Virus Face masks UK

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Posted 21st Mar
Would some kind soul who is knowledgeable in sourcing Kn95 virus Face masks in the UK or similar.. Post where we can buy them from a UK seller.
I live in N.Ireland and none are selling the masks.
Twice already I've been fleeced on ebay with alleged UK sellers, selling masks.. Both were really in Hong Kong, nothing arrives from these sellers and I have to wait weeks to claim back my money..
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Seriously? You’re at “serious risk” but still want to go out, the mind boggles.
jaketheplumber21/03/2020 19:36

I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on …I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on the front line. We've been told from the beginning that they aren't very effective, but I think that was only to stop stocks being exhausted. If they aren't effective why do hospital workers use them?


It's probably a very different situation for frontline hospital staff. They are going to be in extremely close proximity to people with Coronavirus for hours on end at a time, and a very real risk that an infected person could cough, sneeze, or splutter right in to their face as they lean over them. But for the average person popping in to a supermarket or out walking their dog their isn't that same risk, that problem is more for us touching our faces after coming in to contact with a contaminated surface for example.
tregs21/03/2020 21:46

Many supermarkets do this."Scan & GoCheckout faster. There’s no need to u …Many supermarkets do this."Scan & GoCheckout faster. There’s no need to unpack your trolley and with dedicated card checkouts – you only need to pay and you’re done.Pack as you go. With Scan & Go you can pack your items as you shop, meaning there is no packing palaver at the checkout.Tot up as you shop. Scan & Go makes keeping track of spending simple. The handset and mobile app* display a running total as you shop, so there are no surprises at the checkoutBy app or by zap. You don’t have to be a techno wiz to use Scan & Go. Our easy-to-use handset and mobile app* let you scan in an instant and tap to delete – simple."


We do this in Sainsburys. Scan the item and straight in the bag. No messing.


tregs21/03/2020 23:27

How is that proof they are legit?I am fine and so are my family, we have …How is that proof they are legit?I am fine and so are my family, we have not used any masks.If we had used a Mickey Mouse mask would that prove they are legit in preventing the virus as we have not contracted it?



Personally, I wear one of these with some safety goggles on...


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I don’t have the virus either so can confirm it is effective. Whip also helps keep people 2 metres away too.
I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on the front line. We've been told from the beginning that they aren't very effective, but I think that was only to stop stocks being exhausted. If they aren't effective why do hospital workers use them?
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Forgot to add I'm looking for someone to put up a post where I can get myself some protective masks (coronavirus)
I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on the front line. We've been told from the beginning that they aren't very effective, but I think that was only to stop stocks being exhausted. If they aren't effective why do hospital workers use them?
I would like to have something to wear when I'm out getting essentials.. I've a health condition that put me at serious risk if I caught coronavirus. And yes hospital staff use them, so why can't I? But I can't source UK stock. All sellers seem to be in far east.
Seriously? You’re at “serious risk” but still want to go out, the mind boggles.
I haven't seen face mask being sold.

May be getting face shield instead?
Firstly, make sure you get the FFP3 masks.
I’ve just bought a box of 50 of DHGate for £155 including express delivery 3-5 days. They are the 3M K95 FFP3 masks -

I know 50 was excessive but on eBay people are selling a single for £10 so thought I may as well but 50 as I have 4 people requiring.

If you have no luck I can always do a good deed and send you some:)
jaketheplumber21/03/2020 19:36

I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on …I think the shortage is due to stocks being held back for those working on the front line. We've been told from the beginning that they aren't very effective, but I think that was only to stop stocks being exhausted. If they aren't effective why do hospital workers use them?


It's probably a very different situation for frontline hospital staff. They are going to be in extremely close proximity to people with Coronavirus for hours on end at a time, and a very real risk that an infected person could cough, sneeze, or splutter right in to their face as they lean over them. But for the average person popping in to a supermarket or out walking their dog their isn't that same risk, that problem is more for us touching our faces after coming in to contact with a contaminated surface for example.
i did look into this but you can't buy covid 19 protection masks in the uk as they are reserved for hospital staff. the very few chemists that stocks just even ordinary surgical masks are sold out as it is a very specialist area and no one buys surgical masks in the uk generally.

you can buy them on amazon and ebay but more than likely they will come from china and you do not know where they have been or how they have been handled before they get to you.

i am going to make my own mask if i need one from cloth as a protection simply from people coughing over me or to stop me coughing into the air.
Will a balaclava suffice
shadowfall21/03/2020 20:29

Will a balaclava suffice


better than nothing. people are using scarfs now so balaclava will also do, but will be uncomfortable indoors. the supermarkets and certainly banks may not let you in with a balaclava on!
Haircut_10021/03/2020 20:12

It's probably a very different situation for frontline hospital staff. …It's probably a very different situation for frontline hospital staff. They are going to be in extremely close proximity to people with Coronavirus for hours on end at a time, and a very real risk that an infected person could cough, sneeze, or splutter right in to their face as they lean over them. But for the average person popping in to a supermarket or out walking their dog their isn't that same risk, that problem is more for us touching our faces after coming in to contact with a contaminated surface for example.


