today. I condemn their terrorist attacks against Israel and Israel's state sponsored terrorism against them. But if you look at this simply - a US president decides to give the job to his 36 year old nephew, who's only "experience" was meeting Netanyahu when he was a kid. He's a puppet. A mere token gesture. A fully compliant tool to further Israel's agenda. Nothing more. It's a farce. A whitewash. There is not much to smile about when such **** is being taken on the world stage.


    Hows he supposed to get experience if he's not given the chance to gain experience?. Have to start somewhere perhaps?.

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    Shaun, it has to be competitive. There's possibly 100 better "qualified" American candidates for that job than Trumps son in law.

    No one should be "cutting their teeth" with the destiny of two nations and millions of people at stake unless he is put their by a president in collusion with his pro Israeli cabinet, and highly biased against the rights of the Palestinians to start with.

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    Jared Joker is not Ghandi, Mandela, or even a Kissinger. His only relevant qualification is he is the son in law of the President. This is outrageous.

    If Trump had appointed someone who grew up having the PLO leader over for dinner. Israel would be jumping up and down threatening the US with war, as they tried with New Zealand.

    smiler594

    Shaun, it has to be competitive. There's possibly 100 better "qualified" … Shaun, it has to be competitive. There's possibly 100 better "qualified" American candidates for that job than Trumps son in law. No one should be "cutting their teeth" with the destiny of two nations and millions of people at stake unless he is put their by a president in collusion with his pro Israeli cabinet, and highly biased against the rights of the Palestinians to start with.


    We'll have to wait and see, We don't really know him personally, He might be a good negotiator and I'm sure there will be negotiators who are bias towards the other side. It's about coming to a peaceful conclusion etc..
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