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    Why do South American countries produce such good footballers?

    How can a country like Uruguary (who have won the world cup twice), with a population of 3.5 million people, produce a world beating team and England, with a population of about 70 million, can't? And say 1.5m of their 3.5m population were women, 1m were pensioners or children and 500k had beer guts and bad mustaches, that leaves a 500k pool of potential footballers and still they find a winning team! We haven't even mentioned the likes of the Argies, Brazil, mexico etc... So what are they doing right or what are we doing wrong?!!

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    they live in poverty and have nothing else to do....its a way out

    i don't know much about it but don't we hire half these people to play for premiership teams and spend millions coaching them?

    casparwhite;8953744

    they live in poverty and have nothing else to do....its a way out



    regrettably...you are most likely right CW ! They learn their skills on the streets. Pineaar the SA captain said as much too in a Docu early in the world cup.

    Im guessing it could have something to do with the following : weather,lifestyle and also a better pool of home grown talent to choose from because of less foreign players playing in their leagues.

    Plus a lot of our kids are couch potatoes - playing xbox, PS3 or whatever, on computers that they're not encouraged to be active enough outside. Don't think schools even promote football enough. Could do with more help in schools promoting all sorts of sports etc.

    coke, coffee, chocolate, sugar and football...............

    oh and decent looking women

    I believe the coaching is different too. Ajax (Obviously not in South America) don't even introduce a goal until the child reaches 12-13 years old so that they can learn the art of passing first and not to be afraid of the ball.

    The English mentality has usually been 'Get stuck in son'

    Fear of being shot for being crap at the game.

    Because as our kids grow into young men they soon realise that in Sunday league football the aim is to get p*****d the night before and break someones leg and end the game in a fight on the Sunday.

    casparwhite;8953744

    they live in poverty and have nothing else to do....its a way out



    And Southern Europe ?.

    No doubt it's a contributory factor - much like cricket in the sub-continent, but there's an element of natural skill too. Many of the great footballer this country produced were working-class - almost fitting into what Mueller said yesterday.

    Grass roots football is to blame IMO. We are not training our young kids in the correct way.

    If it were just to do with the financial state of the country it wouldn't explain Spain, Portugal, France and Italy.

    If it was to do with the lazyness of our kids how come the USA are ranked so highly as they are the biggest couch potatoes.

    Our kids are being trained to be bigger, stronger, hit the ball harder and further. Until this training is changed at young boys level we have no chance of ever progressing the standard of football.

    There must be 10 million boys in this country, you're not telling me around 50-100 of these couldn't be trained into a standard good enough for the premier league by the time they are 16-18?

    greg_68;8954254

    Because as our kids grow into young men they soon realise that in Sunday … Because as our kids grow into young men they soon realise that in Sunday league football the aim is to get p*****d the night before and break someones leg and end the game in a fight on the Sunday.



    :lol: the sunday league i play in is a bit different but its mainly students from the uni so we all get ****** the night before but there is a mutual respect between most teams so there not much violence

    South American countries appear to have a love and passion for the great game.

    That combined with poverty, and good weather, may be the key.

    Practice makes perfect anywhere though, I'd imagine. ;-)

    With all the 'academies' that have been up and running for a few years now, how many players have you seen at your supported club that have come up through the youth system in the last 5-10 years.

    I can only think of less than 5 down the Villa.

    Personally theres probably enough talent out there but not getting much recognition.

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    greg_68;8954613

    With all the 'academies' that have been up and running for a few years … With all the 'academies' that have been up and running for a few years now, how many players have you seen at your supported club that have come up through the youth system in the last 5-10 years.I can only think of less than 5 down the Villa.


    milner, lennon, delph, white, howson, rose........

    casparwhite;8954665

    milner, lennon, delph, white, howson, rose........



    So two playing regular Premiership football from the last 5-10 years. :thinking:

    I think Premier league teams need at least a 2 player cap on foreign players playing in their starting lineup. I also think England need to play more often together as a team so they can get to know each other & gel as a team.:thumbsup:

    In England/Britain there is a "if he tries to take it round you, hit him hard and he won't do it again son" culture. This is probably the main reason why British teams produce very little players with good technical ability.

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    greg_68;8954688

    So two playing regular Premiership football from the last 5-10 years. … So two playing regular Premiership football from the last 5-10 years. :thinking:



    thats just a few from the top of my head........from 1 club which isnt even in the premiership:thumbsup:

    btw those 2 are in the england squad

    Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South Africa, Mexico and South Korea hardly world beating.

