Website development questions

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Found 28th Dec 2008
Hi

We pay a company called ems to look after our website but we are unhappy with their service. We want to administer it ourselves so we can change it quickly. The problem is we don't have much time - only a few days to tell them we don't want to renew our contract. I need answers to a few questions before we decide what to do. Essentially, we want to keep the domain (we have the deed of ownership) and transfer it away from ems to a new host - is that easy and how long does it take, could anything go wrong? We don't want to be without it for long or lose the domain.

We also have a third party online booking system administered by another company. Initially we just want our website to redirect to this online bookings system so effectively our website will be bypassed until we can set it up how we want it. Can anyone tell me if that can easily be done?

I've programmed for years but know very little about web development.

Also, our website does quite well in google etc at the moment. If we transfer the domain to a new host, will we lose our rankings?

Thanks

Pete

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My advice would be to have your domain registartion with a separate company than your hosting.
This allows you to simply change your DNS name servers should you wish to move the hosting in the future. Check if this is already the case.
It is simple to re direct your domain to an alternative either from a management tool such as cpanel or simply refresh the page to a different domain.

Careful with who you hold your domain with too. I bought one from 1&1 but could not forward it to a web page. I could only forward it to a folder or something else (forgot what.. ah might have been another domain). This was a ploy IMO by 1&1 for you to buy webspace from them once the penny had dropped after buying your domain from them.

The domains i have with free parking can be forwarded to a web page..so it was easy to use free web space as i did at the time when with blueyonder.

(I got around my 1&1 problem by forwarding to my freeparing domain and forwarded that to a blueyonder web (home) page. But aside from their little ruse above they also tried to debit me for another year domain renewal when I had cancelled it...luckily i was ahead of the curve there and had changed my bank card details without updating it with them).

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Agree with both of the above.

I keep seeing people recommend 1&1. Haven't a clue why. Several times now I've had to help people out with their control panel - which frankly is slow to change. Not good at all.

123-reg.co.uk are cheap and have a very good control panel.

Your domain may suffer very slightly initially, but would be minor and quickly back to what it was. It shouldnt be a concern.

Original Poster

So is this correct?

I need to contact ems to unlock my domain and get an authorization code, then go to 123-reg and transfer the domain to them. Any idea how long this should take? Have I missed anything out? Could I lose the domain? Could they delay?

Do I need to buy web hosting space on 123-reg.co.uk or can I just rediret without that?

Also, even though this domain is just going to forward to our booking sytem for now, I still want it to be found by search engines etc. Can I do that?

Thanks

you can pay a comapny to hold your new domain but you need to give ems time to redirect it for you

the best free domain holder is [url]www.editdns.com[/url], move your domain to them, then chage the a name and c name records to your website host

the service is free & second to none

Original Poster

How long will ems need? Could they mess me around as they are losing custom?

What are the benefits of ]editdns.com over ]123-reg.co.uk

I see that 123-reg will charge me £10 to transfer the domain to them but editdns are free are they? Is editdns safe? What if they cease to exist? Isn't it better to have everything at 123-reg?

Thanks

tgbyhn10;3880185

How long will ems need? Could they mess me around as they are losing … How long will ems need? Could they mess me around as they are losing custom?



they could ......... should only take 24 hours for them to say yes, then 24 hours extra for editdns (or other asystem) to propogate and link to your page, so looking at 48 hours max

Original Poster

Apart from cost is there any reason why I should register the domain at ]editdns.com instead of ]123-reg.co.uk

tgbyhn10;3880284

Apart from cost is there any reason why I should register the domain at … Apart from cost is there any reason why I should register the domain at ]www.editdns.com instead of ]www.123-reg.co.uk



123-reg hold all my domaisnb (bought with them) but i use editdns to direct to my sites )

123-reg have had problems with their system ...... editdnd is easier to change etc,

Original Poster

So I need to transfer the domain to 123-reg but I can edit the dns to redirect it etc at editdns? Sorry if I'm a bit thick at all this.

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tgbyhn10;3880132

So is this correct?I need to contact ems to unlock my domain and get an … So is this correct?I need to contact ems to unlock my domain and get an authorization code, then go to 123-reg and transfer the domain to them. Any idea how long this should take? Have I missed anything out? Could I lose the domain? Could they delay?Do I need to buy web hosting space on 123-reg.co.uk or can I just rediret without that?Also, even though this domain is just going to forward to our booking sytem for now, I still want it to be found by search engines etc. Can I do that? Thanks



You dont need to buy webspace from 123-reg. In fact I'd recommend not doing so. Always keep your domain seperate from your web host.

