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    I have a Dell PC it came with an ATI X1300 Pro 256, the PC itslef wasn't the cheapest, but according to my Vista Window's score this is not the best.

    I know nothing about PC inner workings, can anyone tell me how much this card is worth, how bad is it and what would be a reasonable upgrade (money is an object).

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    Retail about £40.

    Selling between £10 and £30 from doing a quick search.

    What's your budget for an upgrade?

    Original Poster

    hornblowerracing;5119747

    Retail about £40.Selling between £10 and £30 from doing a quick se … Retail about £40.Selling between £10 and £30 from doing a quick search.What's your budget for an upgrade?


    Perhaps, what I could sell mine for plus £30-£40.

    andimccann;5119881

    Perhaps, what I could sell mine for plus £30-£40.



    Anything specific you want your computer to do to warrant an upgrade?

    Plenty of cards for within your budget though, would get a pretty up to date second hand one for £60 or so.

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    hornblowerracing;5120162

    Plenty of cards for within your budget though, would get a pretty up to … Plenty of cards for within your budget though, would get a pretty up to date second hand one for £60 or so.


    Will any fit or am I looking for something particular?

    andimccann;5120231

    Will any fit or am I looking for something particular?



    I'm presuming you'd just need a PCI graphics card.

    hornblowerracing;5120583

    I'm presuming you'd just need a PCI graphics card.



    PCI-Express :thumbsup:
    Not PCI

    your graphics card is ****

    timothyw9;5120622

    your graphics card is ****



    you can say that again! lol!
    its equivalent to a 5 series nvidia card (5800/5900)

    I could probably do either a 7900GT for maybe £35 or 7300GT for £25 :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    awoodhall2003;5120655

    you can say that again! lol!its equivalent to a 5 series nvidia card … you can say that again! lol!its equivalent to a 5 series nvidia card (5800/5900)I could probably do either a 7900GT for maybe £35 or 7300GT for £25 :thumbsup:



    Are they both 256?

    I have a Ati 2600XT DDR4 256mb if your interested. If you want it for 3D games then this is not for you (not selling this well am I! lol) But if you want it for 2D and HTPC work its great due to DDR4 and Ati's native HD video decoding.

    andimccann;5120786

    Are they both 256?



    they are both 256mb, but dont let that sway you my 7900GT has outperformed cards with 512mb before.

    your x1300 pro uses the older ddr2 for its 256mb, and is only 128bit
    the 7300GT = ddr3, and a faster core
    then the 7900gt = ddr3 but over 256bit and a much faster core again. :thumbsup:

    Both of the cards have ran many games on, the 7900gt runs GTA4 perfectly, runs Crysis with everything on medium, runs Burnour Paradise with mid/high, runs counter strike source with everything on high and thats on a 22" monitor.



    Here is a guide to comparing graphics cards:
    tomshardware.co.uk/rad…tml


    EDIT: After Cotterpins post: Both of mine are single, not double width, and can find out both the power drain from them for you if needed, but the 7300GT isnt running on anything special, my 7900GT is running on a CoolerMaster 400watt (i believe)

    Having upgraded my graphics card lately, I would recommend that you also need to check 2 things:
    - What output your PC's power supply is. Certain graphics cards need a minimum spec PSU.
    - What space you have available next to your PCI-e slot. Some graphics cards are double width if they have a big fan fitted, and if your PCI-e (graphics) slot is next to your other PCI slots, it may not fit if all the other PCI slots are full.

    Original Poster

    Cotterpin, thanks for your advice (repped),

    Adwoodhall, again thanks for your reply, last question and probably a dumb one, the DVI in on my monitor is taken up by my 360, I connect my PC to the monitor via its VGA port and thus the VGA out on my PC, does this matter.

    I'll need to check out this power issue before I decide which is best. Will try and find out this morning.

