UK ISP's sending letters to 'file sharers' & Downloaders

90 replies
Found 24th Jul 2008
news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm
news.sky.com/sky…ENT

Here's a quote:

"Six of the UK's biggest net providers are believed to be backing a government plan to tackle music piracy online.

The plan commits the firms to working towards a "significant reduction" in the illegal sharing of music.

The first stage of the campaign will involve hundreds of thousands of letters being sent to net users suspected of illegally sharing music. "

The BPI has called for a "three-strikes" system which would see net connections of persistent pirates terminated if three warnings went ignored.

Here's the 6 ISP's:

BT
Virgin Media
Orange
Tiscali
BSkyB
Carphone Warehouse
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First it starts with music, then no doubt onto films. Whats the general opinion on file sharers and on ISP's looking and checking what you are downloading?

Its an argument that will never end the music and movie companies complain of piracy keeping products high with consumers complaining that if the product wasnt high there would be no piracy.

Personally I do not like the idea of a 3 strikes rule and more 'control' going out of our hands in terms of been monitored. However I think it is a problem that the industry will never solve.

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It is not the ISPs job to police the internet. It annoys me when these cut price ISPs do stuff like this because they are giving away far too much for much too little money and need to re coup to losses by shopping their customers in to the corporate-law machine

I heard that Virgin Media denied this.

The JFK;2593729

I heard that Virgin Media denied this.



Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:

Sloth/Mod

Robotochan;2593734

Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:



Not me. :lol:

Original Poster

Robotochan;2593734

Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:



Yeah it was on the news, some students got a letter accused on downloading Amy Winehouse songs, their quote was "Why would we do that, we dont like her type of music"

Personally I wouldnt have her music for free anyway.

super_leeds_86;2593743

Personally I wouldnt have her music for free anyway.



I hear that! :-D *high fives* o/

Soon it will be like a car license when applying for internet connection " do you have any current strikes against you in relation to file sharing?"

Seems a reasonable way to handle the issue especially compared to the heavy handed tactics used in the US.

John

Newsgroups and encrypted connections are the way forward, you are only downloading with newsgroups unlike bittorrent and limewire where you are also uploading.

Why, what do they do in the U.S?

harlzter;2593784

Newsgroups and encrypted connections are the way forward, you are only … Newsgroups and encrypted connections are the way forward, you are only downloading with newsgroups unlike bittorrent and limewire where you are also uploading.



Yup :thumbsup: Did you get the avatar from me or someone else? They all seem blurred :?

The JFK;2593785

Why, what do they do in the U.S?



Sue you for about $4000 per album.... :?

harlzter;2593784

Newsgroups and encrypted connections are the way forward, you are only … Newsgroups and encrypted connections are the way forward, you are only downloading with newsgroups unlike bittorrent and limewire where you are also uploading.



Rapidshare is pretty good too

Robotochan;2593790

Sue you for about $4000 per album.... :?



Yeah but then in the U.S you can counter sue them. You can sue them for producing bad music which resulted in a series of terrible migraines.:thumbsup:

They wont sue over here because as long as you have wireless you can claim someone else was using it.

torrentfreak.com/uk-…17/

The JFK;2593785

Why, what do they do in the U.S?



Sue you for stupid amounts of money.

John

Original Poster

This will send everyone back to the sunday morning car boots to get their dose of pirate goods.

Also why download it when you can stream it for free, bookmark the audio feeds and there you go.

So impossible to implement.

It always makes me laugh in the trailers where they bang on about pirate films having poor quality, whilst some do have cam jobs, the ones I view are dvd quality so maybe they should get a new supplier!

Titchimp;2593815

They wont sue over here because as long as you have wireless you can … They wont sue over here because as long as you have wireless you can claim someone else was using it. http://torrentfreak.com/uk-file-sharers-and-the-wireless-defense-080717/



That remains to be seen, as far as I'm aware it's all theory at the moment as no-one has properly tried it.

John

It's true enough folks, time is running out for us pirates. So, I recommend everyone buys themselves an external 500GB harddisk tomorrow, and spends the next few months collecting every discography of evrey artist they can think of. If anyone's got fans, they must have at least some good songs, so grab tem all, you might surprise yourself some day.

Remember people - £50 on an external harddrive now is a lot less than £20,000 for sharing a dozen files in three years time.

dxx;2593913

It's true enough folks, time is running out for us pirates. So, I … It's true enough folks, time is running out for us pirates. So, I recommend everyone buys themselves an external 500GB harddisk tomorrow, and spends the next few months collecting every discography of evrey artist they can think of. If anyone's got fans, they must have at least some good songs, so grab tem all, you might surprise yourself some day. Remember people - £50 on an external harddrive now is a lot less than £20,000 for sharing a dozen files in three years time.



how about my 2TB hard drive???


got 900ish GB of HD movies

They will always be 3 steps behind.

