Why Don't You See Any Chavs In Europe?

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Posted 14th Aug 2008
Thought I'd post this for a little amusement along with being a serious question.
Having visited quite a few countries in western europe over the last few months, one thing really struck me, you don't seem to see any 'chavs', by that I mean the baseball capped or hoodies with the adidas track suits etc generally being pretty anti social.
Is this a British phenomenom?
I found it a real pleasure to be able to walk around city centres late at night without having to half look over my shoulder to see who was behind me, there seemed to be a totally relaxed friendly atmosphere as opposed to the rather menacing one you often find in the UK and when you did see the odd person who'd obviously had a few too many there was no threatening behaviour just a bit of a stumble!
Any one got any ideas?
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deleted94709
to faevil ( you left no room to type and quote) lol i brought my kids up on a council estate my son is 24 wears "hoodies" and jeans hanging off his hips, he is an it manager, it's not really about the way you dress it's attitude and you sound like a nice decent family. You are lucky that you have 2 parents that care enough to give you the "tough love" kids being kids will push a parent to the limit regardless of the background, it's part of the pecking order thing so top dog needs to keep everyone in check. lol but i don't believe in being a control freak either, that breeds timid people.
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queenlush;2743188

Imo the parenting of kids in other parts of Europe is a lot stricter than … Imo the parenting of kids in other parts of Europe is a lot stricter than in Britain. That might have something to do with it, they seem to have stronger family values spend more time together as families and teach respect.




Agreed 100%, families are still families.

Stricter yes, but far friendlier and as you say, far more respect for each other.;-)
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Inactive;2744413

Agreed 100%, families are still families.Stricter yes, but far friendlier … Agreed 100%, families are still families.Stricter yes, but far friendlier and as you say, far more respect for each other.;-)



I can comment on this because both my parents were Polish and i was brought up very differently to my friends. I went almost everywhere with them and i used to call all their friends auntie and uncle. My dad was strict but fair, he would tell me off or stop me going somewhere but explain why, i suppose i hated this as a teen but appreciate it now.
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queenlush;2744402

to faevil ( you left no room to type and quote) lol i brought my kids up … to faevil ( you left no room to type and quote) lol i brought my kids up on a council estate my son is 24 wears "hoodies" and jeans hanging off his hips, he is an it manager, it's not really about the way you dress it's attitude and you sound like a nice decent family. You are lucky that you have 2 parents that care enough to give you the "tough love" kids being kids will push a parent to the limit regardless of the background, it's part of the pecking order thing so top dog needs to keep everyone in check. lol but i don't believe in being a control freak either, that breeds timid people.



too much tough love can make the "kid" timid in later life but give them enough space to do their own things but make sure you have your rules and they know to keep to them.

If my dad found out one of us had abused an elderly lady or had kicked some kid in for fun then our asses would be in for a wooping. We would be made to apoligise to the person too..,,,

We have had ipods, PS2, Xbox and everything else a kid wants but we never got it through intimidation,. Our parents would buy the item when they believed we deserved it. so by acting like a child should, respectful and curtoeus (maybe) we got what we wanted. Its that sort of thing the kids need. IM 21 soon and have worked from the age of 13 (paper boy, to bakery help and now a supermarket and if i want something i have to work for it, Kids get it so easy and one reason is cos there parents are not restricting their love. Show them love and attention but don't smother them or they never learn the important things
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deleted84362
I get fed up of hearing that anti social behaviour in youths is because 'they have nothing to do'. Its absolute utter rubbish, there was very little to do in the 80's/early 90's when I was a kid, we had to improvise ....use our imaginations - something that todays youth seem to have forgotten how to do. We never once set about terrorising and offending the general public. If anything rebellion was limited to smoking in the back streets, havin a sneaky drink... but this rebellion was for our parents - to push the boundaries, to test our limits. Nowadays the rebellion is directed at everyone in society and not just their parents. It tests and pushes the boundaries of parents, general public, councils , police, goverments etc.
The reason for this is because children have more rights and powers than they have ever had. Its a case of too much too young. Its okay having rights to protect children against potential abuse, but when they seem to have more rights than adults, you can see why the balance has shifted.
Also these kids are usually get drunk til early hours every weekend because their parents are too busy going out for a booze up, cant get a babysitter to look after their teenagers, so go out and leave them to it. That part is definitely the parents fault.
Sheriff Waffles;2744702

