Wikileaks makes us less safe not more.

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Found 8th Mar
So Samsung TV can listen to criminals, why does Wikileaks think this is a problem for law abiding people.

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Your view is why we're doomed!

Must admit, I also don't agree with leaking information that would put spies or people under cover at risk.

That being said, i'm not surprised at the latest revelations - everything connected to the web is suspect and open to abuse by state operatives or otherwise. I remember reading three or four years ago that a user was monitoring network traffic from his LG (so its not just Samsung) smart TV and it was transmitting the contents of a flash drive he had plugged into it. The biggest revelation by far is where the leak itself has come from......you cant really trust the Americans at all to keep a secret.

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praevalens

Your view is why we're doomed!


doomed, good one.

davewave

doomed, good one.



​Thanks. I didn't want to waste too much time on this so I was succinct. Read up rather than relying on uninformed peers.

oh dear God. Have you even heard of let alone read 1984? If not then read it then rethink your naivety.

Who said it makes us more safe, it's nothing to do with more or less safe, it achieves neither its a moot point. What it does is reveal the truth and we should all be in favour of transparency.

freakstyler

Must admit, I also don't agree with leaking information that would put … Must admit, I also don't agree with leaking information that would put spies or people under cover at risk.That being said, i'm not surprised at the latest revelations - everything connected to the web is suspect and open to abuse by state operatives or otherwise. I remember reading three or four years ago that a user was monitoring network traffic from his LG (so its not just Samsung) smart TV and it was transmitting the contents of a flash drive he had plugged into it. The biggest revelation by far is where the leak itself has come from......you cant really trust the Americans at all to keep a secret.



You know what they say about American intelligence

skipperjonce

oh dear God. Have you even heard of let alone read 1984? If not then read … oh dear God. Have you even heard of let alone read 1984? If not then read it then rethink your naivety.



Big Bro? People willingly publicise every move they make on social media.

splatsplatsplat

Big Bro? People willingly publicise every move they make on social media.



I think you're confusing 'people' with 'idiots'

Curlyman83

I think you're confusing 'people' with 'idiots'



How do you know they are telling the truth and not trying to look interesting.

You never see anyone saying i got up this morning had tea went superdugs to buy sanitary towels, watched tv and fell asleep on the sofa.

You see wooo look at me i went to a Indie gig in a soho bar and partied until dawn.

Error440

How do you know they are telling the truth and not trying to look … How do you know they are telling the truth and not trying to look interesting.You never see anyone saying i got up this morning had tea went superdugs to buy sanitary towels, watched tv and fell asleep on the sofa.You see wooo look at me i went to a Indie gig in a soho bar and partied until dawn.



Those who are constantly on social media websites using their phones are giving away a lot more information than just what they are posting. These websites know where you are, where you've been and what your daily movement patterns are.

would law abiding people, like random strangers sitting in their house listening to their conversation? or is the tv that can do it, less intrusive?

pothole

Those who are constantly on social media websites using their phones are … Those who are constantly on social media websites using their phones are giving away a lot more information than just what they are posting. These websites know where you are, where you've been and what your daily movement patterns are.



You don't need to go on anything, the mobile phone companies track you anyway and very likely sell that info on, they can turn the mic on anytime they like and the camera. This has been known for years, indeed there was a thread about Chinese phones tracking you a few months ago to which i replied i trust the Chinese government with my data more then i trust American companies.

And people nowdays carry the things everywhere inside the home and out, my ex did that he never left the thing alone, it sat on his bedside cupboard at night and was in his pocket or mainly his hand the rest of the day, he like many others didn't need a smart tv or anything else he willingly carried his tracking device everywhere he went.

davewave

Yeah the authorities would have no idea of your political thoughts, you … Yeah the authorities would have no idea of your political thoughts, you wouldn't share that would you? (on say a shopping site.)



Dave why should i fear the government knowing my political thoughts? The day that happens will be the day of revolution, totalitarianism shouldn't be tolerated by the people.

Because you don't decide what is law abiding... what is ok today may suddenly be not tomorrow.

