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    Vote to abolish the Scottish Parliament

    the petition in post one asks for the opportunity for the Scottish ppl to decide if they would like to abolish the Scottish Parlinment

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    Original Poster

    The only thing wrong with this is we all should get the chance to vote

    I can see Jimmy Crankeys face if this happens, she would have a fit

    but how will they govern themselves when their mythical 2nd referendum comes true?

    Original Poster

    eset12345

    but how will they govern themselves when their mythical 2nd referendum … but how will they govern themselves when their mythical 2nd referendum comes true?



    kill it before that happens

    Lol this guy is just basically saying the SNP are annoying therefore I want the parliament shut down X)

    The country may have voted remain but that was off the back of being reassured the Scottish Parliament would still have it's devolved power. They also said the vote would secure the countries place in the EU but hey looked what happened there

    miles136

    The only thing wrong with this is we all should get the chance to voteI … The only thing wrong with this is we all should get the chance to voteI can see Jimmy Crankeys face if this happens, she would have a fit



    She'd just want it run again (and again, and again) until she got the result she wanted...

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    sweeten16

    Lol this guy is just basically saying the SNP are annoying therefore I … Lol this guy is just basically saying the SNP are annoying therefore I want the parliament shut down X)The country may have voted remain but that was off the back of being reassured the Scottish Parliament would still have it's devolved power. They also said the vote would secure the countries place in the EU but hey looked what happened there



    I don't remember the EU being part of the yes / no referendum for Scottish independence. My recollection was yes / no to remain no in the UK or not.

    Obviously you are thinking about a different referendum.

    Personally I'd prefer to see us united, but if the Scots really hate the English so much maybe it's for the best. What I don't understand in all this, if it's independence you really want why do you want to be governed by Brussels?

    ICBMiss

    I don't remember the EU being part of the yes / no referendum for … I don't remember the EU being part of the yes / no referendum for Scottish independence. My recollection was yes / no to remain no in the UK or not.Obviously you are thinking about a different referendum.Personally I'd prefer to see us united, but if the Scots really hate the English so much maybe it's for the best. What I don't understand in all this, if it's independence you really want why do you want to be governed by Brussels?



    Really? You don't remember any discussion around Scotland's EU membership status if Scotland were to leave the UK?

    And here i thought it was a big topic that Nicola Sturgeon and the like just dismissed with a wave of the hand and an "ach, it'll be fine" attitude

    ah democracy in action ... or are some people south of the board fed up with them standing up for them self?
    and not doing as they are told? maybe it's time to let them rule us? we obviously don't have a clue at the moment . ... ?
    there was a point made this weekend , they can't financial leave the uk , but the technology has come on leaps and bounds in drilling for oil , and there is still oil up there , would they take that with them?
    that would just be our luck, back in 80s that oil saved the Thatcher government, paid to crush the union's, and the Falklands, and kick start the economy .
    something we desperately need again .

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    aau1

    Really? You don't remember any discussion around Scotland's EU … Really? You don't remember any discussion around Scotland's EU membership status if Scotland were to leave the UK? And here i thought it was a big topic that Nicola Sturgeon and the like just dismissed with a wave of the hand and an "ach, it'll be fine" attitude



    Have you signed in with a different account? No I don't remember it being discussed at the Scottish Referendum and no I don't remember anyone saying "ach, it'll be fine". I do recall bailing out the bank of Scotland though.

    richmond

    ah democracy in action ... or are some people south of the board fed up … ah democracy in action ... or are some people south of the board fed up with them standing up for them self?and not doing as they are told? maybe it's time to let them rule us? we obviously don't have a clue at the moment . ... ? there was a point made this weekend , they can't financial leave the uk , but the technology has come on leaps and bounds in drilling for oil , and there is still oil up there , would they take that with them?that would just be our luck, back in 80s that oil saved the Thatcher government, paid to crush the union's, and the Falklands, and kick start the economy . something we desperately need again .



