Trump prepared to apologise for retweeting Britain First

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Found 26th JanEdited by:"Cr0m"
In an interview with ITV's Piers Morgan, Mr Trump said:

"If you are telling me they're horrible people, horrible, racist people, I would certainly apologise if you'd like me to do that".

"I know nothing about them, I don't want to be involved with people [like that]," Trump told Morgan.

Fair play to Trump, he's hardly the apologising type. If he's willing to disassociate himself from racist scum like this I think we should give him a break while he visits (his type are very susceptible to flattery). Realistically we need a visit to try and rescue anything from this Brexit fiasco.

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His apology is on the condition that someone would like him to do it, meaning they are just saying it to make someone happy. it's like saying "I broke your leg? I'm sorry you feel that way about it" they aren't sorry for doing something in the first place, it's just apologizing to make someone feel better, it doesn't mean anything.
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He should get the full state visit with all the pomp and ceremony. It will be a good opportunity for the Met police to get some overtime in, to keep the professionally offended away.
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DKLS23 m ago

He should get the full state visit with all the pomp and ceremony. It will …He should get the full state visit with all the pomp and ceremony. It will be a good opportunity for the Met police to get some overtime in, to keep the professionally offended away.


As long as we get a decent trade deal he can try on the crown jewels. Don't forget that means inflicting him on the poor Queen more though, he is boorish by any measure.
Condemning Britain first is a very low bar NY which to measure someone.

As for protests, he represents what a lot of very decent people despise. I would welcome their protests and look forward to people moaning about that.
Cr0m4 m ago

As long as we get a decent trade deal he can try on the crown jewels. …As long as we get a decent trade deal he can try on the crown jewels. Don't forget that means inflicting him on the poor Queen more though, he is boorish by any measure.


I doubt Trump will be as dumb as Obama.

youtu.be/7ZC…Gdw
but 150,000 people signed a petition from of a population of 65 million stating they don't want him to come. You know they'll cry if he comes, c'mon please spare a thought for the poor people who can't understand democracy.


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as a side note, had I voted in the US election, I would have voted for Hillary, but crying about Trump winning is just pointless.
His apology is on the condition that someone would like him to do it, meaning they are just saying it to make someone happy. it's like saying "I broke your leg? I'm sorry you feel that way about it" they aren't sorry for doing something in the first place, it's just apologizing to make someone feel better, it doesn't mean anything.
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Predikuesi5 m ago

I doubt Trump will be as dumb as Obama.https://youtu.be/7ZCsfyaOGdw


That's a bit knee-jerk. He made a mistake and breached protocol. Do you seriously think Trump is more intelligent than Obama
There is just one thing in the UK that USA traders and dealers want, that is of substantial profit size, it is the NHS.
splender26th Jan

There is just one thing in the UK that USA traders and dealers want, that …There is just one thing in the UK that USA traders and dealers want, that is of substantial profit size, it is the NHS.


Blimey, he's right.

Obviously there's agricultural and financial targets but the insurance industry will push for entry and freedom into the NHS and they'll pick it apart bit by bit.
splender19 m ago

There is just one thing in the UK that USA traders and dealers want, that …There is just one thing in the UK that USA traders and dealers want, that is of substantial profit size, it is the NHS.


'UK and USA traders and dealers' are you referring to Equity traders?

Surely it would be only, if at all, be of interest to specialised corporates such as private healthcare providers, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, if the NHS were to become more open to private healthcare provision?

Isn't Richard Branson involved in about £1bn of NHS contracts?

Just want to check - what this got to do with a state visit by Trump or Britain First?
davewave13 m ago

'UK and USA traders and dealers' are you referring to Equity traders? …'UK and USA traders and dealers' are you referring to Equity traders? Surely it would be only, if at all, be of interest to specialised corporates such as private healthcare providers, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, if the NHS were to become more open to private healthcare provision?Isn't Richard Branson involved in about £1bn of NHS contracts?Just want to check - what this got to do with a state visit by Trump or Britain First?



Traders and dealers = anyone with a stake in the business of trade and deals

What's this got to do with a state visit:-

A state visit is an opportunity to make trade talks and to make high level deals (maybe called framework deals and Memo of Understandings etc.) That's the job of the Trump entourage.
splender3 m ago

Traders and dealers = anyone with a stake in the business of trade and …Traders and dealers = anyone with a stake in the business of trade and deals What's this got to do with a state visit:-A state visit is an opportunity to make trade talks and to make high level deals (maybe called framework deals and Memo of Understandings etc.) That's the job of the Trump entourage.


