What do born-again Christians actually believe?

As a born-again Christian, I have realised over a period of time that the majority of people do not know what I actually believe. So my question is as follows:

What is a born-again Christian depending on to get to heaven?

Please don't submit your opinion of how to get to heaven, or whether there is a heaven, but what you think Christians believe.

Any comments really appreciated.

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one that is more serious and devoted than a previous one

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as a born again christian dont you already know? and if as you say most dont know how are we supposed to tell you, confused yet

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wow far too early for religion this time of the day.. each to their own I say , if it makes you happy get on with it

That all the the none believers don't get in?

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eh?

Why dont you just tell us what mumbo-jumbo you believe?

this should be a sunday thread

To get to heaven you will have to do whatever some book tells you ,(just the same as every other religion).

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Wow. I didn't expect 6 responses already.

Go on. Have a go. Still haven't got an answer yet

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Tony. My first answer. Cheers.

Agreed. I do what the Bible teaches me. But do you know what that is?

they confess your sins before the acceptance of God in your life, and they believe there is a greater life after death,

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philh777;6562320

Wow. I didn't expect 6 responses already.Go on. Have a go. Still haven't … Wow. I didn't expect 6 responses already.Go on. Have a go. Still haven't got an answer yet



you have had a few answers:thinking:

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http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1489899.jpg

this is where my gods live and I pray at

So do all Christians go to heaven? Not when you consider all the rules for exclusion. According to the books in the New Testament, Jesus left specific instructions that have to be followed or entrance into heaven may not be as sure as many Christians say. In Matthew (10.37), Jesus says that if anyone loves his or her father, mother, son, or daughter more than him is not worthy of him. But also in Matthew (15.4), God commands that a person must honor his father and mother, and he that curseth his father or mother must die the death. So you must honor your parents, but not more than you love Jesus or you will not get to heaven.

Jesus also explains in Matthew (12.36) that any idle words a man speaks will have to be accounted for on the judgement day. So you must also avoid idle words and gossip. That is not an easy task for many people. Many so-called Christians I see do not even make the attempt to curb such tendencies. Jesus further explains in Matthew (16.23-28) that a person must deny himself the interests or pleasures of men and take up the cross and follow him if he expects to reach the kingdom of God. This certainly indicates that more than mere faith is expected of a Christian, but how many can deny themselves of the common pleasures of men and take up the cross?

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Ok Sassie. Maybe you're right. I think I'm looking for specifics though, rather than generalisations

The last paragraph of Ricky Gervais pretty sums up my thoughts on religion:

Ricky Gervais has mocked the Biblical account of the creation of Earth in response to attacks on his new movie The Invention Of Lying.

The comedian gave a link on his blog to what he described as his "favourite 'Christian annoyed at a film they haven't seen yet'" piece to date.

The beliefnet story read: "If they had been honest about the intent of the film, I might have been tempted to see it.

"Knowing that I'll be mocked is one thing but being duped into paying to see a movie that insults me as a gullible sap is another. It's a good thing I'm not gullible enough to go see a movie without reading a review first."

Gervais responded: "I'm sure [the writer] is not gullible enough to read a review and totally believe it wholeheartedly and then pass her own judgement based solely on hearsay without seeing the film first. That would be ridiculous.

"That would be like me believing that the Earth was made in six days just because it was written in one book with no evidence to back it up. That would be f****** mental, wouldn't it?"

In Matthew (18.34-35), Jesus says that the Lord will punish you if you do not forgive everybody of their trespasses against you. And again in Matthew (25.35-46) we find that it is expected that a good Christian must feed and clothe the poor, and take in the homeless, though they be strangers, for as much as you do this for them, you do it also for Jesus. And if you ignore such people, it is as if you ignore Jesus, and you will go into everlasting punishment.

Now we can see that the requirements for getting into heaven are getting more demanding. But wait, there is more. In Matthew (19.20-30), a man comes to Jesus and wants to follow him, but Jesus tells him to first sell everything he has and give the money to the poor. However, the man could not bring himself to do that and sadly went away. Jesus explained to his disciples that hardly any rich man can enter heaven; it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. Then his disciples were amazed and questioned, if this was the case, who could be saved? Jesus replied that all things are possible with God, but those who have forsaken houses, father, mother, wife, children, or property for his name’s sake shall inherit everlasting life. So the conclusion is that if you cannot become renounced, you miss that everlasting life.

