UK lags behind most of Europe in child wellbeing league

Found 21st Apr 2009
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2 Sweden

3 Norway

4 Iceland

5 Finland

6 Denmark

7 Slovenia

8 Germany

9 Ireland

10 Luxembourg

11 Austria

12 Cyprus

13 Spain

14 Belgium

15 France

16 Czech Republic

17 Slovakia

18 Estonia

19 Italy

20 Poland

21 Portugal

22 Hungary

23 Greece

24 United Kingdom

25 Romania

26 Bulgaria

27 Latvia

28 Lithuania

29 Malta

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pffft, spoilt ******s

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Thats because the children who need help arent getting it. The governement are feeding benefits into families with no income etc and are literally feeding parents drink and drug habits, none of it gets to the child.
These children have no ambition, having been brought into a benefit dependent society who are paid for doing nothing.
Something needs to be done, thats for sure, but it will take a whole overhaul of the system to get anything sorted.

Many of these countries have far better rates for paid paternity and maternity leave also which helps keeps parents in work long term and greater job flexibility which helps families function well and stay out of the cycle of deprivation.

Probably because we have the best paying benefits system,It means that not working or getting an education is an option for kids here,When you see kids in africa that work to pay for their education and then here where it is free they dont want to know,

at least british kids won't grow up to be soft euro-scum.

and Ireland is at 9. so I know for a fact that their research is way, way, out

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we are supporting most of the children in that list here......nobody left in most of them countries

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H_K;4991737

Thats because the children who need help arent getting it. The … Thats because the children who need help arent getting it. The governement are feeding benefits into families with no income etc and are literally feeding parents drink and drug habits, none of it gets to the child.These children have no ambition, having been brought into a benefit dependent society who are paid for doing nothing.Something needs to be done, thats for sure, but it will take a whole overhaul of the system to get anything sorted.



I agree with the lack of ambition but from a different angle. The gap between rich and poor has grown and social mobility decreased. We have to address why people feel hopeless and happy to survive on benefits.

tonyg1962;4991756

Probably because we have the best paying benefits system,It means that … Probably because we have the best paying benefits system,It means that not working or getting an education is an option for kids here,When you see kids in africa that work to pay for their education and then here where it is free they dont want to know,



Maybe we need to address why people are unwilling to work.

casparwhite;4991780

we are supporting most of the children in that list here......nobody left … we are supporting most of the children in that list here......nobody left in most of them countries



This is just right-wing ignorance.

Austria at 11? What a load of Fritzle!

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And look who's at one - a sexually liberated nation that has legalised marijuana use in some cities and is relatively secular.

Original Poster

Here is an estimate of the percentage of homes suffering child poverty in each area.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm

Estimates range from 17 to 81%

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ibiza;4992318

Here is an estimate of the percentage of homes suffering child poverty in … Here is an estimate of the percentage of homes suffering child poverty in each area.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644155.stmEstimates range from 17 to 81%



That's pretty shocking - no wonder kids are hopeless.

Original Poster

If you do not know the name of your constituency - you can check it here with your postcode.

theyworkforyou.com/mp/

tonyg1962;4991756

Probably because we have the best paying benefits system,It means that … Probably because we have the best paying benefits system,It means that not working or getting an education is an option for kids here,When you see kids in africa that work to pay for their education and then here where it is free they dont want to know,



in africa, a little education can get you a long way and out of poverty, here it is much tougher , you need education, certificates, be well presented, know what to say in interviews etc to get any sort of decent job.

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FilthAndFurry;4992025

I agree with the lack of ambition but from a different angle. The gap … I agree with the lack of ambition but from a different angle. The gap between rich and poor has grown and social mobility decreased. We have to address why people feel hopeless and happy to survive on benefits. Maybe we need to address why people are unwilling to work.This is just right-wing ignorance.



wrong! mr serious

FilthAndFurry;4992094

And look who's at one - a sexually liberated nation that has legalised … And look who's at one - a sexually liberated nation that has legalised marijuana use in some cities and is relatively secular.



also wrong marijuana has never been "legal" in the said country:whistling:

blackpeppa;4992355

in africa, a little education can get you a long way and out of poverty, … in africa, a little education can get you a long way and out of poverty, here it is much tougher , you need education, certificates, be well presented, know what to say in interviews etc to get any sort of decent job.