    You do realise that Scotlands national debt is larger than bankrupt Greece and being kept afloat by the rest of the UK to afford free this that and the other which other states can't. And now she is offering free university education to the whole of Europe. She lives in a dream world.

    Why is it that anyone from England has to pay full tuition fees in Scotland, but someone from France or Switzerland pays nothing? Sounds like discrimination boardering xenophobia to me.
    Edited by: "ICBMiss" 17th Oct 2016

    Scotland is a massive burden on the UK, Just like the Mediterranean Countries are a burden on the EU. If Scotland was to leave the UK they wouldn't last long with no NHS etc.. They probably wouldn't get into the EU either and with the UK leaving the EU that will probably collapse. Would be suicide for Scotland if they went independent, We would have to build a massive wall, at least the foundations are already there :).
    Edited by: "shauneco" 17th Oct 2016

    shauneco

    Scotland is a massive burden on the UK, Just like the Mediterranean … Scotland is a massive burden on the UK, Just like the Mediterranean Countries are a burden on the EU. If Scotland was to leave the UK they wouldn't last long with no NHS etc.. They probably wouldn't get into the EU either and with the UK leaving the EU that will probably collapse. Would be suicide for Scotland if they went independent, We would have to build a massive wall, at least the foundations are already there :).



    Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't running a net-deficit when it comes to national contribution?

    If Scotland wants independence then they can have it, but seeing someone who voted for Brexit warn of financial difficulties if a country votes the wrong way....I mean, come on. X)

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't … Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't running a net-deficit when it comes to national contribution? If Scotland wants independence then they can have it, but seeing someone who voted for Brexit warn of financial difficulties if a country votes the wrong way....I mean, come on. X)



    Scotland depend on the UK, It's a different situation. Everything is in place for the UK to be a thriving economy once we've Brexited, Scotland would have to start from scratch, If they have the idea of leaving the UK and joining the EU they need to be aware of the facts, They might never be accepted into the EU for a starters.

    How do you think it would go if Scotland became independent?.
    Edited by: "shauneco" 17th Oct 2016

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't … Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't running a net-deficit when it comes to national contribution? If Scotland wants independence then they can have it, but seeing someone who voted for Brexit warn of financial difficulties if a country votes the wrong way....I mean, come on. X)



    AFAIK, London and the South East are not a country so the comparison not relivant. Or maybe micro manage places in Scotland to argue your case too!

    And the difference in his argument is it's not project fear, it's a fact that Scotland are spending beyond their means and have a debt larger than Greece with a similar sized population. Scotland have based its economy on oil at $110 a barrel. Such basic miscalculation and over spending would always end in Tears. Unfortunately Greece needs to pay back its loan to the Germans. Scotland are a bit more fortunate. They just say "ach, it'll be alright".

    ICBMiss

    Personally I'd prefer to see us united, but if the Scots really hate the … Personally I'd prefer to see us united, but if the Scots really hate the English so much maybe it's for the best. What I don't understand in all this, if it's independence you really want why do you want to be governed by Brussels?


    I'm all in favour of the union myself, but I think it's important to have a more informed understanding of what's really going on with peeps wanting independence.


    As I remarked in a similar thread, it really is surprising how many people seem to take the threat of Scottish Independence personally - why? oO

    Isn't it only a case of almost half the peoples living in Scotland (many of them born and bred English) being under the impression (mistaken or otherwise) that the union under Westminster rule isn't working for them?

    It's clearly not about hating the English, Welsh or Northern Irish peoples (in many cases their own brothers and sisters) - they're turning against a political system they feel (rightly or wrongly) has failed them.


    As for Brussels, the peoples in Scotland obviously feel it won't fail them as Westminster does - but then, just about everybody North of Watford feels (rightly or wrongly) that Westminster fails them, but favours the South.

    In conclusion, it's not about people hating their neighbours - it's about a very small, tiny amount of people (politicians) being perceived as mistreating some whilst favouring others.
    The remedy is simple - the politicians need to address that perception in such as manner so as to win ALL the peoples of the United Kingdom back under our beloved Union Flag.


