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    Which party has pledged to tackle benefits culture and its abuse?

    As above...I hear a lot of faffing about from the parties, but do not recollect a specific party mentioning anything about tackling the ever growing dependency culture and rampant abuse of the system. They are scraping around trying to save a few billions here and there, but would do well to start with the budget for benefits, which stands close to £200 billion a year.

    Government Spending for 2010-11

    Social Security - £196 billion
    NHS - £122 billion
    Education - £89 billion
    Defence - £40 billion

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    true dat, will check it out

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    they wont mention it cos they'll lose 10 million votes

    csiman;8370503

    they wont mention it cos they'll lose 10 million votes



    Totally agree with you. Wish someone would say it though as many of us would vote for them. Lets face it i doubt it would be labour....so one of the others but they dont have the guts to either.

    csiman;8370503

    they wont mention it cos they'll lose 10 million votes



    lol, thats a big assumption that the kind of people we are talking about actually vote.........

    Alfonse;8370529

    lol, thats a big assumption that the kind of people we are talking about … lol, thats a big assumption that the kind of people we are talking about actually vote.........



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    Original Poster

    I wish there were a party actively seeking to tackle this huge burden on the country. This is a huge drain on the country and money for nothing schemes ought to stop if we are to get out of this debt mess. Any party that pledges to sort this out would get my vote...

    The political outfits are only ever thinking of increasing taxes to claw more money to meet the budget requirements when they should be making concerted efforts to reduce the needless financial burden.

    You should run for local government get involved if you want to change the system. It's not a very well paid job and I don't think you can claim for anything like expenses or allowances.

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    Alfonse;8370529

    lol, thats a big assumption that the kind of people we are talking about … lol, thats a big assumption that the kind of people we are talking about actually vote.........


    but if a party pledged to massively reduce benefits then I think a lot of people would be voting for the first time ever (for the opposition) :-D

    its gonna happen anyway whoever gets in. Not before time either.

    csiman;8370802

    but if a party pledged to massively reduce benefits then I think a lot of … but if a party pledged to massively reduce benefits then I think a lot of people would be voting for the first time ever (for the opposition) :-Dits gonna happen anyway whoever gets in. Not before time either.



    alot of people vote for the time ever, every election, something to do with population growth and age I believe :roll:

    gaanja;8370567

    I wish there were a party actively seeking to tackle this huge burden on … I wish there were a party actively seeking to tackle this huge burden on the country. This is a huge drain on the country and money for nothing schemes ought to stop if we are to get out of this debt mess. Any party that pledges to sort this out would get my vote...The political outfits are only ever thinking of increasing taxes to claw more money to meet the budget requirements when they should be making concerted efforts to reduce the needless financial burden.



    Personally, I don't see it as a 'needless financial burden'. I'd hate to live in a society where we didn't ensure that everyone had money to live. I do believe that most people have to claim benefits through no fault of their own and that the stories about people swindling the benefits system only apply to a small percentage. I'd rather have a small percentage paid when they shouldn't be to ensure that those who genuinely are in need and their children don't starve. btw I work full time and am a taxpayer.

    Susannah;8371003

    Personally, I don't see it as a 'needless financial burden'. I'd hate to … Personally, I don't see it as a 'needless financial burden'. I'd hate to live in a society where we didn't ensure that everyone had money to live. I do believe that most people have to claim benefits through no fault of their own and that the stories about people swindling the benefits system only apply to a small percentage. I'd rather have a small percentage paid when they shouldn't be to ensure that those who genuinely are in need and their children don't starve. btw I work full time and am a taxpayer.



    Actually the OP is talking about tackling the abuse of the benefit system in order to cut spending not genuine claims for benefit, 2 very different things.

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    gaanja;8370567

    tackling the ever growing dependency culture and rampant abuse of the … tackling the ever growing dependency culture and rampant abuse of the system



    Alfonse;8371015

    Actually the OP is talking about tackling the abuse of the benefit system … Actually the OP is talking about tackling the abuse of the benefit system in order to cut spending not genuine claims for benefit, 2 very different things.

    Original Poster

    Alfonse;8371015

    Actually the OP is talking about tackling the abuse of the benefit system … Actually the OP is talking about tackling the abuse of the benefit system in order to cut spending not genuine claims for benefit, 2 very different things.



    Yes, spot on. There is a lot of wastage and abuse in the current system. It's far too easy for someone to milk the system. Of course, it seems to help those who start young. Contrary to what many might say, I believe that abuse is not in the minority. Our neighbours for example are in their 20s and are on their way to a 5th child. They move to a bigger place almost every year as soon as they have another child. They seem to have an endless amount of money to spend on smoking and drinking. Needless to say, both don't work. Why should hard working tax payers pay for such lazy layabouts?

    nevermind sassie lol

    you're right to highlight my point further, thanks

    dependancy culture and its abuse, the non genuine uses of the benfit system whereas genuine claimaints don't create a dependancy culture....................:whistling:

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    the goverment are quite happy with the situation, they have done nothing to help the situation and continue to add to it, unless of course you are telling me they dont know they have a massive problem

    sassie;8371105

    the goverment are quite happy with the situation, they have done nothing … the goverment are quite happy with the situation, they have done nothing to help the situation and continue to add to it, unless of course you are telling me they dont know they have a massive problem



    omg, when do they know when they have got a massive problem...........

    iraq?

    expenses?

    apparently suicidal scientists?

    NHS management?

    Army equipment?

    Banking?

    need i go on.......

    give up now

    Social Security - £196 billion



    How much of that covers state pensions?

