Wanted: Babies, young children & wireless routers

Found 10th Feb 2007
NO I'm not collecting any of the above but if you can answer YES to the following questions, read on

Do you have babies?

Do you have very young children?

Do you have a wireless router?

Do you leave your router on at night?

Do your children wake up during the night?

If you answered YES to these questions I have a challenge for you, you could even become part of a study group.

A friend of mine told me last week that he had heard that leaving your wireless router on at night (or a neighbour's if you know about it) it could cause your young child(ren) to wake up unexpectedly, or affect their sleep pattern.

Here is what I want you to do, keep a diary for say the first two weeks of everything you do in your house, wireless router on 24/7, diet of children like fizzy drinks etc, maybe extra exercise or days out with lots of fresh air that could make them sleepy. THEN the following two weeks try turning off your wireless router and see if there is any difference with the first two weeks. Then you could turn it back on again for say a week.

Unfortunately my kids are too old now but my friend said he saw a difference in the last two weeks and now switches of the router at night.

Give it a go and see if the manufactures are not telling us something, would be interested in the results.

Thanks for your cooperation as this could prove something significant that has been withheld from us.

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Jesus! You've got me worried now!

My wireless router is in my toddlers' nursery.

:pirate: CJ :pirate:

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hhhhmmmmm thats interesting

my children sleep through fine, my toddler sometimes wakes but that is down to her medical problems i am positive of that

however our router is in our bedroom and i do frequently wake for no reason and end up shattered the next day :thinking:

dont many child monitors use the 2.4GHz radio band too? So do these also wake children up during the night?

Original Poster

Interesting thoughts there, is anyone else going to give the big switch off a go and see what happens :thinking:

leave mine on 24/7 and never had any problem

Interesting find, wonder if that is causing disturbed nights in our house, but with the trouble we have had with the Internet (NEVER USE ORANGE!) I wouldnt turn off the router just incase!

Typical mobile phone when used: 2000milliwatts(2Watts)

Typical WLAN device: 34-84milliwatts (EU limit is 100mW)

The fear mongering media should be far more concerned over that little device in their pocket than a wireless router

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But most people will turn their phone off over night, not their wireless router

Other things can affect this study. This will be really hard to get a fair outcome. As some of you said mobile phone signals, router, magnets in speakers, whether they are shielded or not. Consoles that dont sleep like the Wii. Room temperature, clarity of the air, hygiene, human genetics, sleep times!!

You get the picture, the list goes on!!

1hour on a mobile = 6months of a wireless router

Personally I think there would be far too many variables to pin this down on anecdotal or circumstantial evidence.

As pointed out the number of objects in your house emitting various frequencies and energies already would be problematic also. If you are concerned about your child I would recommend blocking the entire nursery to filter out all signals or selective filters. You can buy wallpaper that does any of these.

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Original Poster

It was just something in passing, and another little thing you could try at home if you thought it might work. I didn't want to fill up pages & pages with other matters, but try and keep things simple, if you get a good nights sleep maybe, just maybe.

Here is another thing I learnt a few years ago and would really like to hear what the 'geeks' think??? (maybe even start another thread) Place your mobile in your microwave and try phoning it!!! if it rings your microwave has leaks in it allowing waves travel towards the mobile. If that happens, microwaves could come the other way when cooking something and harm you!. I've done it and none of our mobiles rang :thumbsup:

Just tried it in both my microwaves (an old one and a new one just a few months old) and the phone rings because the microwaves emitted by mobile phones are at a much lower frequency, it's always been known that some microwaves escape during cooking hence the guidance has always been not to stand immediately in front (the weakest point due to the mesh on the door) of the microwave for long periods. Obviously distance from the unit reduces the 'leakage' effect on any nice soft humans standing nearby.

I guess the level of reception will be affected tho so that could explain why some people's phones don't ring.

Interesting.

Another tip is if you got something like a AV sender, them things like send freeview from one TV to another for example. Try placing the Unit in a metallic bowl/dish and cover it with foil. Boosts your reception, it works, I do it

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tef89

Just tried it in both my microwaves (an old one and a new one just a few … Just tried it in both my microwaves (an old one and a new one just a few months old) and the phone rings because the microwaves emitted by mobile phones are at a much lower frequency, it's always been known that some microwaves escape during cooking hence the guidance has always been not to stand immediately in front (the weakest point due to the mesh on the door) of the microwave for long periods. Obviously distance from the unit reduces the 'leakage' effect on any nice soft humans standing nearby.I guess the level of reception will be affected tho so that could explain why some people's phones don't ring.



My reception both beside and inside the microwave (with the door open) was full signal but when the door was shut , none of my 3 phones rang, all different makes but all on O2. I believe that no waves should be able to get in or out of a closed microwave, and we only have a cheapy from Asda.

People that sleep in cold rooms at night are meant to live longer... so I've been told over a pint.

From the title I thought I'd found a sale...

Alas, I shall keep searching for a suitable home for Baby Samuel, Eric JNR and his Linksys WGKPC354G.

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Exactly what I thought.

