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    Which is a higher level qualification, please?

    Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Diploma

    or

    Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Certificate?

    Thanks!

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    diploma

    diploma

    Original Poster

    DarkKnight;4767101

    diploma



    You sure? I thought that, too but am getting a bit confused from looking around on the internet!

    the certificate is worth one A level while the diploma is worth 3 ..... the diploma means more work e.g. more units / coursewook .... the certificate is cheaper as well

    Mrs.Z;4767107

    You sure? I thought that, too but am getting a bit confused from looking … You sure? I thought that, too but am getting a bit confused from looking around on the internet!



    yes because i have a Level 3 BTEC National Diploma

    Original Poster

    Thanks very much - at least I know which course I am looking for now

    Anyone know how many hours/days a week a diploma takes to study over 2 years? Or would all the subjects be different?

    Original Poster

    DarkKnight;4767144

    yes because i have a Level 3 BTEC National Diploma



    Cool, thank you!

    May I ask how many hours/days a week it was, please?

    Mrs.Z;4767148

    Thanks very much - at least I know which course I am looking for now … Thanks very much - at least I know which course I am looking for now :)Anyone know how many hours/days a week a diploma takes to study over 2 years? Or would all the subjects be different?



    i did a national diploma and was 17 hours a week

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    faevilangel;4767190

    i did a national diploma and was 17 hours a week



    Over how many days a week?

    Mrs.Z;4767107

    You sure? I thought that, too but am getting a bit confused from looking … You sure? I thought that, too but am getting a bit confused from looking around on the internet!



    i did BTEC NAtional Diploma in Applied Science after one year of AS level, its worth the same points as A2 level in UCAS points :thumbsup:

    Mrs.Z;4767203

    Over how many days a week?



    5 days a week but that depends on your college ...... 2 days a week i would be in for 2 hours, other 3 days i was doing 3-4

    Mrs.Z;4767148

    Thanks very much - at least I know which course I am looking for now … Thanks very much - at least I know which course I am looking for now :)Anyone know how many hours/days a week a diploma takes to study over 2 years? Or would all the subjects be different?



    I did a diploma I studied full time for 2 years. I think it may vary subject to subject. What is it you want to do?

    Mrs.Z;4767150

    Cool, thank you! :)May I ask how many hours/days a week it was, please?



    cant remember cos i didnt go in a lot cos im lazy :oops: but we had a full time table and we had had lessons every day same as those doing A2 in my college back then :thumbsup:

    Mrs.Z;4767150

    Cool, thank you! :)May I ask how many hours/days a week it was, please?



    Well it varies with each semester, in the early semesters i was doing around 4 days a week, and in the later ones i was doing 3 days. but i was always doing about 2 full days and the rest were half days. im not sure of the number of hours but it was probably about 20 a week although in our classes we could just arrive and leave and any time really so it's almost like you can choose the hours.
    what subject are you looking to do?

    Oh yeah, another good piece of advise i can give you is that if you do the National Diploma and drop a few subjects/fail some, then you can still aim for a National Certificate. so i think it's a better choice to aim for a Diploma as you can get a better qualification

    Original Poster

    I am looking at Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Diploma in Applied Science (Laboratory and Industrial Science).

    I would like to go straight for the diploma but am having second thoughts and am wondering if the Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Certificate in Applied Science (Laboratory and Industrial Science) might actually be the better option for myself with 2 children and little support - don't want to risk taking too much on :thinking:

    I have also had a big gap from any studying, but I can't see where I am supposed to go next with either of those qualifications, or how much the certificate option will put me behind

    Is BTEC National Certificate not the part time equivelent of BTEC National Diploma less units to do anyways with the family might be best option

    Mrs.Z;4767280

    I am looking at Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Diploma in Applied Science … I am looking at Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Diploma in Applied Science (Laboratory and Industrial Science).I would like to go straight for the diploma but am having second thoughts and am wondering if the Edexcel Level 3 BTEC National Certificate in Applied Science (Laboratory and Industrial Science) might actually be the better option for myself with 2 children and little support - don't want to risk taking too much on :thinking:I have also had a big gap from any studying, but I can't see where I am supposed to go next with either of those qualifications, or how much the certificate option will put me behind



    if you read my prev post thats the exact same diploma i did and it led me to study the Chemical Engineering, the Diploma is the same workload as you so if you were to study physics chemisty and biology AS & A2, i did AS of those subjects and found it to be the same as BTEC only difference is courseworks for BTEC and exams for A levels you still do the same kinda tests etc, i decided to do coursework cos i dont enjoy reading sometimes and i found it easier doing courseworks, i think my attendance was bout 80% in my 2nd year and i still managed to finish with 2 distinctions and a merit, so i dunno depends on how much time you spend studying outside classes and giving your work in on time and stuff

    I have always been told that a HNC can be 'topped up' to a HND so if its a long time since you have studied the HNC may well include advice/help in return to study.

    I did an HNC a few years ago and had a graduatio ceremony but cant remember how many cat points it carried.