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dog_cop;6562344

this is where my gods live and I pray at



beat me to it dog_cop lol

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Jason, great reply. A lot of interesting points.

But what am I believing in to get to heaven?

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goonertillidie;6562365

beat me to it dog_cop lol



have some rep :thumbsup: and we will keep the points thanks

so its official I now run MISK .. trend setter mind= blown

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philh777;6562368

Jason, great reply. A lot of interesting points.But what am I believing … Jason, great reply. A lot of interesting points.But what am I believing in to get to heaven?



If you dont know what you need to believe then why believe in the first place?

seems daft to me

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philh777;6562368

Jason, great reply. A lot of interesting points.But what am I believing … Jason, great reply. A lot of interesting points.But what am I believing in to get to heaven?



yourself, i would hope or do you believe there is a doorman

Is this another quiz.............is there a prize.

No prize, no interest.

Yes but is doing what you are told the same a sbelieving ?.

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Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most people don't actually know what born again Christians believe

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philh777;6562395

Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most … Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most people don't actually know what I believe



nor do most know what i do, your point is?

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philh777;6562395

Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most … Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most people don't actually know what born again Christians believe



without being rude...who cares ? I dont :thumbsup:

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Sassie, I think my point is that a lot of people ridicule my beliefs, but I find myself expected to defend things I don't believe in either. Therefore I am trying to fin out if people actually know what I believe.

How do I have confidence that I am going to heaven?

Its a bit like saying "what does a robot believe" ,It doesnt ,It doesnt ,it just does what it is programmed to do,

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dog_cop. Granted, lots of people don't care. But some people care enough to get really wound about about these issues. My point is I am often debating with people who don't know what I depend on

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philh777;6562411

Sassie, I think my point is that a lot of people ridicule my beliefs, but … Sassie, I think my point is that a lot of people ridicule my beliefs, but I find myself expected to defend things I don't believe in either. Therefore I am trying to fin out if people actually know what I believe.How do I have confidence that I am going to heaven?



if you are happy to open yourself up to ridicule then expect it, why do you care who knows what you believe in, or is this similar to the knocking of doors but on an internet forum

believing in ones self that's all that matters, not following a cult imo.

philh777;6562411

Sassie, I think my point is that a lot of people ridicule my beliefs, but … Sassie, I think my point is that a lot of people ridicule my beliefs, but I find myself expected to defend things I don't believe in either. Therefore I am trying to fin out if people actually know what I believe.How do I have confidence that I am going to heaven?



just do what you think is just
you wouldnt know anyway coz u'll be dead

dog_cop;6562404

without being rude...who cares ? I dont :thumbsup:



^^^^ This...

Couldn't give a fig what you do you to please your imaginary friends...

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philh777;6562395

Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most … Still no-one has got it. Which brings me back to my first statement. Most people don't actually know what born again Christians believe



and why should we give a rat's ass?

it has no bearing whatsoever on me or the way I live my life so if you are attempting to use it as a stick to beat all us non-believers with you can jog on

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philh777;6562411

How do I have confidence that I am going to heaven?



In the same way that I have the confidence that the Euromillions roll-over jackpot will be mine...........

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philh777;6562426

dog_cop. Granted, lots of people don't care. But some people care enough … dog_cop. Granted, lots of people don't care. But some people care enough to get really wound about about these issues. My point is I am often debating with people who don't know what I depend on



I appreciate you want debate but this would be the wrong place as eventually you will get your thread spammed or expired or locked .. sometimes best to keep your views to yourself or are you trying to elicit responses to cause issues here ?

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Guys, I am genuinely interested in what you think. I'm not having a go at anyone here.

If anything, I'm dissapointed in myself and my fellow Christians that for all the arguing we do, very few people actually know what we are depending on to get to heaven

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Same as this guy so clearly on the right track:roll:

http://neilbeynon.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/george-w-bush.jpg

You are an ex murderer and are now a born again christian looking for forgiveness from the people yout hurt.
Their forgiveness will get you into heaven

philh777;6562464

Guys, I am genuinely interested in what you think. I'm not having a go at … Guys, I am genuinely interested in what you think. I'm not having a go at anyone hear.If anything, I'm dissapointed in myself and my fellow Christians that for all the arguing we do, very few people actually know what we are depending on to get to heaven



You are depending on the Heaven actually existing in the first place and hoping that you havent been lied to,
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