    Edited by: "tryn2help" 17th Oct 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't … Apart from London and the South-East, which areas of the country aren't running a net-deficit when it comes to national contribution? If Scotland wants independence then they can have it, but seeing someone who voted for Brexit warn of financial difficulties if a country votes the wrong way....I mean, come on. X)


    That's true, current acount deficient since about 1983 every year due to sharp decline in manufacturing from Scotland to the Watford Gap (except for oil in Scotland as extra income).
    .
    Utter failiure of Labour & Tory, war with the unions, all parties to blame on the fastest rate of decline of manufacturing base in Europe. Although Thatcher's government won over the unions. But all governments failed to learn from the Germanic trade unions model with industry. At one time and for a long time we had Germany as the only rival in manufacturing.

    Back to topic, the current government policy is to devolve power to the regions anyway, depending on what one likes in centralisation versus distributed power.

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    tryn2help

    I'm all in favour of the union myself, but I think it's important to have … I'm all in favour of the union myself, but I think it's important to have a more informed understanding of what's really going on with peeps wanting indepence.As I remarked in a similar thread, it really is surprising how many people seem to take the threat of Scottish Independence personally - why? oOIsn't it only a case of almost half the peoples living in Scotland (many of them born and bred English) being under the impression (mistaken or otherwise) that the union under Westminster rule isn't working for them?It's clearly not about hating the English, Welsh or Northern Irish peoples (in many cases their own brothers and sisters) - they're turning against a political system they feel (rightly or wrongly) has failed them.As for, Brussels, the peoples in Scotland obviously feel it won't fail them as Westminster does - but then, just about everybody North of Watford feels (rightly or wrongly) that Westminster fails them, but favours the South.In conclusion, it's not about people hating their neighbours - it's about a very small, tiny amount of people (politicians) being perceived as mistreating some whilst favouring others.The remedy is simple - the politicians need to address that perception in such as manner so as to win ALL the peoples of the United Kingdom back under our beloved Union Flag.



    ABE ring any bells?

    Scottish politicians are pushing things to the levels where camels are starting to have their backs broken.

    Despite what you might think, I have no problems if they want independence given the argument they want autonomy but then deciding the UK can't have it but then wanting to be ruled by the EU. To me that just makes it obvious what it's about.

    ICBMiss

    AFAIK, London and the South East are not a country so the comparison not … AFAIK, London and the South East are not a country so the comparison not relivant. Or maybe micro manage places in Scotland to argue your case too!And the difference in his argument is it's not project fear, it's a fact that Scotland are spending beyond their means and have a debt larger than Greece with a similar sized population. Scotland have based its economy on oil at $110 a barrel. Such basic miscalculation and over spending would always end in Tears. Unfortunately Greece needs to pay back its loan to the Germans. Scotland are a bit more fortunate. They just say "ach, it'll be alright".



    ​"it will be alright" sounds like a brexit slogan ? hey apparently it's working for us? ...

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    richmond

    ​"it will be alright" sounds like a brexit slogan ? hey apparently it's w … ​"it will be alright" sounds like a brexit slogan ? hey apparently it's working for us? ...



    You do realise we haven't left yet? Remarkably all the currently rotten apples out to "punish" the UK will be kicked out far quicker than we will be. With friends like that, who would want to jump into bed with them? Apart from the autonomous seeking Scots of course!

    ICBMiss

    . . . politicians are pushing things to the levels where camels are … . . . politicians are pushing things to the levels where camels are starting to have their backs broken


    And, that in a nutshell is what it's all really about - a tiny amount of people/politicians fighting each other to get their own way.

    It's not about millions of people hating each other - it's about a few, a very small few individuals who have managed to get themselves into powerful positions - usually by telling voters all sorts of things in order to get those positions - and hardly ever doing any of these things, but certainly doing a multitude of things nobody voted for.