Yes but someone can get off a bus from Poland and be working the next day,

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tonyg1962;4992375

Yes but someone can get off a bus from Poland and be working the next day,



Because they get paid a terrible wage and can live in squalid conditions. It's a bit different if you've got kids.

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casparwhite;4992371

wrong! mr serious



It's hardly left-wing ignorance.

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FilthAndFurry;4992505

It's hardly left-wing ignorance.



getting colder......

take it youve been out researchin hollands marijuana laws tho

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casparwhite;4992518

getting colder......take it youve been out researchin hollands marijuana … getting colder......take it youve been out researchin hollands marijuana laws tho



Let's just leave it as ignorance, much like my view on marijuana laws was. Apparently illegal, but not heavily enforced. Learn something new every day.

Original Poster

Its worth mentioning with over one in three marriages failing - that many cannot work - as they are left as single parents stuck looking after children as childcare costs are too high.

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FilthAndFurry;4992559

Let's just leave it as ignorance, much like my view on marijuana laws … Let's just leave it as ignorance, much like my view on marijuana laws was. Apparently illegal, but not heavily enforced. Learn something new every day.



whatever makes you happy ...... ignorance is bliss :thumbsup::roll:

ibiza;4992595

Its worth mentioning with over one in three marriages failing - that many … Its worth mentioning with over one in three marriages failing - that many cannot work - as they are left as single parents stuck looking after children as childcare costs are too high.



tax credits pay up to 80% off childcare costs :thumbsup:

ibiza;4992595

Its worth mentioning with over one in three marriages failing - that many … Its worth mentioning with over one in three marriages failing - that many cannot work - as they are left as single parents stuck looking after children as childcare costs are too high.



well as a working parent, one of the best things you can do for your child is to ensure they have good care from well-educated professional caregivers, and they deserve paying for their work too x

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FilthAndFurry;4992443

Because they get paid a terrible wage and can live in squalid conditions. … Because they get paid a terrible wage and can live in squalid conditions. It's a bit different if you've got kids.



also wrong, wow you are on form today!!


where do you get your non-information from?

loupomm;4992611

tax credits pay up to 80% off childcare costs :thumbsup:



yes, just relates to this country of course, and its means tested too

also ive been on income support and obviously not every circumstance is the same but although i wasnt rolling in money, my children were not living in poverty, i think a persons ability to put their finances to use in the best possible way,and live within their means goes a long way

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casparwhite;4992627

also wrong, wow you are on form today!!where do you get your … also wrong, wow you are on form today!!where do you get your non-information from?



Experience of meeting some of these people and social workers who work in the community.

loupomm;4992657

also ive been on income support and obviously every circumstance is the … also ive been on income support and obviously every circumstance is the same but although i wasnt rolling in money, my children were not living in poverty, i think a persons ability to put their finances to use in the best possible way goes a long way



Very true...

being self employed is much like this...

been times when i've had to sell jewellery to buy food when the kids were small

remember one year we had just a fiver to buy our daughter a birthday pressie...

think we've lived in poverty at times but many people would say that with both of us working, a home over our heads, food in our tummies and all the bills paid we were fine.

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Here's hoping there will be something tomorrow to address this entire issue.

If you want to buy a house (or anything else that requires long-term payments) in this country, you whole life is scrutinised and you have to prove you can afford to pay. If you want children, just pop em out take the rest of you life off, and let hard working people pay for your laziness. We cant manage this country and its resources with the amount of people now, why do we allow more people in and encourage over population and make other people pay?
The way to stop child poverty in this country is to stop encouraging a free ride.