Due to lack of face mask, all I could do is use a tube scarf to cover my nose and wear gloves.

Also, I put all the shopping directly into my shopping bag such that I avoid touching basket.
But obviously this only doable if you are not buying a lot of things.
mutley121/03/2020 20:26

i did look into this but you can't buy covid 19 protection masks in the uk …i did look into this but you can't buy covid 19 protection masks in the uk as they are reserved for hospital staff. the very few chemists that stocks just even ordinary surgical masks are sold out as it is a very specialist area and no one buys surgical masks in the uk generally.you can buy them on amazon and ebay but more than likely they will come from china and you do not know where they have been or how they have been handled before they get to you.i am going to make my own mask if i need one from cloth as a protection simply from people coughing over me or to stop me coughing into the air.


Imagine for the supermarket staff, how many people sneeze and cough and I still see people not bothering to cover their mouths.
Cisco06060621/03/2020 20:33

Due to lack of face mask, all I could do is use a tube scarf to cover my …Due to lack of face mask, all I could do is use a tube scarf to cover my nose and wear gloves.Also, I put all the shopping directly into my shopping bag such that I avoid touching basket.But obviously this only doable if you are not buying a lot of things.


you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag whilst you are instore as there is no way for the store to know if you are planning to steal stuff or not.
mutley121/03/2020 20:31

better than nothing. people are using scarfs now so balaclava will also …better than nothing. people are using scarfs now so balaclava will also do, but will be uncomfortable indoors. the supermarkets and certainly banks may not let you in with a balaclava on!


You know at one point, I was thinking if I should get motorbike helmet
MR112321/03/2020 20:35

Imagine for the supermarket staff, how many people sneeze and cough and I …Imagine for the supermarket staff, how many people sneeze and cough and I still see people not bothering to cover their mouths.


supermarkets are a high risk area because of the huge amount of people. supermarket staff are certainly at risk. at my local tesco they have had to stop self scan shopping because of the restrictions on items per person, so now there are more people going through the tills than ever before.
mutley121/03/2020 20:38

you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag …you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag whilst you are instore as there is no way for the store to know if you are planning to steal stuff or not.



Never seen a notice saying not allowed nor stopped by anyone yet.

Supermarket have alarm at exit. They will know if you are stealing.
Cisco06060621/03/2020 20:39

You know at one point, I was thinking if I should get motorbike helmet


they won't let you wear the helmet indoors for the same reason as they won't let you wear a balaclava indoors.
Cisco06060621/03/2020 20:43

Never seen a notice saying not allowed nor stopped by anyone …Never seen a notice saying not allowed nor stopped by anyone yet.Supermarket have alarm at exit. They will know if you are stealing.


this is how people steal in shops though. they shove stuff into their bag and pretend it is something they bought elsewhere. if the security guard sees you doing this, he will ask you to empty your bag. the alarm at exit only detects stolen items that has a security tag, not all grocery items will be security tagged.
mutley121/03/2020 20:38

you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag …you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag whilst you are instore as there is no way for the store to know if you are planning to steal stuff or not.


Yes you are in some supermarkets - we do. Have you never heard of self scan?
tregs21/03/2020 20:49

Yes you are in some supermarkets - we do. Have you never heard of self …Yes you are in some supermarkets - we do. Have you never heard of self scan?


self scan still have a trolley and you have to put your stuff in the trolley.
Cisco06060621/03/2020 20:43

Never seen a notice saying not allowed nor stopped by anyone …Never seen a notice saying not allowed nor stopped by anyone yet.Supermarket have alarm at exit. They will know if you are stealing.


They don't allow you in most, it's actually all of them but few you will find they don't enforce the rules a bit like my manager who enforces rules for some and others he turns a blind eye.
mutley121/03/2020 20:50

self scan still have a trolley and you have to put your stuff in the …self scan still have a trolley and you have to put your stuff in the trolley.



Wrong. You put the items straight into your own bags.
mutley121/03/2020 20:26

you can buy them on amazon and ebay but more than likely they will come …you can buy them on amazon and ebay but more than likely they will come from china and you do not know where they have been or how they have been handled before they get to you.