    The difference is there strikers are performing, take away Forlan and Suarez they have nothing. You only have to look at England with an underperforming Rooney to see how important a firing striker is

    the majority of teams that have progressed have had their main strikers doing well
    Spain - Villa
    Argies - Higuain
    Brazil - Luis Fabiano
    Uruguay - Forlan/Suarez
    Ghana - Gyan
    Germany - Klose/Podolski

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    DJNG22;8954833

    Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South … Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South Africa, Mexico and South Korea hardly world beating.The difference is there strikers are performing, take away Forlan and Suarez they have nothing. You only have to look at England with an underperforming Rooney.the majority of teams that have progressed have had their main strikers doing wellSpain - VillaArgies - HiguainBrazil - Luis FabianoUruguay - Forlan/SuarezGhana - Gyan Germany - Klose/Podolski



    exactly, plus they dont have anywhere near the amount of games the english league has with 2/3 other cups thrown in as well

    just look at klose record in the bundesliga........its laughable
    how did forlan get on at man utd?

    DJNG22;8954833

    Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South … Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South Africa, Mexico and South Korea hardly world beating.The difference is there strikers are performing, take away Forlan and Suarez they have nothing. You only have to look at England with an underperforming Rooney.the majority of teams that have progressed have had their main strikers doing wellSpain - VillaArgies - HiguainBrazil - Luis FabianoUruguay - Forlan/SuarezGhana - Gyan Germany - Klose/Podolski



    ^^This^^

    All it boils down to is not making mistakes at the back and putting away the chances you create.

    David James made 2 awful mistakes against Germany possibly his fault as much as the defenders. Rob Green made one too.

    Rooney and Heskey didnt finish their chances. All there is to it.

    DJNG22;8954833

    Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South … Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South Africa, Mexico and South Korea hardly world beating.The difference is there strikers are performing, take away Forlan and Suarez they have nothing. You only have to look at England with an underperforming Rooney to see how important a firing striker isthe majority of teams that have progressed have had their main strikers doing wellSpain - VillaArgies - HiguainBrazil - Luis FabianoUruguay - Forlan/SuarezGhana - Gyan Germany - Klose/Podolski



    Thanks for confirming what the rest of the world have known for the last few years....England are a just a one man team :thumbsup:

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    modoc;8954890

    Thanks for confirming what the rest of the world have known for the last … Thanks for confirming what the rest of the world have known for the last few years....England are a just a one man team :thumbsup:



    i dont quite understand your logic in quoting those posts then answering with what you have.,......

    is it a defintion of nonsense?

    casparwhite;8954916

    i dont quite understand your logic in quoting those posts then answering … i dont quite understand your logic in quoting those posts then answering with what you have.,......is it a defintion of nonsense?



    above post now edited :thumbsup:

    BTW A definition of nonsense is Englands world cup performance

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    modoc;8954927

    above post now edited :thumbsup:



    is it still a defintion of nonsense?

    i dont understand can you digress

    DJNG22;8954833

    Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South … Uruguay have hardly set the tournament alight. They have only beat South Africa, Mexico and South Korea hardly world beating.The difference is there strikers are performing, take away Forlan and Suarez they have nothing. You only have to look at England with an underperforming Rooney to see how important a firing striker isthe majority of teams that have progressed have had their main strikers doing wellSpain - VillaArgies - HiguainBrazil - Luis FabianoUruguay - Forlan/SuarezGhana - Gyan Germany - Klose/Podolski



    I disagree, Argentina's main striker is Messi, Uruguay have a really good centre of midfield and Gyan scoring two penalties does not constitute having a great world cup: he scored one from open play, which make Defoe just as good.

    casparwhite;8954934

    is it still a defintion of nonsense?i dont understand can you digress



    OK then I'll spell it out for you...the post was about how Englands main striker did not turn up so they failed miserably.

    Spain - Torres has been poor, they have still qualified.
    Holland - Van Persie, Huntelaar not really great so far...still qualified.
    Argentina - Messi hasn't scored....they have still qualified.
    Brazil - Robinho has been so so...they have still qualified.
    Portugal - Jeez even Ronaldo had a stinker and they managed to get further than England.

    My point is that the top footballing nations are not reliant on one man to produce the goods in the way that England are.

    casparwhite;8954934

    is it still a defintion of nonsense?i dont understand can you digress



    Is that a subtle joke , misuse of a word or should i wish i googled digress before i decided to comment?

    modoc;8954890

    Thanks for confirming what the rest of the world have known for the last … Thanks for confirming what the rest of the world have known for the last few years....England are a just a one man team :thumbsup:



    You dont get the point........

    Rooney has been average at best for England since 2004 which was the last time he scored a goal in a major tournament.

    England is definitely not a one man team , We wouldn't of qualified for the World Cup on the back of Rooney's performances alone I can assure you.

    My point is teams do well and progress if their striker (whomever that may be) is banging them in. Ours didn't and that is why we are home.