Obviously if you decided to transfer the domain, you need to have things in place so once the transfer happens, its a quick process of pointing to your current host. Obviously the transfer time is mostly down to 1&1 and as I said previously, they dont appear to be the most helpful domain host Ive seen! (Particularly if you are taking your custom away from them!)

tgbyhn10;3880378

So I need to transfer the domain to 123-reg but I can edit the dns to … So I need to transfer the domain to 123-reg but I can edit the dns to redirect it etc at editdns? Sorry if I'm a bit thick at all this.



basically you get ems to release it, then use the editdns site to tell them you want them to host your domain

then login to the editdns site & put in your hosting sites ip addresses

guv;3880398

You dont need to buy webspace from 123-reg. In fact I'd recommend not … You dont need to buy webspace from 123-reg. In fact I'd recommend not doing so. Always keep your domain seperate from your web host.Obviously if you decided to transfer the domain, you need to have things in place so once the transfer happens, its a quick process of pointing to your current host. Obviously the transfer time is mostly down to 1&1 and as I said previously, they dont appear to be the most helpful domain host Ive seen! (Particularly if you are taking your custom away from them!)



i only use 123-reg to buy domains as they cheapest ........ then i use an external dns host like editdns to point to my sites

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tgbyhn10;3880378

So I need to transfer the domain to 123-reg but I can edit the dns to … So I need to transfer the domain to 123-reg but I can edit the dns to redirect it etc at editdns? Sorry if I'm a bit thick at all this.



Dunno what editdns is! Is that your host?

What I always do within 123-reg is just amend the nameserver to point the domain to the host I use. Its transparent. It wont affect google ratings (unlike web fowarding) and IMHO is the best option.

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faevilangel;3880408

basically you get ems to release it, then use the editdns site to tell … basically you get ems to release it, then use the editdns site to tell them you want them to host your domainthen login to the editdns site & put in your hosting sites ip addresses



faevilangel;3880431

i only use 123-reg to buy domains as they cheapest ........ then i use an … i only use 123-reg to buy domains as they cheapest ........ then i use an external dns host like editdns to point to my sites



Now I'm being thick!

Why wouldnt you just amend the nameservers to point to your host from 123-reg?

guv;3880446

Dunno what editdns is! Is that your host?What I always do within 123-reg … Dunno what editdns is! Is that your host?What I always do within 123-reg is just amend the nameserver to point the domain to the host I use. Its transparent. It wont affect google ratings (unlike web fowarding) and IMHO is the best option.



editdns is a dns host ......... they will host your domain and point to your website for free........ much more reliable than 123-reg or 1&1

guv;3880454

Now I'm being thick!Why wouldnt you just amend the nameservers to point … Now I'm being thick!Why wouldnt you just amend the nameservers to point to your host from 123-reg?



cos its unreliable :lol:

always had problems with it

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faevilangel;3880466

editdns is a dns host ......... they will host your domain and point to … editdns is a dns host ......... they will host your domain and point to your website for free........ much more reliable than 123-reg or 1&1



OK, I'll give them a lookisie!

What problems have you had? I've never seen anything go wrong!

guv;3880496

OK, I'll give them a lookisie!What problems have you had? I've never seen … OK, I'll give them a lookisie!What problems have you had? I've never seen anything go wrong!



quite a few problems, where it wouldn't find my host etc, the server isp kept blocking 123-reg etc

also cos i use a free host (110mb) they don't like the way the nameservers for them are set up

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faevilangel;3880516

quite a few problems, where it wouldn't find my host etc, the server isp … quite a few problems, where it wouldn't find my host etc, the server isp kept blocking 123-reg etc also cos i use a free host (110mb) they don't like the way the nameservers for them are set up



I just had a quick look. Dunno how youve done it for free! Everything Ive found says there is a setup fee! But that aside, if you transfer, what are the renewal prices like? (inc .co.uk domains)

guv;3880539

I just had a quick look. Dunno how youve done it for free! Everything Ive … I just had a quick look. Dunno how youve done it for free! Everything Ive found says there is a setup fee! But that aside, if you transfer, what are the renewal prices like? (inc .co.uk domains)



ok i confused u and myself, i point my domain from 123-reg to editdns, then from editdns to my host, u need to use the a name on 123 and the editns server then the a name & cname on editdns to your site

let me find a tut :thumbsup:

110mb.com/for…tml

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faevilangel;3880567

ok i confused u and myself, i point my domain from 123-reg to editdns, … ok i confused u and myself, i point my domain from 123-reg to editdns, then from editdns to my host, u need to use the a name on 123 and the editns server then the a name & cname on editdns to your site let me find a tut :thumbsup:



LOL... ok!