Never mind how they are handled, there's a high probability that the masks won't be effective let alone meet their claimed filtration rating, and where branded, that the branding will be fake.

Some organisation, might have been trading standards, but I 'm not sure, did some test purchases a few years ago, and tested how effective the masks they bought were, and the results were appalling.

Incidentally, if anyone has the idea of using WW2 gas masks, DON'T. They often used asbestos in the filter.


Also, I read you really need eye protection as well to protect against virions spread directly by coughing.
Edited by: "melted" 21st Mar
mutley121/03/2020 20:50

self scan still have a trolley and you have to put your stuff in the …self scan still have a trolley and you have to put your stuff in the trolley.


Part of the convenience of self-scanning a small amount of shopping is not having to handle the items twice; simply pick, selfscan, bag. Job done. If store security wish to subsequently view the contents of the bag(s) they still can.
melted21/03/2020 20:56

Never mind how they are handled, there's a high probability that the masks …Never mind how they are handled, there's a high probability that the masks won't be effective let alone meet their claimed filtration rating, and where branded, that the branding will be fake. Some organisation, might have been trading standards, but I 'm not sure, did some test purchases a few years ago, and tested how effective the masks they bought were, and the results were appalling. Incidentally, if anyone has the idea of using WW2 gas masks, DON'T. They often used asbestos in the filter.


yeah. i came to the conclusion that it would be just effective to wear a hankie over your face than pay for these masks from ebay and amazon, not to mention you risk picking up even more virus from the masks themselves.
AndyRoyd21/03/2020 20:57

Part of the convenience of self-scanning a small amount of shopping is not …Part of the convenience of self-scanning a small amount of shopping is not having to handle the items twice; simply pick, selfscan, bag. Job done. If store security wish to subsequently view the contents of the bag(s) they still can.


i guess as long as you can show them that you have scanned the item if they ask then you are fine. but it does make things more difficult for the store if everyone puts groceries into their bag directly as it is harder for them to detect theft.

in france, they don't even allow you to take your bags into the supermarket and have to leave it at the entrance with any goods that you have bought elsewhere.
I think there are a bunch of different ratings to look out for.

N95 and FFP2 being two I know of. I think FFP2 is common in trade stuff like DIY and tool places like Screwfix. Getting your hands on any might be impossible though.
mutley121/03/2020 21:00

yeah. i came to the conclusion that it would be just effective to wear a …yeah. i came to the conclusion that it would be just effective to wear a hankie over your face than pay for these masks from ebay and amazon, not to mention you risk picking up even more virus from the masks themselves.


There's also reports of allergic reactions to some of the counterfeit respirators

thecounterfeitreport.com/pro…tml
Some pharmacies in Hong Kong are selling boxes of official 3M ones but very expensive.

If you know anyone with relatives there, ask them if they could ship to the UK.
mutley121/03/2020 20:38

you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag …you are not allowed to put your shopping directly into your shopping bag whilst you are instore as there is no way for the store to know if you are planning to steal stuff or not.


I could be wrong but many years ago when I was doing yts in retail I'm sure we were told that we couldn't approach someone we seen putting something in to their bag until they past the last till in case they had every intention of paying.
Scoot5621/03/2020 21:26

I could be wrong but many years ago when I was doing yts in retail I'm …I could be wrong but many years ago when I was doing yts in retail I'm sure we were told that we couldn't approach someone we seen putting something in to their bag until they past the last till in case they had every intention of paying.


i haven't seen anyone put groceries directly into their bag at the supermarkets and i have seen people being asked to show what is inside their bag instore by security guards.
mutley121/03/2020 21:40

i haven't seen anyone put groceries directly into their bag at the …i haven't seen anyone put groceries directly into their bag at the supermarkets and i have seen people being asked to show what is inside their bag instore by security guards.


Many supermarkets do this.

"Scan & Go

Checkout faster. There’s no need to unpack your trolley and with dedicated card checkouts – you only need to pay and you’re done.

Pack as you go. With Scan & Go you can pack your items as you shop, meaning there is no packing palaver at the checkout.