I am NOT and never will be OK with giving up my privacy just because I "have nothing to hide"

I as a human being have a right to privacy and I would like to keep hold of what little rights I have left.

So T May and the rest of the government... go feck yourselves.

It'll be the Amazon Echo next.

As per the other thread, this misc section has some strange views.

Congratulations of being dehumanised by the government OP! Years of media manipulation and so on have converted you into a good little sheep for the government.

Daddio

It'll be the Amazon Echo next.



One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; Amazon will soon take over here. And I for one welcome our new Amazon overlords. I’d like to remind them that I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground kindle caves.

The biggest problem is what happens when the CIA/NSA/GCHQ loose control of these tools, or when the crooks find the flaws in systems that these departments dont report.

It's all well and good saying I dont mind them listening in on my mobile, but when some russian teen gets his hands on leaked CIA tools and drains your bank account, you'll soon complain.

Error440

Dave why should i fear the government knowing my political thoughts? The … Dave why should i fear the government knowing my political thoughts? The day that happens will be the day of revolution, totalitarianism shouldn't be tolerated by the people.



If a revolution was required it would have to come early on, they are taking away privacy a bit at a time so the public don't notice and making it the norm with social media/gadgets.

If you get to the stage where we need to revolt and suddenly the government can hear and see all...were in trouble.

davewave

So Samsung TV can listen to criminals, why does Wikileaks think … So Samsung TV can listen to criminals, why does Wikileaks think this is a problem for law abiding people.https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-cia-documents-us-russia-conflict

Why do law abidding people has a problem? Answer: for the same security and privacy reason why one has a lock to the front door, a safe in a shop, a car door lock, a password lock to one's laptop.....and discretion like: clothes to cover up one's naughty bits, hide when one pick's one's nose....and commercial in confidence like giving a commercial advantage to a third party who then uses those analytics to exploit one...and so on.
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Law abidding does not mean others would be law abidding and commercially friendly so as to reciprocate in one's favour. A case in point is Article 50 triggering, just because UK has nothing to hide, law abidding with the House of Lords, does not mean we should not hide our hands.
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Law abidding does not mean one gets a sticker on one's forehead so others would see this sticker and respect you and don't exploit and steal from you nor prevent you from being taken for a ride.
Edited by: "splender" 8th Mar

On the cost front, the more they collate and to process, the more it cost us tax payers. Any data collected, irrespective on what, costs money to collate, to store, to process per megabyte.
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Analogy is, in one's household expenditure, if one spends so much money so one needs to borrow money from a bank to buy more security data collection devices, employ people to process and to store one's data , then it is reasonable for one to question why one spend's more in this than the household food bill.

Wikileaks think they're being clever telling us Samsung TV's have been hacked.

They obviously haven't seen Gogglebox on Channel 4. Noobs.

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splender

On the cost front, the more they collate and to process, the more it cost … On the cost front, the more they collate and to process, the more it cost us tax payers. Any data collected, irrespective on what, costs money to collate, to store, to process per megabyte..Analogy is, in one's household expenditure, if one spends so much money so one needs to borrow money from a bank to buy more security data collection devices, employ people to process and to store one's data , then it is reasonable for one to question why one spend's more in this than the household food bill.



​if it helps to prevent attacks in UK would it be cost effective?

The jews in 1920s Germany had "nothing to hide".

davewave

​if it helps to prevent attacks in UK would it be cost effective?


Let us know here after you have donated money and how much money that you are prepared to pay more to prevent attacks to here supportpolice.com/ to prevent attacks, or donate/sponsor here bbc.co.uk/new…574

Rubisco

The jews in 1920s Germany had "nothing to hide".


A leader of USA just said journalists are the enemies of the people. Will some journalists start to get locked up in the future?!

splender

A leader of USA just said journalists are the enemies of the people. Will … A leader of USA just said journalists are the enemies of the people. Will some journalists start to get locked up in the future?!