    Original Poster

    In the north we had a referendum to see if we wanted more indipendence we said no. Too much cost with no benifit

    miles136

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/vote-to-decide-on-whether-or-not-the-scottish-parliament-should-be-shut-down


    It should never have been set up in the first place, imho.

    We already had a parliament and it was up to that parliament to ensure the UK remained united by treating all Brits as one nation with equal opportunities.

    They failed - but the answer was to correct the situation - not make it far worse by rubberstamping the division with a seperate parliament.


    Nevertheless, closing down the Scottish Parliament now would be the dream-ticket for nationalists, virtually guaranteeing them independence.

    splender

    That's true, current acount deficient since about 1983 every year due to … That's true, current acount deficient since about 1983 every year due to sharp decline in manufacturing from Scotland to the Watford Gap (except for oil in Scotland as extra income)..Utter failiure of Labour & Tory, war with the unions, all parties to blame on the fastest rate of decline of manufacturing base in Europe. Although Thatcher's government won over the unions. But all governments failed to learn from the Germanic trade unions model with industry. At one time and for a long time we had Germany as the only rival in manufacturing.


    I think that what governments failed to realise was that the UK and Germany only had the manufacturing capability in the first place because of 2 world wars, and without an extreme push it was always going to decline.

    Same with the NHS, medically trained soldiers tended to survive the war, so we had an abundance of doctors and nurses. The best we could ever have hoped for was for it to become a shadow of its former self.

    But hubristically we put our successes down to 'Britishness', the Americans did the same, failing to recognise that their post-war dominance was due to the fact that all their competition had been weakened and owed them money.

    Scotland export 4 times to the rest of the U.K. Than the rest of the EU combined and 25% of the jobs rely wholly on the uk.The same arguements they use to remain in the eu are magnified many times the benefits of staying in the uk . Running a 9% deficit , with free oap care , free uni , free prescriptions is completely unsustainable without the rest of the U.K. Propping it up. Sturgeon says she is worried about uk uncertainty .. Imagine the panic in Scotland if they got total independence .

    plodging

    Scotland export 4 times to the rest of the U.K. Than the rest of the EU … Scotland export 4 times to the rest of the U.K. Than the rest of the EU combined and 25% of the jobs rely wholly on the uk.The same arguements they use to remain in the eu are magnified many times the benefits of staying in the uk . Running a 9% deficit , with free oap care , free uni , free prescriptions is completely unsustainable without the rest of the U.K. Propping it up. Sturgeon says she is worried about uk uncertainty .. Imagine the panic in Scotland if they got total independence .



    Using "facts" and "numbers" is part of Project Fear.

    Make that Project McFear. Take Back Control!!!

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    miles136

    In the north we had a referendum to see if we wanted more indipendence we … In the north we had a referendum to see if we wanted more indipendence we said no. Too much cost with no benifit



    Plus yuz woz all down tha pub and dinna care less anyhoo.

    shauneco

    Scotland is a massive burden on the UK, Just like the Mediterranean … Scotland is a massive burden on the UK, Just like the Mediterranean Countries are a burden on the EU. If Scotland was to leave the UK they wouldn't last long with no NHS etc.. They probably wouldn't get into the EU either and with the UK leaving the EU that will probably collapse. Would be suicide for Scotland if they went independent, We would have to build a massive wall, at least the foundations are already there :).



    the north of england is a massive burden on the financial and technological powerhouse that is the south east. not sure it would last long without southern tax revenues funding it's nhs. it probably wouldn't get into a united kingdom nowadays, one that looks likely to fall apart when scotland leave anyway.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Using "facts" and "numbers" is part of Project Fear.Make that Project … Using "facts" and "numbers" is part of Project Fear.Make that Project McFear. Take Back Control!!!


    Hey I agree .. Scotland eventually will go indept.. And why not . The fact that at this time with really low oil prices it makes for financial suicide is a risk many will take ...not sure enough will be prepared to jump at this moment.

    upset brown pant

    the north of england is a massive burden on the financial and … the north of england is a massive burden on the financial and technological powerhouse that is the south east. not sure it would last long without southern tax revenues funding it's nhs. it probably wouldn't get into a united kingdom nowadays, one that looks likely to fall apart when scotland leave anyway.



