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    Why do so many working class british speak such lazy & bad English?

    No offence people! but I consider myself to be working class and I always try my best to speak the best English I can possibly speak. My question is why do so many of the working class insist on always using bad pronounciation and slang words?.

    I have seen lots of people from other countries who speak perfect English but they have trouble understanding and communicating with working class people and most of the time I have to act as a translator =).

    What are your thoughts on this subject guys?

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    I think it's predominantly the result of socialisation. Each of is us is exposed to micro and macro cultures and we each adopt and reject aspects of each; slang, dialect and colloquialisms are such aspects.

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    salright thou bruv innit?

    I have the opposite problem... I get mocked for "talking like the queen" (even though I'm pretty sure this is what words sound like when said properly)! We can't win!

    The glottal stop is the bane of my life, am trying to get my 3 year old out of it at the mo!

    Eg: butter becomes bu-er, twenty becomes twen-y

    Really irritates me and yes I too am working class, live on a council estate etc and think my LO has picked it up at nursery!

    baffledsalmon;8935180

    I have the opposite problem... I get mocked for "talking like the queen" … I have the opposite problem... I get mocked for "talking like the queen" (even though I'm pretty sure this is what words sound like when said properly)! We can't win!



    I get a similar problem. I speak English to the best of my ability, I also get mocked people are always telling me I speak too posh :w00t:

    Dialect also plays a big part in it, and also the kind of school you were taught in. I have always lived in the North of Manchester( Think Coronation Street) but was schooled in the South side by very BBC/Radio 4 sounding teachers, so hence i think i speak properly.

    jubbyme;8935179

    salright thou bruv innit?



    Agreed, mostly. However, it's always useful to match up certain tones, vocabulary, syntax, degree of formality etc with each occasion otherwise a faux pas may occur. I might swear from time to time, but I'd never swear in work as it's not appropriate, for example.

    Is it because they're still taking Michael Jackson's death badly and can't get the words out right anymore? (Last time, honest!)

    I'm not quite sure what class has to do with anything? I don't find people using slang and the like to be an annoyance, it's the way the world works. Obviously there's a time and a place to say certain things and speak certain ways, but as long as I can communicate with someone, it's not an issue.

    On the other hand, I get quite irritated by people writing/typing badly. Using 'should of', instead of 'should have' or 'should've' really grinds my gears. My mate says that it's just the English language evolving, I say it's just plain incorrect and people just think it's spelt that way because 'should've' sounds that way when spoken. Swings and roundabouts, I guess!

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    Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for poor English? no!? just me, okay bye.

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    cookiemonster83;8935283

    Is it because they're still taking Michael Jackson's death badly and … Is it because they're still taking Michael Jackson's death badly and can't get the words out right anymore? (Last time, honest!)I'm not quite sure what class has to do with anything? I don't find people using slang and the like to be an annoyance, it's the way the world works. Obviously there's a time and a place to say certain things and speak certain ways, but as long as I can communicate with someone, it's not an issue. On the other hand, I get quite irritated by people writing/typing badly. Using 'should of', instead of 'should have' or 'should've' really grinds my gears. My mate says that it's just the English language evolving, I say it's just plain incorrect and people just think it's spelt that way because 'should've' sounds that way when spoken. Swings and roundabouts, I guess!



    Or random capitalising...

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    cookiemonster83;8935283

    Is it because they're still taking Michael Jackson's death badly and … Is it because they're still taking Michael Jackson's death badly and can't get the words out right anymore? (Last time, honest!)



    I aint laffing bruv aight!! MJRIP;-)

    lumoruk;8935322

    Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for … Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for poor English? no!? just me, okay bye.



    L8r

    master_chief;8935327

    Or random capitalising...



    Are you saying that's something I did in the quoted post, or just adding to the list of annoyances in writing?

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    cookiemonster83;8935363

    Are you saying that's something I did in the quoted post, or just adding … Are you saying that's something I did in the quoted post, or just adding to the list of annoyances in writing?



    Thread title :thumbsup:

    Oh he's corrected it now...

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    master_chief;8935371

    Thread title :thumbsup:Oh he's corrected it now...



    :oops:

    I knaw da mistake i made putteng dee emfazis on the Lazy AND the Bad but that was jus to get ya'lls attencion:w00t:

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    accents are all about identity, if thats what you are getting at

    master_chief;8935371

    Thread title :thumbsup:Oh he's corrected it now...



    Ah, fair enough. I was about to get all defensive! :-D

    casparwhite;8935425

    accents are all about identity, if thats what you are getting at



    dont think its the accent, where i live more than half of the people dont know how to WAS and WERE

    they say stuff like: " she were mad at me" or "we was hungry" or " i were tired"

    i just hope it doesnt rub off on me, because OH works he's starting to sound like them :x

    DEALofaLifetime;8935399

    :oops:I knaw da mistake i made putteng dee emfazis on the Lazy AND the … :oops:I knaw da mistake i made putteng dee emfazis on the Lazy AND the Bad but that was jus to get ya'lls attencion:w00t:



    I'm detecting hints of chavvy ghetto teen speak mixed with a little bit of US rapper at the end there.

    The lack of understanding of the difference between there, their and they're is another one. Alas, I sound like a snobby grammar Nazi now, so I won't continue. I so could though! lol

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    cookiemonster83;8935479

    I'm detecting hints of chavvy ghetto teen speak mixed with a little bit … I'm detecting hints of chavvy ghetto teen speak mixed with a little bit of US rapper at the end there.