    Original Poster

    GAVINLEWISHUKD;5120825

    I have a Ati 2600XT DDR4 256mb if your interested. If you want it for 3D … I have a Ati 2600XT DDR4 256mb if your interested. If you want it for 3D games then this is not for you (not selling this well am I! lol) But if you want it for 2D and HTPC work its great due to DDR4 and Ati's native HD video decoding.



    Not of that means anything to me really, I'm not really looking at it for games, more programs.

    Price?

    andimccann;5122353

    Cotterpin, thanks for your advice (repped),Adwoodhall, again thanks for … Cotterpin, thanks for your advice (repped),Adwoodhall, again thanks for your reply, last question and probably a dumb one, the DVI in on my monitor is taken up by my 360, I connect my PC to the monitor via its VGA port and thus the VGA out on my PC, does this matter.I'll need to check out this power issue before I decide which is best. Will try and find out this morning.



    no problems, hey i often ask a million questions so doesnt bother me :thumbsup:
    the 7300GT i believe has a 1xVGA, and 1x DVI
    the 7900GT has 2xDVI, but i have a brand new convertor that came with it for VGA monitors. so that would not be a problem :thumbsup:

    Go for one of these:

    ebuyer.com/pro…214 £46.99

    matches these:

    7950 GX2, X1950 XTX

    don't be too hopeful about getting any money for your old card, it was bottom of its range and it is now 4 generations old...

    andimccann;5122360

    Not of that means anything to me really, I'm not really looking at it for … Not of that means anything to me really, I'm not really looking at it for games, more programs. Price?



    If you're not going to use it for games then which programs will you be using it for? Most programs don't use the graphics card.

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    EndlessWaves;5124764

    If you're not going to use it for games then which programs will you be … If you're not going to use it for games then which programs will you be using it for? Most programs don't use the graphics card.



    I have based the decision to upgrade on my Windows Experience Index base score, the overall score is based on five core components: processor, RAM, graphics, gaming graphics and primary hard disk. The result is simply that of your lowest scoring area, mine was the graphics which both rated at 3.2 (out of 5.9). My next lowest was 5.2.

    Plus from constructive feedback about my current graphics card, it is going to do me no harm in upgrading.

    Original Poster

    awoodhall2003;5122364

    no problems, hey i often ask a million questions so doesnt bother me … no problems, hey i often ask a million questions so doesnt bother me :thumbsup:the 7300GT i believe has a 1xVGA, and 1x DVIthe 7900GT has 2xDVI, but i have a brand new convertor that came with it for VGA monitors. so that would not be a problem :thumbsup:



    Can't seem to find the answer I am looking for regarding the power issue on the 7900GT, so to play it safe I will go for the 7300GT, £25 delivered?

    Original Poster

    jazex;5122757

    Go for one of these:http://www.ebuyer.com/product/153214 £46.99matches … Go for one of these:http://www.ebuyer.com/product/153214 £46.99matches these:7950 GX2, X1950 XTX



    Cheers for that, probably a little better than I need! :thumbsup:

    andimccann;5124924

    I have based the decision to upgrade on my Windows Experience Index base … I have based the decision to upgrade on my Windows Experience Index base score, the overall score is based on five core components: processor, RAM, graphics, gaming graphics and primary hard disk. The result is simply that of your lowest scoring area, mine was the graphics which both rated at 3.2 (out of 5.9). My next lowest was 5.2.Plus from constructive feedback about my current graphics card, it is going to do me no harm in upgrading.



    If you use the Aero interface within Vista then a graphics card will help with this, plus software such as Adobe Master Collection for myself a graphics card is of great help with the processing. Thus wont need anything over the top, like myself i am looking at getting a macbook, thus the pc will be sold probably! And as i now have all 3 new gen games consoles ive decided i probably not need my pc as much either...

    andimccann;5122360

    Not of that means anything to me really, I'm not really looking at it for … Not of that means anything to me really, I'm not really looking at it for games, more programs. Price?



    Well just checked vista and it scores 5.9 for graphics and 5.6 for 3D. Price £30+postage at cost depending on how you would like me to send it. Signed for second class is £2.60 I think or £2.89 first class recorded.