    Spain - They have Villa who despite Torres has been their main striker for a few years look at his goalscoring record for Spain.
    Holland - have been far from convincing so far (deflected goals, opposition errors), and unless they improve dramatically they will lose to Brazil
    Argentina - Messi hasn't scored....Higuain has 4 goals, Tevez 2, they are the goalscorers
    Brazil - Robinho has been so so...Robinho has played well set up goals, linked play, Fabiano is their striker and is scoring.

    I didnt say England are a one man team, I said unless you have a striker scoring goals you are going to struggle.

    dungavel;8955005

    Is that a subtle joke , misuse of a word or should i wish i googled … Is that a subtle joke , misuse of a word or should i wish i googled digress before i decided to comment?



    Probably a stupid attempt at humour.

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    modoc;8954991

    OK then I'll spell it out for you...the post was about how Englands main … OK then I'll spell it out for you...the post was about how Englands main striker did not turn up so they failed miserably.Spain - Torres has been poor, they have still qualified.Holland - Van Persie, Huntelaar not really great so far...still qualified.Argentina - Messi hasn't scored....they have still qualified.Brazil - Robinho has been so so...they have still qualified.My point is that the top footballing nations are not reliant on one man to produce the goods in the way that England are.



    are you trying to say robinho is brasils best striker?:w00t:

    have you happened to miss all the talk and controversy that is going on about what happened at the world cup

    you are attempting to compare the incomparable........how about comparing statistics like how many games they have all played over the season or something objective rather than spouting your personal nonsense opinion......or trolling should i say

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    modoc;8955015

    Probably a stupid attempt at humour.



    so it wasnt lost then ,even though it was at your expense:thumbsup:

    casparwhite;8955016

    are you trying to say robinho is brasils best striker?:w00t:have you … are you trying to say robinho is brasils best striker?:w00t:have you happened to miss all the talk and controversy that is going on about what happened at the world cupyou are attempting to compare the incomparable........how about comparing statistics like how many games they have all played over the season or something objective rather than spouting your personal nonsense opinion......or trolling should i say



    Okay then, ignore Robinho for a second. What about Torres, Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie and Huntelaar? Is it 2 goals between them all, yet their teams are sitting nicely in the quarter finals.

    My point is that the top teams are not reliant on one player/striker (call it whatever you like) to produce the goods.

    casparwhite;8955031

    so it wasnt lost then ,even though it was at your expense:thumbsup:



    Could be worse, I could be English I suppose. :-D

    greg_68;8954503

    Grass roots football is to blame IMO. We are not training our young kids … Grass roots football is to blame IMO. We are not training our young kids in the correct way.If it were just to do with the financial state of the country it wouldn't explain Spain, Portugal, France and Italy.If it was to do with the lazyness of our kids how come the USA are ranked so highly as they are the biggest couch potatoes.Our kids are being trained to be bigger, stronger, hit the ball harder and further. Until this training is changed at young boys level we have no chance of ever progressing the standard of football.There must be 10 million boys in this country, you're not telling me around 50-100 of these couldn't be trained into a standard good enough for the premier league by the time they are 16-18?



    Very well put, and basically what I alluded to.

    Beckenbauer wasn't far off the mark either. I mean, the Germans, prior and post the thumping reality check, have been giving us huge coaching tips, much more than any Italian!. What say we hire a German, Klinsmann ?.

    casparwhite;8954869

    exactly, plus they dont have anywhere near the amount of games the … exactly, plus they dont have anywhere near the amount of games the english league has with 2/3 other cups thrown in as welljust look at klose record in the bundesliga........its laughablehow did forlan get on at man utd?



    How's he performed in La Liga and the Champions League ?.

    On the international stage and in Spain, he's thrived, which alot of technical players do.

    casparwhite;8954869

    exactly, plus they dont have anywhere near the amount of games the … exactly, plus they dont have anywhere near the amount of games the english league has with 2/3 other cups thrown in as welljust look at klose record in the bundesliga........its laughablehow did forlan get on at man utd?



    what about podolski's :w00t:

    fact is though they have outstanding records for germany so i dont see yout point with that statement.

    What? Uruguay won the world cup and I missed it?

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    micoo;8955335

    what about podolski's :w00t:fact is though they have outstanding records … what about podolski's :w00t:fact is though they have outstanding records for germany so i dont see yout point with that statement.



    the point being like i mentioned is that the english players have had far more games to contend with over the season and especially the top players who are playing in the champions league as well......

    if theyve done nowt all season and then they come to the world cup fresh as........some of our high profiule players havnt had that luxury and are clearly burnt out......gerrard has been on his own at liverpool with added pressure, rooneys played out his skin all season.......etc etc

    try comparing all the players and stats next to each other on paper and im pretty sure you could see some sort of reasoning as to why they havnt performed like some other players there......not to mention the added press,gossip, expectations etc
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