OK, that starts to make sense. You believe that US has an interest in UK healthcare, if the British people and NICE can't respect the NHS then it actually deserves to be privatised, petitions and contracts for wildly expensive drugs to extend lives for 6 months in old age are crippling the NHS.
davewave37 m ago

OK, that starts to make sense. You believe that US has an interest in UK …OK, that starts to make sense. You believe that US has an interest in UK healthcare, if the British people and NICE can't respect the NHS then it actually deserves to be privatised, petitions and contracts for wildly expensive drugs to extend lives for 6 months in old age are crippling the NHS.



In a trade talk between UK and USA, there aren't many things from Britain that we could trade with USA that USA want.
I am open minded as to improvements and technological changes, of course, there will be best technologies, processes and management from Japan to USA, however, this is the gigantic however, the British elite and the best are typically out-classed by the American business executives in their USA environment with global reach in outsourcing.

[[ I think we really need to as British managers and executives start to care genuinely about the British consumers, instead of hiding mute to the public behind public relations experts and processes where few have total understanding or allowed to have total control, namely, get ourselves in proper order. Put chief engineers and chief production directors on the front-line of total quality control and of quality news to the public, instead of being in the shadow of PR directors and image experts. The £130m Russell Hume Ltd., management and executives do not inspire confidence, is a recent headline example. A serious fault on quality worthy of being totally shutdown for basic cleaniness and no one appeared to have cared and did things about it until inspectors turned up. ]]

Governance wise, for example, the Carillion plus government contracts turned out to be a toxic combination, then A.N.Other (USA) Corp + NHS Trust Board of Governors + CQC + UK politics as well as US government agencies + Tweets from Trump on contracts belly-ache could be a cocktail of governance confusion.
Edited by: "splender" 26th Jan
davewave52 m ago

but 150,000 people signed a petition from of a population of 65 million …but 150,000 people signed a petition from of a population of 65 million stating they don't want him to come. You know they'll cry if he comes, c'mon please spare a thought for the poor people who can't understand democracy.[Image] as a side note, had I voted in the US election, I would have voted for Hillary, but crying about Trump winning is just pointless.


Same as everyone crying over brexit.
davewave1 h, 12 m ago

but 150,000 people signed a petition from of a population of 65 million …but 150,000 people signed a petition from of a population of 65 million stating they don't want him to come. You know they'll cry if he comes, c'mon please spare a thought for the poor people who can't understand democracy.[Image] as a side note, had I voted in the US election, I would have voted for Hillary, but crying about Trump winning is just pointless.


That many? wow the power of the protesting classes never ceases to amaze me. Its like the morons who roam in packs on Twitter looking to be outraged that someone holds a different opinion to them.

Although I do find the protesters very useful in helping me form opinions, usually the opposite to what their are protesting about.
splender48 m ago

In a trade talk between UK and USA, there aren't many things from Britain …In a trade talk between UK and USA, there aren't many things from Britain that we could trade with USA that USA want. I am open minded as to improvements and technological changes, of course, there will be best technologies, processes and management from Japan to USA, however, this is the gigantic however, the British elite and the best are typically out-classed by the American business executives in their USA environment with global reach in outsourcing. [[ I think we really need to as British managers and executives start to care genuinely about the British consumers, instead of hiding mute to the public behind public relations experts and processes where few have total understanding or allowed to have total control, namely, get ourselves in proper order. Put chief engineers and chief production directors on the front-line of total quality control and of quality news to the public, instead of being in the shadow of PR directors and image experts. The £130m Russell Hume Ltd., management and executives do not inspire confidence, is a recent headline example. A serious fault on quality worthy of being totally shutdown for basic cleaniness and no one appeared to have cared and did things about it until inspectors turned up. ]]Governance wise, for example, the Carillion plus government contracts turned out to be a toxic combination, then A.N.Other (USA) Corp + NHS Trust Board of Governors + CQC + UK politics as well as US government agencies + Tweets from Trump on contracts belly-ache could be a cocktail of governance confusion.


Can you summarise?
I don’t really understand the outrage over Trump, he made his views perfectly clear before he was elected so it’s hardly a shocker that he agrees with/re-tweets anti Muslim views. Surprised Twitter haven’t shadow banned him anyway seeing as they’re actively silencing members who don’t conform to their “leftist agenda”

As for a US free trade deal, obviously it would be one sided and given the fragility of the current (uk) regime they wouldn’t dare compromise our food standards importing tainted US meat let alone allow big US Pharma companies/healthcare providers large scale access to the NHS after the Carillion mess.
Uilleam1733 m ago

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Hunt is bad at his job and clearly corrupt.
davewave1 h, 15 m ago

Can you summarise?