Tot up as you shop. Scan & Go makes keeping track of spending simple. The handset and mobile app* display a running total as you shop, so there are no surprises at the checkout

By app or by zap. You don’t have to be a techno wiz to use Scan & Go. Our easy-to-use handset and mobile app* let you scan in an instant and tap to delete – simple."
Edited by: "tregs" 21st Mar
Speculator21/03/2020 21:25

Some pharmacies in Hong Kong are selling boxes of official 3M ones but …Some pharmacies in Hong Kong are selling boxes of official 3M ones but very expensive.If you know anyone with relatives there, ask them if they could ship to the UK.


i was just watching a news article where this guy in wuhan filmed his life in lockdown and the government there advised everyone to wash their hands and "wear face masks" very quickly into the outbreak, which is a very different message to what we have been advised to do over here with regard to face masks.

update - here is a link to more information on face masks

theguardian.com/wor…ted
Edited by: "mutley1" 21st Mar
mutley121/03/2020 21:53

i was just watching a news article where this guy in wuhan filmed his life …i was just watching a news article where this guy in wuhan filmed his life in lockdown and the government there advised everyone to wash their hands and "wear face masks" very quickly into the outbreak, which is a very different message to what we have been advised to do over here with regard to face masks.update - here is a link to more information on face maskshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/can-face-mask-protect-me-coronavirus-covid-19-myths-busted



Yeah. That's Ben. Watched him on youtube whilst he was locked down.

Also, I discussed it here today.

I am a Hong Konger but born here. We wear face mask in HK especially when there is an outbreak.

The Asian experts advise wearing a mask. HKs population is 7.5 million, quite densely populated and an aging population but nearly everyone wears a mask. No lock down and restaurant closures. Our death toll is currently 4.

Schools have also been closed since the end of January.

time.com/579…us/
Edited by: "Speculator" 21st Mar
cuzzy21/03/2020 20:05

Seriously? You’re at “serious risk” but still want to go out, the mind bog …Seriously? You’re at “serious risk” but still want to go out, the mind boggles.


TBF maybe they have no one to help them, or they feel they have no one to help them. I would say just ask a neighbour (if you can) because most people will help.
Jack-K21/03/2020 22:16

TBF maybe they have no one to help them, or they feel they have no one to …TBF maybe they have no one to help them, or they feel they have no one to help them. I would say just ask a neighbour (if you can) because most people will help.


yeah, not everyone has friends and family close by to help with grocery shopping. sainsburys is opening up more click and collect slots and they state this will help people who have to self isolate but who still need to go to the shop as it means they don't have to go in store and can just pick up the groceries at the click and collect point.
Speculator21/03/2020 22:16

Yeah. That's Ben. Watched him on youtube whilst he was locked down.Also, I …Yeah. That's Ben. Watched him on youtube whilst he was locked down.Also, I discussed it here today.I am a Hong Konger but born here. We wear face mask in HK especially when there is an outbreak.The Asian experts advise wearing a mask. HKs population is 7.5 million, quite densely populated and an aging population but nearly everyone wears a mask. No lock down and restaurant closures. Our death toll is currently 4.Schools have also been closed since the end of January.https://time.com/5799964/coronavirus-face-mask-asia-us/


are you guys wearing covid 19 protected masks or just surgical masks in hong kong? i am guessing surgical masks as there is not enough covid 19 masks.
mutley121/03/2020 22:23

are you guys wearing covid 19 protected masks or just surgical masks in …are you guys wearing covid 19 protected masks or just surgical masks in hong kong? i am guessing surgical masks as there is not enough covid 19 masks.



Both.

I am in the UK now but people mainly wear the 3 ply surgical masks because the N95 are very expensive. It still works because almost everyone is wearing a mask.

I managed to buy 10 boxes @ £4 each for a box of 50 Barrier" branded ones. @ ebay.

I sent them to relatives in HK. Price from same seller shot up to £40 for a box of 50 1 week later!
Edited by: "Speculator" 21st Mar
Wow, where to begin. You cannot buy N95 protective masks in the UK as that is an American standard. This is actually equivalent to our FFP2 masks, in the NHS we fit staff with FFP3 Masks, the highest level of protection.

Some home truths. You cannot simply take a FFP3 mask and wear it, there is a series of tests to ensure it seals around the face, or wearing it would be pointless. It will filter out particles larger than 5 microns, and as virus particles are smaller it will not stop the raw virus. What it will stop is the virus caught up in fluid I.e coughing, sputum or sneezing. NHS staff are fitted for these masks, and will not wear them at all times, but only when carrying out aerosol generating procedures.

So unless you are expecting someone to cough, spit, spew, or sneeze directly on you, then there is no need for a masks. If you still want one try B&Q, Arco, screwfix or other diy shops. Look for FFP3 or FFP2 masks.
Speculator21/03/2020 22:33

Both. I am in the UK now but people mainly wear the 3 ply surgical masks …Both. I am in the UK now but people mainly wear the 3 ply surgical masks because the N95 are very expensive. It still works because almost everyone is wearing a mask. I managed to buy 10 boxes @ £4 each for a box of 50 Barrier" branded ones.I sent them to relatives in HK. Price from same seller shot up to £40 for a box of 50 1 week later!


i will bookmark them for future. none left now but i may buy a box when all this is over in readiness for the next pandemic!
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