    Also its single slot and only requires motherboard power.

    Original Poster

    GAVINLEWISHUKD;5127834

    Well just checked vista and it scores 5.9 for graphics and 5.6 for 3D. … Well just checked vista and it scores 5.9 for graphics and 5.6 for 3D. Price £30+postage at cost depending on how you would like me to send it. Signed for second class is £2.60 I think or £2.89 first class recorded.Also its single slot and only requires motherboard power.


    Thanks, but made an offer to awoodhall #22, but think he may have missed it?

    andimccann;5124933

    Can't seem to find the answer I am looking for regarding the power issue … Can't seem to find the answer I am looking for regarding the power issue on the 7900GT, so to play it safe I will go for the 7300GT, £25 delivered?


    That would be dandy :thumbsup:

    andimccann;5128235

    Thanks, but made an offer to awoodhall #22, but think he may have missed … Thanks, but made an offer to awoodhall #22, but think he may have missed it?


    Dammit...i feel so ill...i even posted after it didnt i? :w00t:

    andimccann;5128235

    Thanks, but made an offer to awoodhall #22, but think he may have missed … Thanks, but made an offer to awoodhall #22, but think he may have missed it?



    Cool no worries:thumbsup:

    is the reason the aero score is so bad because the 1300 is not a directx 10 card as the 7300 isn't either he may be no better off,
    oh and better check the interface, the x1300 was done in agp wasn't it?

    Banned

    Got a new replacement one a while ago for about £20 off ebay.

    What model Dell is it? because it maybe a low profile version of the card.

    andimccann;5124924

    I have based the decision to upgrade on my Windows Experience Index base … I have based the decision to upgrade on my Windows Experience Index base score, the overall score is based on five core components: processor, RAM, graphics, gaming graphics and primary hard disk. The result is simply that of your lowest scoring area, mine was the graphics which both rated at 3.2 (out of 5.9). My next lowest was 5.2.Plus from constructive feedback about my current graphics card, it is going to do me no harm in upgrading.



    No harm except to your wallet, using money that could be spend on a real improvement.

    If you're not using any 3d programs or expensive graphics programs then the only difference you'll see is for Vista's Aero. The difference there is that it might be less sluggish with it turned on if your current card isn't powerful enough (although I think anything over 3 is support to be plenty). It's easy enough to check this, just turn it off (set the graphics to vista basic) and see if opening/moving/resizing windows seems any more responsive.

    If you do want a new graphics card and you're not using any intensive programs then going for an old high-end graphics card is a bad idea since while it'll give you lots of processing power for the money it'll also use up lots of electical power and could very well be noisy depending on the manufacturer.

    A better idea would be a new low-end card like something in ATI's HD 4000 series or nvidia's 9000/GT 100 series, as these will be both low power and quiet while offering you a decent boost over your current card (although don't go for the very low end, they tend to be rather crippled).

    And yes, you need to make sure the computer can actually accept a new graphics card and which slot it has as Dell as notorious for leaving off the slots (the X1300 also comes as a graphics chip built into the motherboard).

    Original Poster

    EndlessWaves;5131808

    No harm except to your wallet, using money that could be spend on a real … No harm except to your wallet, using money that could be spend on a real improvement.If you're not using any 3d programs or expensive graphics programs then the only difference you'll see is for Vista's Aero. The difference there is that it might be less sluggish with it turned on if your current card isn't powerful enough (although I think anything over 3 is support to be plenty). It's easy enough to check this, just turn it off (set the graphics to vista basic) and see if opening/moving/resizing windows seems any more responsive.If you do want a new graphics card and you're not using any intensive programs then going for an old high-end graphics card is a bad idea since while it'll give you lots of processing power for the money it'll also use up lots of electical power and could very well be noisy depending on the manufacturer.A better idea would be a new low-end card like something in ATI's HD 4000 series or nvidia's 9000/GT 100 series, as these will be both low power and quiet while offering you a decent boost over your current card (although don't go for the very low end, they tend to be rather crippled).And yes, you need to make sure the computer can actually accept a new graphics card and which slot it has as Dell as notorious for leaving off the slots (the X1300 also comes as a [COLOR=Red]graphics chip built into the motherboard[/COLOR]).