That's is less than a one-page summary that a minister gets for his/her briefing typically.
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However, as a condensed answer to your, "...petitions and contracts for wildly expensive drugs to extend lives for 6 months in old age are crippling the NHS", then this (extend lives) is for internal care quality policy decision and is not a subject matter for trade deals, until detailed pricing is done at micro levels for pricing of specific treatment to extend lives, post decision by the CQC and other agencies/commissions. The "devil", "angel" is in the details of deals, remember TTIP (is perhaps a summary that you are looking for)?!
Edited by: "splender" 26th Jan
United Kingdom and the US will always be great allies, the snowflake brigade seem to want us to fall out with the US when perhaps we need them the most.

Trump pretty much speaks what a lot of people are thinking, That's why they voted him President, You've got to respect there democracy.

Love or hate Trump he should be made to feel welcomed here, Just remember if it wasn't for the US stepping in we might have been under Hitlers rule, We owe them a lot.
splender28 m ago

That's is less than a one-page summary that a minister gets for his/her …That's is less than a one-page summary that a minister gets for his/her briefing typically.Edit:However, as a condensed answer to your, "...petitions and contracts for wildly expensive drugs to extend lives for 6 months in old age are crippling the NHS", then this (extend lives) is for internal care quality policy decision and is not a subject matter for trade deals, until detailed pricing is done at micro levels for pricing of specific treatment to extend lives, post decision by the CQC and other agencies/commissions. The "devil", "angel" is in the details of deals, remember TTIP (is perhaps a summary that you are looking for)?!


I'm sure that must make sense to you. Thanks.
.MUFC.10 m ago

United Kingdom and the US will always be great allies, the snowflake …United Kingdom and the US will always be great allies, the snowflake brigade seem to want us to fall out with the US when perhaps we need them the most.Trump pretty much speaks what a lot of people are thinking, That's why they voted him President, You've got to respect there democracy.Love or hate Trump he should be made to feel welcomed here, Just remember if it wasn't for the US stepping in we might have been under Hitlers rule, We owe them a lot.


Perhaps they'd prefer us to be friends with Sinn Fein, Hamas, Putin and Iran. Can't think who's helping to push their agenda.
davewave1 m ago

Perhaps they'd prefer us to be friends with Sinn Fein, Hamas, Putin and …Perhaps they'd prefer us to be friends with Sinn Fein, Hamas, Putin and Iran. Can't think who's helping to push their agenda.


Actually people didn't protest Obama did they? How confusing that must be when you can't just imply they're all leftist bedwetters. In fact many people in the centre of the political spectrum are disgusted by trump.
DKLS2 h, 5 m ago

That many? wow the power of the protesting classes never ceases to amaze …That many? wow the power of the protesting classes never ceases to amaze me. Its like the morons who roam in packs on Twitter looking to be outraged that someone holds a different opinion to them. Although I do find the protesters very useful in helping me form opinions, usually the opposite to what their are protesting about.


I really hope you aren't being critical of the right to demonstrate and protest against government policies/decisions.
That would make you somewhat undemocratic if true; only enough room for two DaveWave's round here.
Edited by: "Bestard" 26th Jan
.MUFC.15 m ago

United Kingdom and the US will always be great allies, the snowflake …United Kingdom and the US will always be great allies, the snowflake brigade seem to want us to fall out with the US when perhaps we need them the most.Trump pretty much speaks what a lot of people are thinking, That's why they voted him President, You've got to respect there democracy.Love or hate Trump he should be made to feel welcomed here, Just remember if it wasn't for the US stepping in we might have been under Hitlers rule, We owe them a lot.


I agree with what you say about Trump but you have to remember Hitler declared war on America first. Had he not done so the Yanks would have been more than happy just to take on the Jap's in the Pacific. The Americans would have been more than willing to sit back, bleed us whiter and watch us fall. In the end, they were fighting a war on three fronts, the third being us, the British which they indented to destroy as a world power. They're not our friends, there is no special relationship but as the saying goes, keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer......
Bestard4 m ago

I really hope you aren't being critical of the right to demonstrate and …I really hope you aren't being critical of the right to demonstrate and protest against government policies/decisions.That would make you somewhat undemocratic if true; only enough room for two DaveWave's round here.