    Spot on mi muchacho querido!:-D

    Me tired, I go bed now. Nap nap time and when sun rise we wills wake up.

    lumoruk;8935322

    Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for … Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for poor English? no!? just me, okay bye.



    Yeah, bye. If only..........

    I have seen lots of people from other countries who speak perfect English … I have seen lots of people from other countries who speak perfect English but they have trouble understanding and communicating with working class people and most of the time I have to act as a translator =)What are your thoughts on this subject guys?



    Seriously, your translating, so there is your answer. The problem is languages are taught from textbooks and not many English speakers ever interact with English people on a daily basis. So their grasp of the language is inferior. With time it will get better.

    I know you think it is bad English, or lazy but a foreigner will not see it like that. Just like we don't see it like that between all the different dialects in other countries. They are hard to learn, but lets be honest here, part of learning a language is speaking it well and understanding it all, whether it is wrong/slang or heavily accented.

    The main point is, it is like this in pretty much every country. The language you learn from a book and what is considered 'proper' is in fact only a small part of the full language.

    what/which them/those often get confused too.

    e.g. "get me one of them cakes" "what outfit should I wear?"

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    of course language has always been contractions, colloquialisms and other strange influences, it has changed dramatically, try reading for example, The diary of Samual Pepys, it's very hard to work with

    I should think the next few influences on the language will be because of technology, the detached reality of email, leading to short, somewhat impassive messages, along with txt speak, shorted words, lazy spelling, missing words etc

    lumoruk;8935322

    Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for … Anyone else scared to post in this thread for fear of being mocked for poor English? no!? just me, okay bye.



    I am scared to post for fear of being labeled prejudiced though...But I have to agree.

    Accents are all part of being British. Yorkshire, geordie, scouse, cockney, the queens english, welsh, Scottish. Then each region has broader or less broad variations, i.e Leeds is less broad than Barnsley.

    What I class as common are those that always include swearing in every conversation and crudeness, as opposed to sounding like a yorkshireman = common.

    The one thing I do hate is text speak becoming mainstream, such as people saying 'lol' out loud and 'wtf'

    As for grammar I do not see the need for people to be grammar nazi's. I'm not an English teacher so I do not care and who cares aslong as your point comes across!

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    Because it doesnt matter ! Strong nerd vibe on this thread

    super_leeds_86;8936151

    Accents are all part of being British. Yorkshire, geordie, scouse, … Accents are all part of being British. Yorkshire, geordie, scouse, cockney, the queens english, welsh, Scottish. Then each region has broader or less broad variations, i.e Leeds is less broad than Barnsley. What I class as common are those that always include swearing in every conversation and crudeness, as opposed to sounding like a yorkshireman = common.The one thing I do hate is text speak becoming mainstream, such as people saying 'lol' out loud and 'wtf'As for grammar I do not see the need for people to be grammar nazi's. I'm not an English teacher so I do not care and who cares aslong as your point comes across!



    Scottish isnt an accent as such, not sure about Welsh or Irish but I assume it is the same idea, and before anyone starts I am talking about regional dialects, someone from Dumfries area would sound different than someone from Glasgow who would sound different than someone from Edinburgh just with the stereotypical base Scots accent.

    totally agreed:whistling:

    I am from lancashire, and speak with as much of an accent as I choose... I am no brain box, but when I was a teen, I was called a snob for using words with more than 4 letters in them... I can speak very well, or very badly... it now depends on who I am speaking to!!! :oops:

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    I wish people would stop calling these type of people ' working class'. Most of them have never worked a day in their lives and are proud of it.

    language moves on, sometimes in decline but sometimes for the better.
    why don't we all speak in shakespearian dialects?
    is that real English?

    windhoek;8935175

    I think it's predominantly the result of socialisation. Each of is us is … I think it's predominantly the result of socialisation. Each of is us is exposed to micro and macro cultures and we each adopt and reject aspects of each; slang, dialect and colloquialisms are such aspects.



    What's a micro culture?

    i think it all depends where in the country you were brought up/schools etc.

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    greyparrot;8937430

    i think it all depends where in the country you were brought up/schools … i think it all depends where in the country you were brought up/schools etc.



    I think it also depends on your parents values and education.

    Hope you are well GP :thumbsup:

    DLM;8937438

    I think it also depends on your parents values and education.Hope you are … I think it also depends on your parents values and education.Hope you are well GP :thumbsup:



    i am fine hun. you enjoying your new job.

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    csiman;8936602

    I wish people would stop calling these type of people ' working class'. … I wish people would stop calling these type of people ' working class'. Most of them have never worked a day in their lives and are proud of it.



    you are clearly a plank:roll:

    so anyone who doesnt live in the home counties doesnt work.......

    It's not like this is a problem in the UK, it's the whole world.

    Once someone is used to a language, it's normal to use different words etc.

    Kinda like playing an FPS then once you get used to the game you change the config to how "you" like it.

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    Wotwot123;8937513

    It's not like this is a problem in the UK, it's the whole world.Once … It's not like this is a problem in the UK, it's the whole world.Once someone is used to a language, it's normal to use different words etc.Kinda like playing an FPS then once you get used to the game you change the config to how "you" like it.



    :? double take then
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