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    'Universal Basic Income will be necessary' - Elon Musk

    So many jobs will be lost so quickly, Musk says, that governments will have to introduce a "universal basic income," or an income for the unemployed. "I don't think we're going to have a choice," he says. "I think it's going to be necessary. There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better."

    This will result in a proliferation of cheap, accessible goods, but it could also have psychological consequences. "I think universal basic income will be necessary, but the much harder challenge is: How will people then have meaning?" he says. "A lot of people derive meaning from their employment. If you're not needed, what is the meaning? Do you feel useless? That is a much harder problem to deal with. How do we ensure the future is a future that we want, that we still like?"

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    Original Poster

    europe.newsweek.com/elo…=eu

    Musk says that the disruption of car-based transportation will take place over the next 20 years, and that within 10 years it will be "unusual" for anything other than driverless cars to be manufactured. Because, as Musk says, "the single largest employer of people is driving in various forms," a lot of people are going to be out of jobs very soon. "Twenty years is a short period of time to have something like 12-15 percent of the workforce be unemployed."

    As was discovered here when there was an epidemic of 'Chronic back pain' (before the clampdown) 10+ years ago, when someone is long term unemployed without seeking work, it causes more problems than just financial.

    You get entire families that have never worked and thus, have never had to properly socialize and learn to work with other adults.

    Long term unemployed have a societal cost, not just a financial cost. It's the same reason children are forced to receive an education, even if they don't plan to have a career that will require them to draw upon that education.

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    abigsmurf

    As was discovered here when there was an epidemic of 'Chronic back pain' … As was discovered here when there was an epidemic of 'Chronic back pain' (before the clampdown) 10+ years ago, when someone is long term unemployed without seeking work, it causes more problems than just financial.You get entire families that have never worked and thus, have never had to properly socialize and learn to work with other adults.Long term unemployed have a societal cost, not just a financial cost. It's the same reason children are forced to receive an education, even if they don't plan to have a career that will require them to draw upon that education.



    It would require a massive restructuring of every aspect of life.

    We're going to see more changes in the workplace, more jobs eradicated due to automation and more job losses over the next decade than we've probably ever seen before.

    Didn't the film elysium slightly touch up on this a world of poor people queuing up for jobs while robots did most of the work I certainly got from that film that the future may well be like that. Plenty of drones and robots policing a very poor population while the richest survive. Not too far away from that already tbh.

    perhaps more people will create multiple online imaginary characters and use that to fulfill the dissatisfaction they will ultimately feel with their own meaningless existence.

    academic sources on this topic are found : UN,EU, universities..and so on, such as unesco.org/new…es/

    shadey12

    perhaps more people will create multiple online imaginary characters and … perhaps more people will create multiple online imaginary characters and use that to fulfill the dissatisfaction they will ultimately feel with their own meaningless existence.



    ​I was just about to post a very similar response.
    p.s. I'm not a multi of yourself!

    so what will it be hard too set it won't it.

    Plain English speak of, ""One of the most troubling questions is artificial intelligence," Musk said " --> One of the most troubling questions is what will corporate businesmen do (with cheaper and better artificial intelligence and reject humans."

    jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real person...
    police
    firemen
    artists
    musicians
    funeral directors
    hairdressers
    dentists
    chefs
    soldiers

    jobs which should be defunct...

    union bosses
    train drivers
    trolls

    Original Poster

    davewave

    jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real … jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real person...policefiremenartistsmusiciansfuneral directorshairdressersdentistschefssoldiers[u]



    Short-order cooks could absolutely disappear, and places like McDonalds have already introduced ordering systems into restaurants.

    The rest you have a point about over the medium-term.

    But how many jobs could disappear?

    Manufacturing jobs in every industry
    Driving-related (delivery drivers, taxi drivers, long-distance hauliers)
    Administration staff
    Supermarket checkout staff


    That's millions of jobs and it's an incomplete list.