I get fed up of hearing that anti social behaviour in youths is because … I get fed up of hearing that anti social behaviour in youths is because 'they have nothing to do'. Its absolute utter rubbish, there was very little to do in the 80's/early 90's when I was a kid, we had to improvise ....use our imaginations - something that todays youth seem to have forgotten how to do. We never once set about terrorising and offending the general public. If anything rebellion was limited to smoking in the back streets, havin a sneaky drink... but this rebellion was for our parents - to push the boundaries, to test our limits. Nowadays the rebellion is directed at everyone in society and not just their parents. It tests and pushes the boundaries of parents, general public, councils , police, goverments etc.The reason for this is because children have more rights and powers than they have ever had. Its a case of too much too young. Its okay having rights to protect children against potential abuse, but when they seem to have more rights than adults, you can see why the balance has shifted. Also these kids are usually get drunk til early hours every weekend because their parents are too busy going out for a booze up, cant get a babysitter to look after their teenagers, so go out and leave them to it. That part is definitely the parents fault.



I totally agree, children should be children. Age with their yrs and not treated as an adult because they are at high school. Parents need to be parents and ensure they know the difference between right and wrong, not try to be best friends.
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queenlush;2744466

I can comment on this because both my parents were Polish and i was … I can comment on this because both my parents were Polish and i was brought up very differently to my friends. I went almost everywhere with them and i used to call all their friends auntie and uncle. My dad was strict but fair, he would tell me off or stop me going somewhere but explain why, i suppose i hated this as a teen but appreciate it now.



Good for your parents...:thumbsup:

Firm but fair is what is lacking in the UK these days.

Parents just want kids, then they don't want the responsibility of bringing them up properly.
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Also these kids are usually get drunk til early hours every weekend because their parents are too busy going out for a booze up,

Also on the continent children are introduced to alcohol at a very early age. Wine is drank with meals watered down, then obviously more wine and less water as they get older. By the time they can drink it's not such a taboo thing so they don't have to go and drink bottles of vodka on the streets to impress their mates. The police really need to knuckle down and target major trouble spots, but as seen first hand they drive by slowly make their presence felt then drive off again. I think it must be easier to ignore than upset the little darlings.
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Good for your parents...:thumbsup:Firm but fair is what is lacking in the … Good for your parents...:thumbsup:Firm but fair is what is lacking in the UK these days.Parents just want kids, then they don't want the responsibility of bringing them up properly.



It's really sad but the majority that didn't want the kids are the parents of the bad ones.
I have a teenage lad, aged 15. He wears hoodies and trackies occasionally and I don't have a problem with it, I would not call him a chav. There seems to be far too many sterotypical views going round. Some teenagers obviously do cause problems, and these are the ones that make the headlines - you hardly hear anything about the majority who are well behaved.

My son goes and hangs out on the corner of our street with a few mates or goes walking round the village with them, this is about at 10pm at night. They don't do anything bad, they just want to get out the house and socialise! I make sure that he is home by 11 latest, and he always is. The problem is people see teenagers dressed in tracksuits and then automatically assume they are trouble!
You must only have been to the touristy parts of those country's. Ive lived in Spain and France and can guarantee there are chavs, just as bad or worse than they are in the UK.
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i must be really old fashioned then. There is no way on this earth that my 15 year old son would be allowed to wander around the streets at 10 -11 at night. No 1 for a safety aspect and No 2 at that time of night a group of lads whose faces you can't see is very very intimidating, even tho they are not doing anything wrong.
Are some of the certain clothes they wear either sold cheaply or given to them by the British government for families who need financial help? That's what I have been told before but I never really bothered to ask more about it until now.
queenlush;2745276

i must be really old fashioned then. There is no way on this earth that … i must be really old fashioned then. There is no way on this earth that my 15 year old son would be allowed to wander around the streets at 10 -11 at night. No 1 for a safety aspect and No 2 at that time of night a group of lads whose faces you can't see is very very intimidating, even tho they are not doing anything wrong.



Thats my point - people are intimidated even though that is not the aim of some of the teenagers :thumbsup: I trust my son and give him quite a lot of freedom, but there is always a limit, and we get on well. Its not really a rough area round here - but he just wants to get out and go talk to his mates and I have no problem with that
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Slash;2745291

Are some of the certain clothes they wear either sold cheaply or given to … Are some of the certain clothes they wear either sold cheaply or given to them by the British government for families who need financial help? That's what I have been told before but I never really bothered to ask more about it until now.



lol surely you aren't serious :whistling:
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michaelwood;2745294

Thats my point - people are intimidated even though that is not the aim … Thats my point - people are intimidated even though that is not the aim of some of the teenagers :thumbsup: I trust my son and give him quite a lot of freedom, but there is always a limit, and we get on well. Its not really a rough area round here - but he just wants to get out and go talk to his mates and I have no problem with that



