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    Turkish bill to clear men of child sex assault if they marry their victims

    Absolutely immoral and crazy!

    A bill in Turkey that would overturn men’s convictions for child sex assault if they married their victim has provoked fury, with critics accusing the government of encouraging rape of minors with the proposals.

    The opposition, celebrities, and even an association whose deputy chairman is the daughter of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan expressed alarm over the move.

    But the government insisted the legislation was aimed at dealing with the widespread custom of child marriages and the criticism was a crude distortion of its aim.

    The measures were approved in an initial parliamentary reading on Thursday and will be voted on again in a second debate in the coming days.

    If passed, the law would allow the release from prison of men guilty of assaulting a minor if the act was committed without “force, threat, or any other restriction on consent” and if the aggressor “marries the victim”.

    theguardian.com/wor…ims

    71 Comments

    Seems normal for a backwards looking country, are we allowed to talk about Turkey? (Some people on here just want to talk about Philip Green.)

    I know a guy called Turkish Bill.

    Sickening and to think they would like to join the EU too.

    sick

    On another thread grumpy ronald said "Most Arab states are backward" - and - "They're light years behind the West but that's the way things are in Dubai. The answer is simple - don't go there." but when I asked him these questions - "What do you believe most of those Arab states have in common that causes them to be 'backward'?" and "So you don't advise us going there, what about all those who want to live in the UK and recreate their 'backward' society in little enclaves here? You for that or against?" all I got was silence from ronald and flippant remarks from 'Miles Davis fan'. I think they need to pay this place a visit and buy themselves some.

    Fred Smith

    On another thread grumpy ronald said "Most Arab states are backward" - … On another thread grumpy ronald said "Most Arab states are backward" - and - "They're light years behind the West but that's the way things are in Dubai. The answer is simple - don't go there." but when I asked him these questions - "What do you believe most of those Arab states have in common that causes them to be 'backward'?" and "So you don't advise us going there, what about all those who want to live in the UK and recreate their 'backward' society in little enclaves here? You for that or against?" all I got was silence from ronald and flippant remarks from 'Miles Davis fan'. I think they need to pay this place a visit and buy themselves some.


    Sand, camels and oil.... I told you

    Ahhh and this country wants to join the EU. Welcome to the heart of darkness.

    shauneco

    Sickening and to think they would like to join the EU too.



    ​they want to join and they will join if the EU is still going.

    saw the protests on TV this morning in Turkey,
    just think if we had a government like theirs,
    there would be no more rotherham, Burnley, Rochdale, type sex scandal because it wouldn't be illegal.

    Original Poster

    shadey12

    ​they want to join and they will join if the EU is still going.



    I am reading a book by a General in the American Army about Wars in the Future, Super Soldiers and Cyberspace Terrorism. He makes a good arguement for Turkey deciding not to join the EU but instead becoming more closely allied with both Russia and Iran in the future. With the crazy stuff going on in the world, anything is possible I suppose.

    Edited by: "Predikuesi" 19th Nov 2016

    Predikuesi

    I am reading a book by a General in the American Army about Wars in the … I am reading a book by a General in the American Army about Wars in the Future, Super Soldiers and Cyberspace Terrorism. He makes a good arguement for Turkey deciding not to join the EU but instead becoming more closely allied with both Russia and Iran in the future. With the crazy stuff going on in the world, anything is possible I suppose.



    ​a few years ago turkey was becoming more westernised, but now seems to be going the other way.

    What's happening in Turkey is awful and Erdogan has a similar appeal to Trump's populism. It's sad to see is type of politician thriving across the world.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    What's happening in Turkey is awful and Erdogan has a similar appeal to … What's happening in Turkey is awful and Erdogan has a similar appeal to Trump's populism. It's sad to see is type of politician thriving across the world.