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    thewongwing101

    The Finns have set their trial scheme at £110 a … The Finns have set their trial scheme at £110 a weekhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed



    Not a lot, but if you think about jobs in supermarkets going, the food being delivered by automated trucks and shelves being replenished autonomously then you could cut costs over the long-term of groceries.

    davewave

    jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real … jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real person...policefiremenartistsmusiciansfuneral directorshairdressersdentistschefssoldiersjobs which should be defunct...union bossestrain driverstrolls



    think the only one that will need people is the last one all of the others could either be taken over by a robot or in the case of dentists, technology replace the need for the actual job. Long way off of course.

    when I started in senior school in 1981 our teachers told us we would be the generation that would see 3 or 4 day weeks, full automation, robots taking all of the jobs. The massive change to robotics in the 80s was the starting point but every big company is now looking into using robotics in a way never been seen before, even those that you wouldn't expect. I agree with Musk as eventually everyone will need to be paid regardless of them working or not because there will be much less need for actual people to do the jobs and without the spending power there will be no one to buy the products and services.

    just tell me where i have to relocate to in order to receive free money?
    https://untamesaluki.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/copyof-drunkdog-lake021.jpg

    DarkEnergy2012

    just tell me where i have to relocate to in order to receive free money?



    ​Have you been stalking me? oO

    I've given this topic a lot of consideration over the last few years and feel I may be able to offer some insight. However, since my last post above which davewave kindly dug up the link to, I don't really feel like HUKD is the place to facilitate a reasonable and interesting discussion any more.

    It's more a vipers nest of trolls and mutlis with agendas, trying to one up each other.

    No one actually seems interested in the responses they get. It's not a method of exchanging ideas or learning from others opinions and experiences. They ask questions just as an opportunity to state them own views repeatedly, which they have no flexibility in at all.

    As such, I cannot reconcile with myself what the purpose of posting any of my ideas would be.

    So I guess you are all going to have to miss out and have to make do with this comment instead. You will all be deeply gutted at such a profound loss I am sure.

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    moneysavingkitten

    I've given this topic a lot of consideration over the last few years and … I've given this topic a lot of consideration over the last few years and feel I may be able to offer some insight. However, since my last post above which davewave kindly dug up the link to, I don't really feel like HUKD is the place to facilitate a reasonable and interesting discussion any more.It's more a vipers nest of trolls and mutlis with agendas, trying to one up each other. No one actually seems interested in the responses they get. It's not a method of exchanging ideas or learning from others opinions and experiences. They ask questions just as an opportunity to state them own views repeatedly, which they have no flexibility in at all.As such, I cannot reconcile with myself what the purpose of posting any of my ideas would be. So I guess you are all going to have to miss out and have to make do with this comment instead. You will all be deeply gutted at such a profound loss I am sure.



    Ha, I see that you had to deal with Dave saying it sounded pretty 'communist' and that was over a year ago.

    Interested that you could see the need for it in the future and were trying to explain it to people who would almost certainly be unemployable as automation crept in. Would've been interesting to see your view.

    davewave

    jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real … jobs you can never get rid of because it needs a real person...policefiremenartistsmusiciansfuneral directorshairdressersdentistschefssoldierstrain driversjobs which should be defunct...union bossestrolls



    Don't worry dave, we all make simple typos

    moneysavingkitten

    I've given this topic a lot of consideration over the last few years and … I've given this topic a lot of consideration over the last few years and feel I may be able to offer some insight. However, since my last post above which davewave kindly dug up the link to, I don't really feel like HUKD is the place to facilitate a reasonable and interesting discussion any more.It's more a vipers nest of trolls and mutlis with agendas, trying to one up each other. No one actually seems interested in the responses they get. It's not a method of exchanging ideas or learning from others opinions and experiences. They ask questions just as an opportunity to state them own views repeatedly, which they have no flexibility in at all.As such, I cannot reconcile with myself what the purpose of posting any of my ideas would be. So I guess you are all going to have to miss out and have to make do with this comment instead. You will all be deeply gutted at such a profound loss I am sure.


    Spill it kitten, I'm interested, unless I fall into the mean category, which I guess I do a little
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