Sounds like you are introducing an extra leg in the DNS that can go wrong!

guv;3880595

LOL... ok! :pSounds like you are introducing an extra leg in the DNS that … LOL... ok! :pSounds like you are introducing an extra leg in the DNS that can go wrong!



it works well 99% of the time :thumbsup:

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OK.. had a look at the link added.

Seems its needed because 110mb wont handle namesevers properly from 123-reg? Ive not seen any problems with other hosts.... so not really sure what the point of it is?

Original Poster

guv;3880446

Dunno what editdns is! Is that your host?What I always do within 123-reg … Dunno what editdns is! Is that your host?What I always do within 123-reg is just amend the nameserver to point the domain to the host I use. Its transparent. It wont affect google ratings (unlike web fowarding) and IMHO is the best option.



Should I do this instead of web forwarding? I want to keep all the SEO done in the past if possible?

tgbyhn10;3880630

Should I do this instead of web forwarding? I want to keep all the SEO … Should I do this instead of web forwarding? I want to keep all the SEO done in the past if possible?



yeah do its easier than doing my way ....... i love to confuse :lol:

guv;3880629

OK.. had a look at the link added.Seems its needed because 110mb wont … OK.. had a look at the link added.Seems its needed because 110mb wont handle namesevers properly from 123-reg? Ive not seen any problems with other hosts.... so not really sure what the point of it is?



there nameservers are really bad, but i also use it cos you can also set up email support using editdns e.g. your own email say sales@mydomain.com

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tgbyhn10;3880630

Should I do this instead of web forwarding? I want to keep all the SEO … Should I do this instead of web forwarding? I want to keep all the SEO done in the past if possible?



Definately dont use web forwarding.

All that does is add your site hosted elsehwere inside a frame. Thats a bad move.

If you use nameservers or DNS changes, your google ratings should remain unchanged.

things that could affect this would be...

Your domain is .co.uk and you host the site in the US. That would have a negative affect.

If your domain is a .com and you transfer your host to the US, the google engine will assume yours is a US site and that'll have a negative affect on google.co.uk searches.

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faevilangel;3880657

yeah do its easier than doing my way ....... i love to confuse :lol:



But ins't SEO done partly on the site content and my site will now have no content as it isn't hosted and is just effectively forwarding to another url?

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faevilangel;3880667

there nameservers are really bad, but i also use it cos you can also set … there nameservers are really bad, but i also use it cos you can also set up email support using editdns e.g. your own email say sales@mydomain.com



But most hosts will allow you to have unlimited email addresses that you can forward to where ever you want!

Certainly the ones Ive used will (though 34sp.com limit that to 15 addresses!)

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guv;3880670

Definately dont use web forwarding.All that does is add your site hosted … Definately dont use web forwarding.All that does is add your site hosted elsehwere inside a frame. Thats a bad move.If you use nameservers or DNS changes, your google ratings should remain unchanged.things that could affect this would be...Your domain is .co.uk and you host the site in the US. That would have a negative affect.If your domain is a .com and you transfer your host to the US, the google engine will assume yours is a US site and that'll have a negative affect on google.co.uk searches.



We have a .com url hosted in the uk by ems. So we will use nameservers or DNS changes, thanks guys I was going to use webforwarding.

I have a dummy domain at the moment I could mess around with to try this, would one of you guys talk me through what I would need to do to transfer the domain and change the nameservers or dns
I have;

Site ]a.com hosted by company A

I also have ]b.com hosted by company b

I want to transfer the domain ]a.com to company c and get ]a.com to point to ]b.com without affecting search engine rankings etc. I have been told to change the nameservers or DNS change and that should do it.

Would someone tell me how to do this?

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I'll try to help - though the discription looks a bit of a muddle!


Are you saying you want to use a completely different domain name for a site you currently have (but under a different domain name)? Or perhaps both domains pointing to the same site?

I may be wrong here - but you may get penalised for having 2 domains to one site! Correct me if that assumption is wrong!

What domain host are you going to use? If its 123-reg, then its a doddle. If you are going to use the dnsedit thingly that angel refered - then definately get him to talk you through it. Looks weird to me!
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