From the main forum page you see Wanted: Babies, young...

You having problems ridding of the younglings as well then?

It's a niche market and has seen better times...

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Tried ebay, but someone keeps reporting me.

Have even tried disguising the listing as something else, but still...

Original Poster

I see this is back in the news again today - :thinking:

Apparently there is a Panorama special on BBC1 tonight about it, might be worth a watch and then comment later :thumbsup:

Crazy1

I see this is back in the news again today - :thinking: Apparently there … I see this is back in the news again today - :thinking: Apparently there is a Panorama special on BBC1 tonight about it, might be worth a watch and then comment later :thumbsup:



yes getting loads of publicity on R5 this morning..so Panorama at 8.30 pm tonight it is.

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currychops

yes getting loads of publicity on R5 this morning..so Panorama at 8.30 pm … yes getting loads of publicity on R5 this morning..so Panorama at 8.30 pm tonight it is.



Well just remember where you heard it first, 10-02-2007 15:02, on this very site. :giggle:

It will be interesting to see a different take on it rather than me and my IT guy's thoughts, 3 months ago.

The router get switched off along with with all electrical equipment except for DECT phone, Fridge/freezer and kettle.

Talking of DECT phones, Apparently these are "dangerous" to, Read a big study on some website, Along the same lengths as the router.

Scientists have said there is no evidence to suggest a link between the … Scientists have said there is no evidence to suggest a link between the use of wi-fi and damage to health.



]Unproven

Original Poster

stora

]Unproven



It might be unproven according to the Department of Health, but they have said the same thing about radio masts and electricity pylons and the other side say the opposite. All the time you have two conflicting doubts without proven results, there will always be a debate.

The choice is yours.

There are no proven facts that buses travelling outside your house will kill you but there have been cases that when hit by a bus travelling outside your house you will die. They will not stop the buses from doing that journey because the facts are not in the interest of the company running the service and the financial implications far out weigh the cost of one forgetful human being. :x

There is also a case against the USA for using DU (Depleted Uranium) in bombs that have been used in Iraq, the fact that 70% of babies born to mothers (that conceived after their partners/fathers to be have served in Iraq and were exposed to the effects of DU) have since been born with defects of one kind or another has not been proved yet either but it is known that a lot of these children will have deformities that where not their doing. Again the US government has said they don't accept any of the findings and the use of DU is totally acceptable in this kind of scenario (war).

So if you feel you are safe leaving your Wi-fi on on so be it, you can only do what you feel is appropriate to you and yours....

I heard leaving your router on makes you horny. So does this mean I can throw my viagra away?

I can actually here my wireless card doing the most annoying frequency feedback noise, Similar to the router.

Tv's, Radios, Xbox etc all seem to have there own annoying frequency though.

Wifi Does Not Cause Problems Check Bbc Technology Section They've Found Out That It Does Not Cause Any Harm At All.

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Wifi Does Not Cause Problems Check Bbc Technology Section They've Found … Wifi Does Not Cause Problems Check Bbc Technology Section They've Found Out That It Does Not Cause Any Harm At All.



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Original Poster

Let's see what they have to say in the coming days :whistling:

Heh, Just incase, Well I've swapped around the set-up and its now all wires, Its quicker that way anyway, When i need the wireless, I can just switch it back on.

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Iom-RF

Heh, Just incase, Well I've swapped around the set-up and its now all … Heh, Just incase, Well I've swapped around the set-up and its now all wires, Its quicker that way anyway, When i need the wireless, I can just switch it back on.



:thumbsup: at least you tried and as you say it is faster

to be honest, i have been feeling worse since i've had wireless. more headaches etc. my wifi is under my desc.

Blanco

I heard leaving your router on makes you horny. So does this mean I can … I heard leaving your router on makes you horny. So does this mean I can throw my viagra away?



This is true although you also need a wireless enabled PC and suitable images...;)

Based on anecdotal evidence with no scientific grounding, I have found wireless networks have improved my health - when I was younger I used to suffer quite often from migraines, an inflamed heart muscle and hayfever but these days they rarely bother me at all!

(don't take my light-hearted comments seriously...)

John

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*complete waffle*John



^^^ see folks, Thats what happens when you leave Wi-Fi on!

(only joking John!)

We are all doomed! These evil Wifiers are going to kill us all with their radiation-emitting WiFi, DECT, microwaves, AV senders, mobile phones, baby monitors, etc. Now, pass that tinfoil please, I need a hat!

On a more serious note, I recall that some years ago there was a great marketing ploy - selling mobile phone radiation protectors and people were actually buying them! Now, that's what I call money for nothing.

Anyway, I side with WHO on this issue.

Just a quick thought Kommunist, What about selling tin foil hats?, I presume there isn't a patent on a design yet? :-D

Split profits 60/40? ;-)

Iom-RF

Just a quick thought Kommunist, What about selling tin foil hats?, I … Just a quick thought Kommunist, What about selling tin foil hats?, I presume there isn't a patent on a design yet? :-D Split profits 60/40? ;-)




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