    Surely we could build a wall somewhere around junction 15 or 16 of the M1. Let the north devolve into a barren wasteland and have work permits to allow some immigration into the south. Then we can really reach our true potential. X)

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Surely we could build a wall somewhere around junction 15 or 16 of the … Surely we could build a wall somewhere around junction 15 or 16 of the M1. Let the north devolve into a barren wasteland and have work permits to allow some immigration into the south. Then we can really reach our true potential. X)



    anyone who says otherwise is bringing the Great South down and should be tried for treason

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    upset brown pant

    anyone who says otherwise is bringing the Great South down and should be … anyone who says otherwise is bringing the Great South down and should be tried for treason




    I'll take an educated.guess.

    You're a banker.

    ICBMiss

    I'll take an educated.guess.You're a banker.



    no mate, i'm a tory councillor

    inews.co.uk/ess…on/

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    upset brown pant

    no mate, i'm a tory … no mate, i'm a tory councillorhttps://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/tory-councillor-wants-to-make-supporting-the-uk-rejoining-the-eu-after-brexit-treason/



    Cool. Thanks for letting us know.

    Rubisco

    I think that what governments failed to realise was that the UK and … I think that what governments failed to realise was that the UK and Germany only had the manufacturing capability in the first place because of 2 world wars, and without an extreme push it was always going to decline. Same with the NHS, medically trained soldiers tended to survive the war, so we had an abundance of doctors and nurses. The best we could ever have hoped for was for it to become a shadow of its former self. But hubristically we put our successes down to 'Britishness', the Americans did the same, failing to recognise that their post-war dominance was due to the fact that all their competition had been weakened and owed them money.


    You ought to read up industrial revolution prior to WW1 in whole of Europe as wealth came from transition from agriculture to technology couple with slavery and empires. The industrial manufactruring capacity was not due to the two world wars but these two world wars did need the manufacturing capability which broke the wealth of all nations until Marshall Plan came along.



    ICBMiss " Scotland are spending beyond their means and have a debt larger than Greece with a similar sized population"

    Similar sized you say...
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    As for the rest of the nonsense in this thread...

    Even without oil, Scotland’s GDP per head is less than 1% lower than the rest of the UK’s. Oil revenue is a bonus.


    Oh no, Scotland has a £15bn deficit, how ever will they survive? I never hear many going on about the UK deficit. Almost every country on Earth, except for a certain oil rich nation of 5m people bordering the North Sea which isn’t Scotland, runs a deficit. Governments don’t operate like households, which at some point have to balance the books and pay off their debts. Under normal circumstances governments always run a deficit because that’s how you create growth. So you never have to fill that deficit. The only issues are whether the deficit is too big to service the debt payments on, and whether it’s permanently big (a problem) or goes up and down (generally not a problem). Scotland’s is the latter.


    Scotland would be more than fine on their own

    Standard & Poor credit ratings agency

    The Scottish economy is rich and relatively diversified, Even excluding North Sea output and calculating per capita GDP only by looking at onshore income, Scotland would qualify for our highest economic assessment.

    Original Poster

    were doommmed doommed

    Oh look the resident racists are back out of their gimp pens slagging off the Scots. They never have the balls to attack any other nationals because that would be racist and they'd be banned but its ok to insult Scots because selective racism is ok on hukd.
    Screenshot taken to show at a later date if need be.

    Original Poster

    hooray henry

    Oh look the resident racists are back out of their gimp pens slagging off … Oh look the resident racists are back out of their gimp pens slagging off the Scots. They never have the balls to attack any other nationals because that would be racist and they'd be banned but its ok to insult Scots because selective racism is ok on hukd.Screenshot taken to show at a later date if need be.



    I think you need to post this in my drunk thread

    Miles the knuckle dragging racist who claims to have non white non Christian friends, lol, of course you do sweetheart. X)
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