I can see it happening. Trumpettes will celebrate that day. It would not surprise me if CNN/NY Times suffered a Charlie Hebdo style attack from a brainwashed rabid loon.

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Rubisco

The jews in 1920s Germany had "nothing to hide".



​no, they didn't, do you think our government shouldn't be tackling the Islamist terrorists, an odd analogy.

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splender

A leader of USA just said journalists are the enemies of the people. Will … A leader of USA just said journalists are the enemies of the people. Will some journalists start to get locked up in the future?!



​probably not.

davewave

​no, they didn't, do you think our government shouldn't be tackling the I … ​no, they didn't, do you think our government shouldn't be tackling the Islamist terrorists, an odd analogy.


Of course they do tackle terrorist by spending, probably started in the Middle Ages if not before, the question is how many more £billions we want to pay extra, which translates to up to how many thousands of pounds per head you want to raise VAT or income tax to pay for more. For example, how about whacking up VAT from 20% to 30%? You can google this, I think a rough figure is 100 billion US$ that UK spends on anti-terror.

A lot of these exploits are zero day so they could not be used for mass surveillance.
I think people overreact to thinking that the government is looking to spy on everyone.
People working in our intelligence communities are generally decent people with respect for the rule of law and their fellow citizens.
These leaks damage our ability to fight our adversaries and terrorism.
They probably originate in Russia and are anti-Western.
At least wikileaks had a small amount of decency to redact names this time.
I think it's good to have some checks on what the government and security services are up to but these huge tranches of leaks are a gift to Russia, who hacked and leaked to help Trump get into office, China, Iran and everyone else.
Edited by: "Cr0m" 8th Mar

Nothing to hide? Lets make all bank statements, medical records and passwords public information.
Edited by: "david_wavid" 8th Mar

The article doesn't mention Samsung at all davewave. Which privacy issue should law abiding people be more concerned with. The one you are alluding to, or the one mentioned in the article?

davewave

​no, they didn't, do you think our government shouldn't be tackling the I … ​no, they didn't, do you think our government shouldn't be tackling the Islamist terrorists, an odd analogy.


If an Orwellian dystopia is what we're otherwise expected to suffer under, then let them burn it all down for all I care.

moneysavingkitten

The article doesn't mention Samsung at all davewave. Which privacy issue … The article doesn't mention Samsung at all davewave. Which privacy issue should law abiding people be more concerned with. The one you are alluding to, or the one mentioned in the article?


Plenty of other publications do though, including the Mirror and the Independent! Your Samsung smart TVs can be used as a covert microphone!

IT wasn't too long ago that half of the U.K. Secret service were Soviet spies. Most of them somehow managed to escape, presumably with the assistance of others who didn't get caught. Ordinary people aren't the only ones spied on and since blackmail is far cheaper than bribery, perhaps this explains the antics of our politicians who consistently do things that are detrimental to ordinary citizens.

haritori

One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; Amazon will soon … One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; Amazon will soon take over here. And I for one welcome our new Amazon overlords. I’d like to remind them that I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground kindle caves.


I think you mean sky 'dungeons' hari
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Just because the cuddly kitten friendly CIA has this tech doesn't mean it can and has been used by 'criminals'
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The irony there quite deliberate
Edited by: "Wongy110" 8th Mar

Moonwolf1976

Plenty of other publications do though, including the Mirror and the … Plenty of other publications do though, including the Mirror and the Independent! Your Samsung smart TVs can be used as a covert microphone!



I know. You're entirely missing the point I was making. Who is listening also relevant, not just how.

promithius

The biggest problem is what happens when the CIA/NSA/GCHQ loose control … The biggest problem is what happens when the CIA/NSA/GCHQ loose control of these tools, or when the crooks find the flaws in systems that these departments dont report. It's all well and good saying I dont mind them listening in on my mobile, but when some russian teen gets his hands on leaked CIA tools and drains your bank account, you'll soon complain.




Lose control or the crooks find the flaws? Who do you think they are employing, the best hackers don't get trained to do it by a government training course, the governments are relying on the crooks as are large companies.
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