    Thanks for your reply, does this mean that the 7300GT won't work due to the built in chip I already have?

    andimccann;5132197

    Thanks for your reply, does this mean that the 7300GT won't work due to … Thanks for your reply, does this mean that the 7300GT won't work due to the built in chip I already have?



    No majority of motherboard all have one built in nowadays.

    However before i send it out to you it might be a good idea to ensure it will fit, to ensure whether you have a AGP or PCI-E card, as i believed your current card was a PCI-E however it seems they do two versions of the card you have. Furthermore, as a dell it could be a reduced sized card, which we would need to check.

    if you could tell us what model dell it is and im sure i shall be able to let you know and check that its the correct card before sending. :thumbsup:

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    awoodhall2003;5132651

    No majority of motherboard all have one built in nowadays. However before … No majority of motherboard all have one built in nowadays. However before i send it out to you it might be a good idea to ensure it will fit, to ensure whether you have a AGP or PCI-E card, as i believed your current card was a PCI-E however it seems they do two versions of the card you have. Furthermore, as a dell it could be a reduced sized card, which we would need to check.if you could tell us what model dell it is and im sure i shall be able to let you know and check that its the correct card before sending. :thumbsup:



    Nice one mate, I'm at work now but will e-mail the Mrs at home see if she can get the model number for me :thumbsup:

    EndlessWaves;5131808

    No harm except to your wallet, using money that could be spend on a real … No harm except to your wallet, using money that could be spend on a real improvement.If you're not using any 3d programs or expensive graphics programs then the only difference you'll see is for Vista's Aero. The difference there is that it might be less sluggish with it turned on if your current card isn't powerful enough (although I think anything over 3 is support to be plenty). It's easy enough to check this, just turn it off (set the graphics to vista basic) and see if opening/moving/resizing windows seems any more responsive.If you do want a new graphics card and you're not using any intensive programs then going for an old high-end graphics card is a bad idea since while it'll give you lots of processing power for the money it'll also use up lots of electical power and could very well be noisy depending on the manufacturer.A better idea would be a new low-end card like something in ATI's HD 4000 series or nvidia's 9000/GT 100 series, as these will be both low power and quiet while offering you a decent boost over your current card (although don't go for the very low end, they tend to be rather crippled).And yes, you need to make sure the computer can actually accept a new graphics card and which slot it has as Dell as notorious for leaving off the slots (the X1300 also comes as a graphics chip built into the motherboard).



    A cheap 9 series card is about £35-40 and would be on par with the 7300GT anyways.
    which a cheap 4000 series from ATI i believe are about similar, and in spec...so although not directx10 (which i believe make little/no difference unless playing games anyways) still seems 'in proportion'

    andimccann;5132672

    Nice one mate, I'm at work now but will e-mail the Mrs at home see if she … Nice one mate, I'm at work now but will e-mail the Mrs at home see if she can get the model number for me :thumbsup:



    excellent mate, believe me im not just trying to flog you something, i need it to work for you :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Dell Dimension E520.

    andimccann;5132790

    Dell Dimension E520.



    Excellent, right:
    dell.com/con…tab
    According to dell's own specification site, it does have a pci-express slot, and it does not say its a reduced size one either.

    So the 7300GT will be fine :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    awoodhall2003;5132806

    Excellent, … Excellent, right:]http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_e520?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&~tab=specstabAccording to dell's own specification site, it does have a pci-express slot, and it does not say its a reduced size one either.So the 7300GT will be fine :thumbsup:



    Great, thanks again for your help.

    andimccann;5132947

    Great, thanks again for your help.



    no problems, at the end of the day its my sale, thus id much prefer to ensure it will work for you then not :-D

    Banned

    Yep, that case can take full size cards. :thumbsup::)

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