I didn't say anyone shouldn't march...some people can't abide by democratic votes if they result in Trump and Brexit results, can they Destard?
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals10 m ago

America's a big country. They represent a lot of what is good about …America's a big country. They represent a lot of what is good about western democracies, but in trump they've got a leader who represents most of the bad.That's why people will protest and rightfully so. When you look at his stance on women's rights, on LGBT issues and on race relations in the USA, he's a throwback to a worse time.You may agree with what he says like a lot of backwards Americans do but he does not represent the majority of Americans or American voters.


Not for us to protest though is it?, He hasn't got to answer to us. However going forward we need a strong relationship with the US.
freakstyler18 m ago

I agree with what you say about Trump but you have to remember Hitler …I agree with what you say about Trump but you have to remember Hitler declared war on America first. Had he not done so the Yanks would have been more than happy just to take on the Jap's in the Pacific. The Americans would have been more than willing to sit back, bleed us whiter and watch us fall. In the end, they were fighting a war on three fronts, the third being us, the British which they indented to destroy as a world power. They're not our friends, there is no special relationship but as the saying goes, keep your friends close but keep your enemies even closer......


True, They were dragged into it, Fortunately it worked in our favour too. Since of course we've worked together in various different conflicts and projects maybe it benefits them perhaps more than us. Obviously the British Empire is pretty much non existent anymore which is probably a good thing.
Bestard19 m ago

I really hope you aren't being critical of the right to demonstrate and …I really hope you aren't being critical of the right to demonstrate and protest against government policies/decisions.That would make you somewhat undemocratic if true; only enough room for two DaveWave's round here.


No I am critical of people who protest, its a useful indicator of people to avoid, not their right to protest.
.MUFC.16 m ago

Not for us to protest though is it?, He hasn't got to answer to us. …Not for us to protest though is it?, He hasn't got to answer to us. However going forward we need a strong relationship with the US.


With the cultural impact they have many will think it right to protest him and what he stands for. You disagree and that's fine.
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Well, at least we can all agree publicly that dissociating himself from those Britain First nutcases was a good thing. Even if a couple of us are crossing our fingers behind our backs.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals3 h, 5 m ago

With the cultural impact they have many will think it right to protest him …With the cultural impact they have many will think it right to protest him and what he stands for. You disagree and that's fine.


You on any other sites HEAWD?, its seems we are not allowed to have a bun fight here, and I do enjoy a good bun fight.
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DKLS15 m ago

You on any other sites HEAWD?, its seems we are not allowed to have a bun …You on any other sites HEAWD?, its seems we are not allowed to have a bun fight here, and I do enjoy a good bun fight.


I recall him being keen on LinkedIn. I'm sure he'll be happy to share details of his Cambridge degree and glittering career with you.
Saturn35 m ago

I recall him being keen on LinkedIn. I'm sure he'll be happy to share …I recall him being keen on LinkedIn. I'm sure he'll be happy to share details of his Cambridge degree and glittering career with you.


I just like being reminded how much nicer he is than me (and everyone else), it gives me a warm cosy glow. Plus you never know I may learn something and change my position, am always open to new ideas.
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DKLS4 h, 9 m ago

No I am critical of people who protest, its a useful indicator of people …No I am critical of people who protest, its a useful indicator of people to avoid, not their right to protest.


Why on earth are you critical of people that protest? It's a cornerstone of our democracy.
What about the chartists, suffragettes, civil rights, stonewall?
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Cr0m18 m ago

Why on earth are you critical of people that protest? It's a cornerstone …Why on earth are you critical of people that protest? It's a cornerstone of our democracy.What about the chartists, suffragettes, civil rights, stonewall?



Students?


Democrats?
Felicitous8 h, 22 m ago

His apology is on the condition that someone would like him to do it, …His apology is on the condition that someone would like him to do it, meaning they are just saying it to make someone happy. it's like saying "I broke your leg? I'm sorry you feel that way about it" they aren't sorry for doing something in the first place, it's just apologizing to make someone feel better, it doesn't mean anything.


Well said.
Cr0m39 m ago

Why on earth are you critical of people that protest? It's a cornerstone …Why on earth are you critical of people that protest? It's a cornerstone of our democracy.What about the chartists, suffragettes, civil rights, stonewall?



Democracy is overrated. It’s merely a useful decision-making procedure that tends to produce reasonably just outcomes.
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Saturn32 m ago

Students? Democrats?


Sure, some are stupid or illegal. Doesn't take away from the good that some have done does it?
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DKLS14 m ago

Democracy is overrated. It’s merely a useful decision-making procedure t …Democracy is overrated. It’s merely a useful decision-making procedure that tends to produce reasonably just outcomes.


You're being vague and evasive.
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