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    UK Encryption Backdoor Law Passed Via Investigatory Powers Act

    "The latest news out of ... the UK encryption backdoor law passed via Investigatory Powers Act or the IPA Bill as it’s commonly known. And itself was passed through a kind of backdoor route, which avoided the scorn of the public."

    wilderssecurity.com/thr…49/

    Nice of them to keep it a secret because its nasty

    60 Comments

    The important stuff always is hidden.

    Original Poster

    Not even the new labour trick of releasing it on a bad news day so it gets swamped.

    sounds like bad news for bad people.

    davewave

    sounds like bad news for bad people.



    It is for you and your penguin fetish collections!

    Graham1979

    It is for you and your penguin fetish collections!



    ​completely at a loss to what you are talking about, penguins? eh?

    If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.

    ^^^ This

    davewave

    ​completely at a loss to what you are talking about, penguins? eh?


    I think that he is probably a bit worried about the BBC catching him downloading their programmes from P2P.

    shauneco

    If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.



    Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?

    shauneco

    If you've got nothing to hide, you should have nothing to worry about.


    Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.
    The spider cares not a jot whether her captives are good or bad, only how succulent they are.

    Do you imagine all information on you will not be gathered, assessed and somehow find it's way to 'interested' parties, and that you will know nothing of it other than to ponder why you were refused insurance/loan/mortgage etc.

    Trust me, Shaun, that information is worth more than gold to the mammonites; those hellbound money worshippers must be salivating right now.

    Edited by: "tryn2help" 1st Dec 2016

    moneysavingkitten

    Can I see your weener? You've got nothing to hide, right?



    Pm'd ;).

    No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.

    I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.

    It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.

    shauneco

    Pm'd ;).No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the … Pm'd ;).No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.



    But I thought you had nothing to hide

    Not everyone that encrypts things is a pedophile. I bet more of your thing are encrypted than you are aware of.

    Weener and backdoor in the same thread, how did it sink so low so fast?

    Oneday77

    Weener and backdoor in the same thread, how did it sink so low so fast?



    *bows*

    shauneco

    Pm'd ;).No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the … Pm'd ;).No seriously I wouldn't share pictures of my weener on the internet or via messages etc. and if I did there would be nothing to see lol.I doubt they will be routing through every private conversation, every picture etc.. I think they should be required to have reasonable reason to want to search through your private conversations and pictures.It could help solve crimes and protect children from pedophiles and if it saves one child then it is worth sacrificing my privacy.



    The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.

    You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.

    moneysavingkitten

    But I thought you had nothing to hide :(Not everyone that encrypts … But I thought you had nothing to hide :(Not everyone that encrypts things is a pedophile. I bet more of your thing are encrypted than you are aware of.



    Yes, I understand there are certain other things like banking that are encrypted and yes it creates a problem.

    I just think safety first over privacy, Software will always have flaws and there will always be hackers.



    shauneco

    Yes, I understand there are certain other things like banking that are … Yes, I understand there are certain other things like banking that are encrypted and yes it creates a problem. I just think safety first over privacy, Software will always have flaws and there will always be hackers.



    Hacking or exploiting doesn't have anything to do with giving away encryption keys or 'removal of electronic protection' as they put it. That actually the opposite of hacking. Please stay on topic.

    I would also argue that this is the opposite of providing safety and safety and privacy are not mutually exclusive.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it … The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.



    Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.

    Privacy in the home is a bit different.

    However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.

    I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.

    shauneco

    Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs … Why would I have cameras all over my house?, I really wouldn't want pervs spying on my children no.Privacy in the home is a bit different.However any messages, pictures or videos that are shared over the internet or via message are fair game.I think they should need valid reason to monitor you in such a way though, It would create some problems.



    But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?



    Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is different.

    I'm not suggesting any Tom, Dick or Harry should have access.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    But you just said safety over privacy. What is it you have to hide?


    I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply to other people. Not that he has anything to hide, of course.

    shauneco

    Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is … Over the internet and messages yes, not in your own home that is different.I'm not suggesting any Tom, Dick or Harry should have access.



    Well it would be a video stream that only those who are authorised to view this digital information could view.

    It's strange how reluctant you are to this if you've nothing to hide.

    Banned

    Oh they are looking?

    Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism extremists islam 3rd world war guns weapons immigration & royalty

    Thats a hit on me then

    YouDontWantToKnow

    Oh they are looking?Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism … Oh they are looking?Bomb assassination may trump isis terrorism extremists islam 3rd world war guns weapons immigration & royaltyThats a hit on me then


    Yep. They'll be serving an access notice on your ISP as I write this. Expect a knock on your door within the next half hour. Don't resist as they'll probably be armed.


    RonChew

    I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply … I think that what shaun meant was that safety over privacy should apply to other people. Not that he has anything to hide, of course.



    And what would I be hiding Ronald?

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Well it would be a video stream that only those who are authorised to … Well it would be a video stream that only those who are authorised to view this digital information could view.It's strange how reluctant you are to this if you've nothing to hide.



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    Banned

    RonChew

    Yep. They'll be serving an access notice on your ISP as I write this. … Yep. They'll be serving an access notice on your ISP as I write this. Expect a knock on your door within the next half hour. Don't resist as they'll probably be armed.



    Cant wait for the knock on my door. I will borrow next doors electric fence & shotguns

    shauneco

    And what would I be hiding Ronald?


    I've no idea, shaun, although your backtracking on your original stance would suggest that you think that there is something there. It's probably for the best to say no more on the subject as we wouldn't want you to incriminate yourself.

    we are usually shafted in the backdoor by this gov't

    You might as well not encrypt data if there is a backdoor. It's like locking your front door and hiding a spare key under the plant pot.

    Perhaps that is something which those who feel that if you have 'nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear' should consider.

    This government's naivety and obsession with ebbing away at people's right to privacy is dangerous.
    Edited by: "RossD89" 2nd Dec 2016

    RonChew

    I think that he is probably a bit worried about the BBC catching him … I think that he is probably a bit worried about the BBC catching him downloading their programmes from P2P.



    Yuck, would rather watch repeats of Noal's House Party for all eternity.

    tryn2help

    Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.The spider cares not a … Oh, Shauneco, I do wish you'd wake up, old chum.The spider cares not a jot whether her captives are good or bad, only how succulent they are.Do you imagine all information on you will not be gathered, assessed and somehow find it's way to 'interested' parties, and that you will know nothing of it other than to ponder why you were refused insurance/loan/mortgage etc. Trust me, Shaun, that information is worth more than gold to the mammonites; those hellbound money worshippers must be salivating right now.


    'hellbound money worshippers', who are they exactly, don't we all earn and save money?

    Banned

    davewave

    'hellbound money worshippers', who are they exactly, don't we all earn … 'hellbound money worshippers', who are they exactly, don't we all earn and save money?



    Dunno Dave? How are you going to celebrate Christmas?

    The list of government dept's that have access to this data is vast! The most worrying is that HMRC have 100% access and we all know how secure data is with that shower!

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it … The overwhelming majority of child abuse occurs in the family home. So it would actually be more beneficial (statistically) to place cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.You're ok with that right? If you've got nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about.



    If what you say is true (statistically) then I suppose you would also be happy with cameras in your home so you could be monitored 24/7 around your kids.

    I happen to work in government and one General rule I 've noticed is that it so happens the experts are always outside of the civil service.
    Backdoors in encryption just make everything weaker. All the people with "nothing to hide" generally won't be crowing when a 13 year old from the sticks has found the backdoor and has taken your bank details for a splurge at toysrus (or wherever they shop now, I stopped being cool a while ago).


    Edited by: "joey1352" 2nd Dec 2016

    Original Poster

    Weak UK software encryption puts UK software companys @ a disadvantage in the international market. Criminals will just use foreign software

    I give it a month before the MPAA request access.

    Besides the fact its more big brother watching our every move, leaving a backdoor in encryption will be exploited by hackers/scammers/general bad guys. Its not a good idea at all, encryption is used for good reason (and granted for bad reasons to), but typical of the government not thinking things through properly.

    123thisisme

    Besides the fact its more big brother watching our every move, leaving a … Besides the fact its more big brother watching our every move, leaving a backdoor in encryption will be exploited by hackers/scammers/general bad guys. Its not a good idea at all, encryption is used for good reason (and granted for bad reasons to), but typical of the government not thinking things through properly.



    There's a huge surprise then!

    Am I right in thinking that as the ISP is logging the info there's no way around this? Even using a vpn, won't the data go through the ISP before the vpn??
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