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    Shengis;8371139

    How much of that covers state pensions?



    and how much of that is child tax credits that nearly everyone claims who has a child, ooooops forgot people will now get upset realising they are claiming off the goverment, shall i be a devil and chuck in child benefit as well (naughty me - yes i know the purse maybe labelled non social security to make ya all feel better)

    I'm just not sure how the people who abuse the system could be identified. I know that most peopole are aware of someone who they believe is abusing benefits and there are already systems in place for these people to be reported. Obviously, no-one likes fraudulent benefit claims but what would weed these out (genuine question)?

    Shengis;8371139

    How much of that covers state pensions?



    good question, did you know that Benefit payouts now exceeds Income Tax Revenue by almost £25billion, its very unbalanced so something is very wrong.

    pretty much sums it up

    If we stopped all immigration,tightened our borders and kicked out Asylum seekers then millions in handouts would be saved,NHS would benefit too.

    sassie;8371163

    and how much of that is child tax credits that nearly everyone claims who … and how much of that is child tax credits that nearly everyone claims who has a child, ooooops forgot people will now get upset realising they are claiming off the goverment, shall i be a devil and chuck in child benefit as well (naughty me - yes i know the purse maybe labelled non social security to make ya all feel better)



    be very happy if they cut that too, get my vote

    boothy;8371194

    If we stopped all immigration,tightened our borders and kicked out Asylum … If we stopped all immigration,tightened our borders and kicked out Asylum seekers then millions in handouts would be saved.



    another purposefully divisive comment

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    Alfonse;8371197

    be very happy if they cut that too, get my vote



    the goverment dont help people out of this situation, they add to it and keep them there, why? because it keeps the unemployment figures down

    Alfonse;8371182

    good question, did you know that Benefit payouts now exceeds Income Tax … good question, did you know that Benefit payouts now exceeds Income Tax Revenue by almost £25billion, its very unbalanced so something is very wrong.pretty much sums it up



    And it'll only get worse. One child per family and euthanasia at 60. Just a quick solution off the top of my head :lol: (Logan's Run anybody?)

    boothy;8371194

    If we stopped all immigration,tightened our borders and kicked out Asylum … If we stopped all immigration,tightened our borders and kicked out Asylum seekers then millions in handouts would be saved.



    Absolutely true - but a lot of cost in human lives

    Original Poster

    sassie;8371163

    and how much of that is child tax credits that nearly everyone claims who … and how much of that is child tax credits that nearly everyone claims who has a child, ooooops forgot people will now get upset realising they are claiming off the goverment, shall i be a devil and chuck in child benefit as well (naughty me - yes i know the purse maybe labelled non social security to make ya all feel better)



    I'd be happy if this stopped as well. Parents must pay for their children and not the State. Yes, I do have children of my own.

    Alfonse;8371197
    be very happy if they cut that too, get my vote


    Alfonse;8371210
    another purposefully divisive comment


    Shengis;8371220

    And it'll only get worse. One child per family and euthanasia at 60. Just … And it'll only get worse. One child per family and euthanasia at 60. Just a quick solution off the top of my head :lol:


    so I've only got 6 years left - and all that putting money into a pensions scheme......

    Susannah;8371227

    Absolutely true - but a lot of cost in human lives



    Allegedly.....

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    gaanja;8371239

    I'd be happy if this stopped as well. Parents must pay for their children … I'd be happy if this stopped as well. Parents must pay for their children and not the State. Yes, I do have children of my own.



    edit - removed, as it was a personal question i shouldnt have asked

    Shengis;8371220

    And it'll only get worse. One child per family and euthanasia at 60. Just … And it'll only get worse. One child per family and euthanasia at 60. Just a quick solution off the top of my head :lol: (Logan's Run anybody?)



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    Alfonse;8371182

    good question, did you know that Benefit payouts now exceeds Income Tax … good question, did you know that Benefit payouts now exceeds Income Tax Revenue by almost £25billion, its very unbalanced so something is very wrong.pretty much sums it up



    That is staggering and quite scary, too. Yet, not one political party seems keen on tackling this. As someone said earlier, it could be at at the cost of votes and for a political outfit, votes matter more than the future of the country.

    gaanja;8371239

    I'd be happy if this stopped as well. Parents must pay for their children … I'd be happy if this stopped as well. Parents must pay for their children and not the State. Yes, I do have children of my own.



    i thought that the state supported families with children to try to ensure that people keep having them. We need children to form the next generation of employees otherwise the pensions/income tax situation will only become more unbalanced.

    boothy;8371255

    Sanctuary:)



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    Shengis;8371249

    Allegedly.....



    Personally, wouldn't vote for a party that took this risk.

    boothy;8371243


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    Susannah;8371264

    i thought that the state supported families with children to try to … i thought that the state supported families with children to try to ensure that people keep having them. We need children to form the next generation of employees otherwise the pensions/income tax situation will only become more unbalanced.



    You're quite correct, but it's not a solution. Cowboy builders bodge it and scarper job more like. Eventually the walls WILL come tumbling down. And it's not that far off apparently.....

    Susannah;8371264

    i thought that the state supported families with children to try to … i thought that the state supported families with children to try to ensure that people keep having them. We need children to form the next generation of employees otherwise the pensions/income tax situation will only become more unbalanced.



    it is already unbalanced by population influxes

    I'm waiting for the angry replies here but how do we know that the system is being heavily abused? As I said most people think they know someone who is abusing the system but surely we need to be sure that there is widespread abuse before we start to tackle it? I suppose it also depends on what we identify as abuse of the system....
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