    ​most probably people fighting back against the elite wanting to plough on with globalisation, regardless of the everyday classes not wanting massive changes for the benefit of the few,
    (people keep mentioning this to you)
    the problem being the few don't get it,
    they are too selfish and have surrounded themselves with like minded people,

    shadey12

    ​most probably people fighting back against the elite wanting to plough o … ​most probably people fighting back against the elite wanting to plough on with globalisation, regardless of the everyday classes not wanting massive changes for the benefit of the few, (people keep mentioning this to you)the problem being the few don't get it,they are too selfish and have surrounded themselves with like minded people,



    Possibly. Globalism benefits those with exceptional skills and has a tendency to leave the rest behind.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    What's happening in Turkey is awful and Erdogan has a similar appeal to … What's happening in Turkey is awful and Erdogan has a similar appeal to Trump's populism. It's sad to see is type of politician thriving across the world.



    And you still want freedom of movement with those sort of people :(.

    shauneco

    And you still want freedom of movement with those sort of people :(.


    Turkey? No I've never stated that. I know the point you're trying to make but you'll be incorrect. Let's just save each other the trouble and agree on that.

    Banned

    Despite that they're already a very backwards country this is shockingly disgusting and sickening. They definitely are not right in their heads.

    Turkey is a beautiful country with a fantastic history which presents itself in its architecture.

    It's such a shame that there are many there who still want to live in the past and be ignorant of people, all people, of living freely and they want to oppress and forbid equality and decent values.

    I've met many wonderful Turkish people who do not want to live in backward times, some are religious but practice love not hate. The Turkish people I've met, cherish children and are appalled at the notion of hurting a child physically or sexually.

    Turkey is going to end up destroying good relations with the Western world. Tourism will suffer if trade doesn't.

    The real issue though is not what disgusting things they believe in or practice in Turkey but for those that visit or come to live in the UK and bring their warped beliefs with them.

    Spasho

    Despite that they're already a very backwards country this is shockingly … Despite that they're already a very backwards country this is shockingly disgusting and sickening. They definitely are not right in their heads.


    the sad thing is that most Turks are liberal minded and don't favour a theocratic influenced government.

    Spasho

    Despite that they're already a very backwards country this is shockingly … Despite that they're already a very backwards country this is shockingly disgusting and sickening. They definitely are not right in their heads.


    Cultural allowances alongside a "misinterpreted" upbringing and also their inspirational figureheads maybe makes this their destiny whilst living and breathing ?

    hmmm what if the victim doesn't want to marry the paedo...bet she probably has no say in the matter anyway (_;)

    the more things change, the more they stay the same ~ Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr 1808-1890

    Original Poster

    Someone will always take the thread off topic (someone always does), so can we refrain from jibes and political point scoring? I don't think there is room in this subject for what's going on with any other nation's politics. It's not about Russia, America or Britain, but about Turkey and the poor children being raped and married off to perverts.
    Edited by: "Predikuesi" 19th Nov 2016

    DarkEnergy2012

    hmmm what if the victim doesn't want to marry the paedo...bet she … hmmm what if the victim doesn't want to marry the paedo...bet she probably has no say in the matter anyway (_;)the more things change, the more they stay the same ~ Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr 1808-1890



    ​i think you've hit the nail on the head,
    there will be no consent for either,

    Predikuesi

    Someone will always take the thread off topic (someone always does), so … Someone will always take the thread off topic (someone always does), so can we refrain from jibes and political point scoring? I don't think there is room in this subject for what's going on with any other nation's politics. It's not about Russia, America or Britain, but about Turkey and the poor children being raped and married off to perverts.



    It's a point about the social and political context that allows leaders like Erdogan to gain power.

    If this thread is simply to get people to say that paedophilia is bad then ok.

    what would you expect from a country pushing an Islamic agenda?

    when will the US be invading turkey to remove this disgusting dictator?

    oh that's right, they have no oil for the yanks to invade for.

    One of the things about us leaving the EU I dislike is the fact we cant Veto them.. barbaric countries need to evolve this need for religious leadership..

    haritori

    One of the things about us leaving the EU I dislike is the fact we cant … One of the things about us leaving the EU I dislike is the fact we cant Veto them.. barbaric countries need to evolve this need for religious leadership..