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dr_aj;4995975

If you want to buy a house (or anything else that requires long-term … If you want to buy a house (or anything else that requires long-term payments) in this country, you whole life is scrutinised and you have to prove you can afford to pay. If you want children, just pop em out take the rest of you life off, and let hard working people pay for your laziness. We cant manage this country and its resources with the amount of people now, why do we allow more people in and encourage over population and make other people pay?The way to stop child poverty in this country is to stop encouraging a free ride.



I don't know if there has been enough scrutiny on whether one can repay their mortgage in this country, or at least a case of encouraging people to stretch way beyond their means so I don't agree with your first point.

Secondly, we have to address why people do take the 'free ride'. Why do they feel so ostracised from society that they don't have any ambition to improve their situation? How did we get to the stage where having a kid is seen as the highest attainment possible for some people?

Removing benefits or penalising people won't change that.

FilthAndFurry;4996069

I don't know if there has been enough scrutiny on whether one can repay … I don't know if there has been enough scrutiny on whether one can repay their mortgage in this country, or at least a case of encouraging people to stretch way beyond their means so I don't agree with your first point.Secondly, we have to address why people do take the 'free ride'. Why do they feel so ostracised from society that they don't have any ambition to improve their situation? How did we get to the stage where having a kid is seen as the highest attainment possible for some people?Removing benefits or penalising people won't change that.

My first point was really an example of scrutiny, but, its right that people should prove they can pay for undertaking responsibilities.
You say of my second and main point, is we have to address why people do take the free ride. We don't. We only have to stop the free ride.
I realise there would be problems without child benefit. If parents cant afford the payments what happens to the child? But something needs to be done. Why are we paying for other peoples expenses.

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dr_aj;4996569

My first point was really an example of scrutiny, but, its right that … My first point was really an example of scrutiny, but, its right that people should prove they can pay for undertaking responsibilities.You say of my second and main point, is we have to address why people do take the free ride. We don't. We only have to stop the free ride. I realise there would be problems without child benefit. If parents cant afford the payments what happens to the child? But something needs to be done. Why are we paying for other peoples expenses.



There are lots of things that need doing in our country, to do the most would mean the lazy fat gits that sit behind desks hading out the free dosh actually doing something, so before you go slating off those that do what they do ecause there isnt anything better that fits in with their family have a think about all those sat in offices taking the goverments cash for doing nothing, except seen to be doing things, being a good parent isnt an easy ride, being a bad one maybe, but i wouldnt know about that, where should the goverment start? On making sure two parents are repsonsible for a child, in all aspects, opening up jobs that are family friendly to those that need them, or shall we just remove all benefits and let people get on with it, oh but what would happen to the thousands emplyed to dish out the free money?

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I think it would be a much fairer system if people were means tested and had to sit an I.Q. test (with a 140 cut off) before they were allowed to breed.

I also think the concept of "renewal" for those who have reached the age of 30 and haven't really contributed anything with their lives would be a good idea.

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keeyop;4996944

I think it would be a much fairer system if people were means tested and … I think it would be a much fairer system if people were means tested and had to sit an I.Q. test (with a 140 cut off) before they were allowed to breed.I also think the concept of "renewal" for those who have reached the age of 30 and haven't really contributed anything with their lives would be a good idea.



Someone's got to figure out a way to use human brianwaves to produce electricity soon too.

keeyop;4996944

I think it would be a much fairer system if people were means tested and … I think it would be a much fairer system if people were means tested and had to sit an I.Q. test (with a 140 cut off) before they were allowed to breed.I also think the concept of "renewal" for those who have reached the age of 30 and haven't really contributed anything with their lives would be a good idea.



allowed to breed? how do you suggest they enforce this to the whole population lol

loupomm;5001157

allowed to breed? how do you suggest they enforce this to the whole … allowed to breed? how do you suggest they enforce this to the whole population lol




well maybe it would just be easier to sterilise anybody who doesn't pass their GCSE's, that way you could do it in the schools without too much of a fuss.
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