Too much freedom is bad lol "give them an inch and they take a mile" kids are wise they can tell you anything lol but i'm glad your son is behaving
queenlush;2745341

Too much freedom is bad lol "give them an inch and they take a mile" … Too much freedom is bad lol "give them an inch and they take a mile" kids are wise they can tell you anything lol but i'm glad your son is behaving



Lol yeah I know what you're saying, but it works both ways, and he respects me (or at least pretends to! ) :thumbsup: It also helps that I know the people who he hangs out, they're a nice lot - despite what they wear!
queenlush;2745341

Too much freedom is bad lol "give them an inch and they take a mile" … Too much freedom is bad lol "give them an inch and they take a mile" kids are wise they can tell you anything lol but i'm glad your son is behaving



I agree with that, I know families that think their teenagers are angels!!! But they are out til all hrs causing disruption and damage to other peoples property ( that is not aimed at you michealwood)
The majority of parents believe what they are told by the kids which would be understandable if they know they have respect for other but unfort half of them havent.
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it does help when you know who they hang around with and they are nice. I would also never say to mine i don't want you to hang around with suchabody.
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deleted94709
Conventional morality is meaningless to a boy who has nothing whatsoever to gain by good behaviour. Personal responsibility means nothing if you have grown up neglected, abused and powerless among adults who hardly know what it is and feel powerless themselves.
Just read this quote from an article and it seems to sum things up nicely
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razta;2745269

You must only have been to the touristy parts of those country's. Ive … You must only have been to the touristy parts of those country's. Ive lived in Spain and France and can guarantee there are chavs, just as bad or worse than they are in the UK.



Not in my experience, I spend about 4/5 months of the year in Spain, the only trouble that I ever see is sadly from Brit kids, and worse, Brit young adults.:roll:
I think it's interesting so many people have strong opinions here, keep em coming!
If my life circumstances allowed I'd be off to France tommorrow:thumbsup:
cycleman;2746053

I think it's interesting so many people have strong opinions here, keep … I think it's interesting so many people have strong opinions here, keep em coming!If my life circumstances allowed I'd be off to France tommorrow:thumbsup:



I think the majority of people would agree with the comments made by everyone. If we as a country would stand up for what we believe in, the country wouldnt be in such a mess. The one thing you can say about the french is they are not affraid to stand up for their rights
alfie73;2746120

I think the majority of people would agree with the comments made by … I think the majority of people would agree with the comments made by everyone. If we as a country would stand up for what we believe in, the country wouldnt be in such a mess. The one thing you can say about the french is they are not affraid to stand up for their rights



Absolutely, and, they don't have our terrible fear of saying 'the wrong thing' when I was talking to some French people in a restaurant and mentioned some of our politically correct madness (better not quote examples...) they genuinely thought I was trying to wind them up.
cycleman;2746196

Absolutely, and, they don't have our terrible fear of saying 'the wrong … Absolutely, and, they don't have our terrible fear of saying 'the wrong thing' when I was talking to some French people in a restaurant and mentioned some of our politically correct madness (better not quote examples...) they genuinely thought I was trying to wind them up.



The words "Freedom of Speech" and "Human Rights" are only every used to benefit the government in this country (in my opinion) They use them to the extreme sometimes to make it look as if they are doing what is right but if they bothered to look closer at what is going in the country they would see they took them away a long time ago.
alfie73;2746262

The words "Freedom of Speech" and "Human Rights" are only every used to … The words "Freedom of Speech" and "Human Rights" are only every used to benefit the government in this country (in my opinion) They use them to the extreme sometimes to make it look as if they are doing what is right but if they bothered to look closer at what is going in the country they would see they took them away a long time ago.



I think you hit the nail on the head their alfie, sad but true, in my humble opinion of course.
KELLY 'N' STEVE

Having to watch you back is normal everywhere you go these days!I think … Having to watch you back is normal everywhere you go these days!I think this thread is very wrong and offensive!I always wear hoodies and i have many hoodies for my little one but i am not a "chav" as you call it - it's just what i wear and feel comfortable in!



It's as a result of people exactly like you that we have the social problems that we do. Your touchy feely bleeding heart stance, coupled with your utter denial of what's really happening in the real world, has lead to these feral benefit children being produced. See, to people like you, discipline is "cruel" and correction is inhumane, when in actual fact, it's EXACTLY what these people need to become useful and productive members of society. Wake the hell up.
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