    Most of us were mature students and had lots of support etc from tutors re return to study,

    Original Poster

    elflembo;4767301

    Is BTEC National Certificate not the part time equivelent of BTEC … Is BTEC National Certificate not the part time equivelent of BTEC National Diploma less units to do anyways with the family might be best option



    The certificate does have less units - I think you study 12 instead of the 18 for the diploma, but the certificate still seems to be 17 hours a week :?

    I had my heart set on the diploma but everything else is telling me to go for the certificate - less work in one go and much more convenient location for the certificate with the kiddies schools

    But then, I don't want to be putting myself at too much of a disadvantage by not going straight for the diploma :thinking:

    Mrs.Z;4767350

    The certificate does have less units - I think you study 12 instead of … The certificate does have less units - I think you study 12 instead of the 18 for the diploma, but the certificate still seems to be 17 hours a week :?I had my heart set on the diploma but everything else is telling me to go for the certificate - less work in one go and much more convenient location for the certificate with the kiddies schoolsBut then, I don't want to be putting myself at too much of a disadvantage by not going straight for the diploma :thinking:



    like kt21 was saying can be topped up if you want, what i will say is did HNC was 12 hours a week while working and was tough going with young family

    I'm doing a BTEC Level 3 National Diploma in IT - 9-5 monday to wednesday.

    Original Poster

    ilovelilac;4767321

    if you read my prev post thats the exact same diploma i did and it led me … if you read my prev post thats the exact same diploma i did and it led me to study the Chemical Engineering, the Diploma is the same workload as you so if you were to study physics chemisty and biology AS & A2, i did AS of those subjects and found it to be the same as BTEC only difference is courseworks for BTEC and exams for A levels you still do the same kinda tests etc, i decided to do coursework cos i dont enjoy reading sometimes and i found it easier doing courseworks, i think my attendance was bout 80% in my 2nd year and i still managed to finish with 2 distinctions and a merit, so i dunno depends on how much time you spend studying outside classes and giving your work in on time and stuff



    Thanks very, very much - sorry I didn't see you studied the exact same course - am a bit knackered!
    I was always better at exams than coursework as I (used to) have a good memory and am not so hot on the discipline needed to complete coursework :oops:

    Am not sure I could take the pressure of 3 A levels straight from nothing - I have not studied for nearly 10 years. But I can't find out what the certificate is equivalent to

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    elflembo;4767391

    like kt21 was saying can be topped up if you want, what i will say is did … like kt21 was saying can be topped up if you want, what i will say is did HNC was 12 hours a week while working and was tough going with young family



    Sorry to be a bug, but can you give me a bit more detail on the 'topping up'?
    Is that like an extra year or something? And thank you for you input so far :-D

    Just to confuse you even more.................I have just applied for a Foundation Degree and they didn't seem bothered whether I had the HNC or HND, just the fact I had studied at a higher level was enough.

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    kt21;4767424

    Just to confuse you even more.................I have just applied for a … Just to confuse you even more.................I have just applied for a Foundation Degree and they didn't seem bothered whether I had the HNC or HND, just the fact I had studied at a higher level was enough.



    I only have my 10 GCSE's from school :oops:

    Mrs.Z;4767402

    Thanks very, very much - sorry I didn't see you studied the exact same … Thanks very, very much - sorry I didn't see you studied the exact same course - am a bit knackered!I was always better at exams than coursework as I (used to) have a good memory and am not so hot on the discipline needed to complete coursework :oops:Am not sure I could take the pressure of 3 A levels straight from nothing - I have not studied for nearly 10 years. But I can't find out what the certificate is equivalent to



    BTEC is all about coursework, im better at course work cos im good at researching stuff and im rubbish at remembering stuff, it all depends on what you do afterwards if you wanna go to uni or just to some kinda access course to something else, my friend did a BTEC certificate as her GCSEs werent good enough for a diploma so just ended up doing nursing and stuff, if you wanted to do something like engineering you'll have to do a foundation year before starting properly, good thing bout course works is you know your deadlines and that you have to meet them and when they're done you know what you get already with some but they teachers let you do most of the work yourself but its mostly stuff you wudve learnt in class, im very lazy and undisciplined when it comes to education and if i can do it so can you :giggle:

    The 'topping up' simply means that you have to study a certain number of modules for the HNC then a further number for the HND.Basically achieve the HNC then add the extra modules as and when you can.Most colleges seem to offer the modules on a rotation.

    There are certain basic modules needed for both qualifications then the others carry either 1 or 1.5 points.You need a certain number of points for each qualification.

    Hope that makes sense.!

    Mrs.Z;4767417

    Sorry to be a bug, but can you give me a bit more detail on the 'topping … Sorry to be a bug, but can you give me a bit more detail on the 'topping up'? Is that like an extra year or something? And thank you for you input so far :-D



    Yeah probably is didn't do it myself as my employer recognised HNC and HND as similar level qualification for the job i was after.

    Original Poster

    Thanks so much everybody - I really appreciate all your input and will go through it all again in the morning when I am a bit more conscious :giggle:

    The Btec may be better for me now that I am older (and I can't even remember what I went upstairs for sometimes LOL!)

    Think I will try for the certificate and see how I cope

    Diploma :thumbsup:

    Things must have changed, the hnc's used to be in courses which were skill or practical based whereas the hnds used to be academic or theory based..but essentially they used to be at more or less the same level.
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