    ​if there is an EU left, its up to them who they let in.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    It's a point about the social and political context that allows leaders … It's a point about the social and political context that allows leaders like Erdogan to gain power.If this thread is simply to get people to say that paedophilia is bad then ok.


    Personally I look past the "spokesman" for the people and see the deep inner dirty mindset that is buried deep within the culture of the "misinterpreted"ones that think it is ok to rape and marry children
    Sharia ftw ?

    haritori

    One of the things about us leaving the EU I dislike is the fact we cant … One of the things about us leaving the EU I dislike is the fact we cant Veto them.. barbaric countries need to evolve this need for religious leadership..


    Not barbaric countries as Mark quite rightly pointed out earlier , Turkey is a beautiful country but unfortunately it has to host a barbaric culture mindset

    livinthedream

    Not barbaric countries as Mark quite rightly pointed out earlier , Turkey … Not barbaric countries as Mark quite rightly pointed out earlier , Turkey is a beautiful country but unfortunately it has to host a barbaric culture mindset



    Yes thats what I meant I went to Turkey as a kid, Bodrum and was very nice.
    Edited by: "haritori" 20th Nov 2016

    This is shocking, surely it can't be serious? So even if the man does want to get married to the child, do the parents not have a say? What kind ***** mum/Dad would let their child marry someone who has abused them? It's 2016 ffs, how can this even be considered as OK?

    Aiden1512

    This is shocking, surely it can't be serious? So even if the man does … This is shocking, surely it can't be serious? So even if the man does want to get married to the child, do the parents not have a say? What kind ***** mum/Dad would let their child marry someone who has abused them? It's 2016 ffs, how can this even be considered as OK?


    2016 in the UK is not quite the same as 2016 in Turkey or, come to that, quite a lot of other countries. We, quite rightly, view this as abhorrent but there are, presumably, a large number of Turks who don't see it the same way.

    RonChew

    2016 in the UK is not quite the same as 2016 in Turkey or, come to that, … 2016 in the UK is not quite the same as 2016 in Turkey or, come to that, quite a lot of other countries. We, quite rightly, view this as abhorrent but there are, presumably, a large number of Turks who don't see it the same way.



    Yes while I am in no way condoning this and agree its completely abhorrent to even think it.

    150 years ago in this country marriage at 10/11 would of been considered normal, I suppose its what society considers acceptable..

    Some states in the US still allow marriage as young as 12, and evens some south American states allow it from 9!!

    Crazy stuff.

    RonChew

    2016 in the UK is not quite the same as 2016 in Turkey or, come to that, … 2016 in the UK is not quite the same as 2016 in Turkey or, come to that, quite a lot of other countries. We, quite rightly, view this as abhorrent but there are, presumably, a large number of Turks who don't see it the same way.



    Agree but still, you'd expect people/countries to move forward not backwards. There are probably people here in the UK (not many of them I hope) that wouldn't see this as a problem, however the person in charge of the country should be driving it towards something better regardless of what the few ***** want.

    Aiden1512

    Agree but still, you'd expect people/countries to move forward not … Agree but still, you'd expect people/countries to move forward not backwards. There are probably people here in the UK (not many of them I hope) that wouldn't see this as a problem, however the person in charge of the country should be driving it towards something better regardless of what the few ***** want.



    ​they believe they are going forward,

    Aiden1512

    Agree but still, you'd expect people/countries to move forward not … Agree but still, you'd expect people/countries to move forward not backwards. There are probably people here in the UK (not many of them I hope) that wouldn't see this as a problem, however the person in charge of the country should be driving it towards something better regardless of what the few ***** want.



    What if the majority votes for someone who wants a more conservative future? Erdogan is that leader, a populist appealing to certain frustrations and this is something you can see in Russia, in France, in America and even here.

    shadey12

    ​they believe they are going forward,


    Perhaps they are compared with, say, 50, 75, 100 years ago? It's just that they're not moving forward in the same way as the UK.

    shadey12

    ​they believe they are going forward,



    That's quite sad really. Genuinely hope this doesn't go ahead for the sake of those poor children. Can't imagine anything worse.
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