This changes nothing.

i personally belive its only torrent people/limwire who will be effected and as i mainly use rapidshare.com with encypted names eg file11350

they wont have any proof as the will have to break the DPA, and RIP bill to access the file making their crime greater than yours

Basically it's only P2P, as in the services that you connect to other computers and show off your lovely IP address. So Rapidshare people (although they keep a log) and Newsgroup (The Best...) will be safe.

jackt010;2594185

how about my 2TB hard drive???got 900ish GB of HD movies



My my - good work, sir!

Personally, if they wanted to stop film piracy the next thing should be a solid state film format. Dont know what to say about music really. But people copy their discs anyway, filesharing if left alone will fizzle out. I cant stand poor quality music. Main reason why I dont download. I dont agree fining the little people, at the end of the day, most people dont know they are doing it.

Sloth/Mod

aircanman;2594486

I dont agree fining the little people, at the end of the day, most people … I dont agree fining the little people, at the end of the day, most people dont know they are doing it.



:thinking: Damn sleep downloading. :lol:

Syzable;2594515

:thinking: Damn sleep downloading. :lol:



lol, I mean uploading lol!

When will they learn, if they charged a fair price and produced decent music instead of the same old overpriced **** again and again people might actually buy it.

Oh and a little known fact they don't want people to know, overall music sales are up.....Digital download sales (the legal type) have grown by more than the drop in CD sales.......but then if everyone knew that they couldn't beat us with the "priacy is hurting CD sales" stick. :whistling:

Robotochan;2593734

Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:



Oh really? Then I don't have to worry then.

Don't people usually get charged for 'sharing' (i.e. uploading) rather than downloading?

Robotochan;2594297

Basically it's only P2P, as in the services that you connect to other … Basically it's only P2P, as in the services that you connect to other computers and show off your lovely IP address. So Rapidshare people (although they keep a log) and Newsgroup (The Best...) will be safe.



whats the URL to newsgroup? I googled it but wasn't sure which link it was. I'm on the computer at work so don't wanna click on any dodgy websites....

Banned

Robotochan;2593734

Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:


Cool! I'm ok then :thumbsup:

Original Poster

Jelly;2594977

Don't people usually get charged for 'sharing' (i.e. uploading) rather … Don't people usually get charged for 'sharing' (i.e. uploading) rather than downloading?



The uploaders get it worst but depends how much your downloading. This will generally target anyone using torrents, limewire etc.

theregister.co.uk/200…rs/

news.sky.com/sky…ENT


Here's the 6 ISP's:

BT
Virgin Media
Orange
Tiscali
BSkyB
Carphone Warehouse

Could this be a chance to leave the an ISP, I presume they will be changing their terms and conditions to suit what the BPI want?

Robotochan;2593734

Virgin Media customers have already received their letters :whistling:



i didnt receive a letter :? maybe as i dont use limewire anymore as i was fed up with bad downloads

cpisthedbb;2595072

whats the URL to newsgroup? I googled it but wasn't sure which link it … whats the URL to newsgroup? I googled it but wasn't sure which link it was. I'm on the computer at work so don't wanna click on any dodgy websites....



Newsgroups are a different type of downloading altogether. You download a file from a site and your program downloads the files from a newsgroup server. It costs but it's worth having the security of encryption and servers that don't keep logs :thumbsup:

Banned

ilovepink;2595188

i didnt receive a letter :? maybe as i dont use limewire anymore as i was … i didnt receive a letter :? maybe as i dont use limewire anymore as i was fed up with bad downloads


VM only sent out a few hundred letters so 99% of customers didnt get them.

Load of old sphericals.

So technically the ISPs are supporting terrorism?

According to the old adverts -

Buying pirate copies of films and music supports organised crime such as drugs because the people behind it are running the same operations.

Buying drugs supports terrorism because its the cash cow in other countries that are terrorist states.

Banning people from downloading films and music will mean they will buy them.

So whats it going to be?

Banned

Cackles;2595355

So technically the ISPs are supporting terrorism?According to the old … So technically the ISPs are supporting terrorism?According to the old adverts -Buying pirate copies of films and music supports organised crime such as drugs because the people behind it are running the same operations. Buying drugs supports terrorism because its the cash cow in other countries that are terrorist states.Banning people from downloading films and music will mean they will buy them.So whats it going to be?


Good point! :thumbsup:

The new adverts say we're all Knockoff Nigels? Somehow that doesn't make me want to buy my entertainment...
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