Found 7th Sep 2007
My brother just bought a Mac laptop, but needs windows xp on there too.

Is this possible? What is the best way to do it? And how much will it cost?

Any help will be appreciated and rep will be given!! :thumbsup:

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Yes it's possible.

Apple have released Boot Camp which enables you to install XP on Intel Macs and allows you to choose between Windows and OS X on start up (you have to restart to switch OS).

It's free and you can get more information and download it from here:
apple.com/mac…mp/

Also there are retail programs like Parallels that allow you to use Windows side by side with OS X without having to reboot unlike Boot Camp:
parallels.com/en/…op/

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Ian182

My brother just bought a Mac laptop, but needs windows xp on there too.Is … My brother just bought a Mac laptop, but needs windows xp on there too.Is this possible? What is the best way to do it? And how much will it cost?Any help will be appreciated and rep will be given!! :thumbsup:


do what vazza says

but Windows dont like mac and mac dont like windows :thumbsup:

Original Poster

Awesome, thanks for that!!

h4x3r

do what vazza saysbut Windows dont like mac and mac dont like windows … do what vazza saysbut Windows dont like mac and mac dont like windows :thumbsup:



It's true that Windows PCs don't like running OS X but Windows XP on Mac using Boot Camp is very stable...I've been using XP on my Macbook and iMac without any problems.

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Vazza

It's true that Windows PCs don't like running OS X but Windows XP on Mac … It's true that Windows PCs don't like running OS X but Windows XP on Mac using Boot Camp is very stable...I've been using XP on my Macbook and iMac without any problems.


when i said dont like i mean enimies!

Oh right, my mistake :oops:

Ian182

My brother just bought a Mac laptop, but needs windows xp on there too.Is … My brother just bought a Mac laptop, but needs windows xp on there too.Is this possible? What is the best way to do it? And how much will it cost?Any help will be appreciated and rep will be given!! :thumbsup:



As he has just bought one im assuming its an intel based mac... unless its an older model which he maybe bought second hand that didnt use intel chips.

If its the new intel based ones then either of the options suggested will work great, however if its an older model then either of those two options wont work.... but you can use a program called virtual pc that will allow you to run windows.

Vazza

Yes it's possible. Apple have released Boot Camp which enables you to … Yes it's possible. Apple have released Boot Camp which enables you to install XP on Intel Macs and allows you to choose between Windows and OS X on start up (you have to restart to switch OS).It's free and you can get more information and download it from here:http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/Also there are retail programs like Parallels that allow you to use Windows side by side with OS X without having to reboot unlike Boot Camp:http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/



Seconded, I'd say Parallels is the better option, it may be the more expensive route but it's well worth it as with it's Coherence mode you can run Windows applications in OSX just like they're native Mac apps.

Just remember that Windows on a Mac is still Windows, it still has all the security headaches you don't have to worry about with Mac's.

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megalomaniac

security headaches you don't have to worry about with Mac's.




Im running 9 windows computers 3 windows laptops, 2 servers, ive got no

security headaches

h4x3r

Im running 9 windows computers 3 windows laptops, 2 servers, ive got no



electricity company must love you :-D

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daniel_r

electricity company must love you :-D



Ohh yes they do :oops:

h4x3r

Im running 9 windows computers 3 windows laptops, 2 servers, ive got no



Depends what you mean by headache....

Checklist for securing a Mac running OSX:
[LIST]
[*]Not much to do it's pretty secure out of the box, of course you can still make it more secure if you're über paranoid or running a web server but it's out of the box settings are plenty for most users.
[*]Run update utility, and continue working while it beavers away in the background.
[/LIST]

Checklist for securing a PC running Linux:
[LIST]
[*]As above, depending on the distribution of course
[/LIST]

Checklist for securing a PC running Windows:
[LIST]
[*]Install anti virus.
[*]Install firewall (as the windows built in one has about as many holes as a sieve).
[*]Close all the pesky ports windows leaves wide open by default.
[*]Disable remote assistance and a truck load of other non essential services commonly exploited by hackers / malware.
[*]If the machine's accessed by regular non techy users then disable half the features of IE, Outlook and any other malware friendly application you happen to have installed.
[*]Download and install several tonnes of security updates, and realise you can't actually do anything while it's installing updates as your machine slows to a crawl.
[*]Download and install all the latest device drivers. There's a particularly entertaining exploit in Vista involving graphics card drivers that opens up the kernel to attack.
[*]etc.
[*]etc.
[/LIST]

As well as Boot Camp and Parallels, it may be worth looking at VMware Fusion: ]http//ww…on/.

Like Parallels it uses virtualization and you will have to pay for it but also comes with a downloadable trial so you can see how well it works for your brother's needs. If he holds off activating Windows while he tries each of them out he should have no problems. Once he has decided, he can set up the virtual machine's virtual hardware as he wants it before properly installing Windows.

Virtualization means you can run both Mac OS X and Windows at the same time and transfer files to and fro easily. It is worth reading through the Parallels and VMware fusion forums to get an idea of the level of support each company provides and any problems that users are encountering.
VMware Fusion: ]http//ww…371
Parallels Desktop: ]http//fo…tml

Both products have easy install options for Windows to simplify its installation (VMware definitely). I think you can also use them to run Windows from your Boot Camp partition (if you have one) too. Boot Camp will be faster (especially games) as the hardware is being accessed directly but for normal desktop use there will be little in it and the convenience of a virtual machine outweighs any minor speed losses.

I use VMware Fusion on a MacBook to occasionally run Windows XP (useful when I needed to upgrade the firmware on some of our mp3 players and when I needed to convert some DRM-ed WMA files to mp3s (using Mac OS) so I could play them on the mp3 players) but mostly for Ubuntu Linux.

If your brother wants to run Windows XP, he will still need a licence for Windows on that machine.

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megalomaniac

Depends what you mean by headache....Checklist for securing a Mac running … Depends what you mean by headache....Checklist for securing a Mac running OSX:[LIST][*]Not much to do it's pretty secure out of the box, of course you can still make it more secure if you're über paranoid or running a web server but it's out of the box settings are plenty for most users.[*]Run update utility, and continue working while it beavers away in the background.[/LIST]Checklist for securing a PC running Linux:[LIST][*]As above, depending on the distribution of course[/LIST]Checklist for securing a PC running Windows:[LIST][*]Install anti virus.[*]Install firewall (as the windows built in one has about as many holes as a sieve).[*]Close all the pesky ports windows leaves wide open by default.[*]Disable remote assistance and a truck load of other non essential services commonly exploited by hackers / malware.[*]If the machine's accessed by regular non techy users then disable half the features of IE, Outlook and any other malware friendly application you happen to have installed.[*]Download and install several tonnes of security updates, and realise you can't actually do anything while it's installing updates as your machine slows to a crawl.[*]Download and install all the latest device drivers. There's a particularly entertaining exploit in Vista involving graphics card drivers that opens up the kernel to attack.[*]etc.[*]etc.[/LIST]



We always get into an argument!

Well............. thats not true when you buy a new machine it comes with everything preinstalled :giggle: all you need to do is run the update

I dont see how you can say its more secure, mac is just n00b proof

Honestly ive been running my setup for about 3 years and haven't caught one virus


And nowadays you dont need a software firewall everyone is running routers with bulit in firewall

Your telling me when you buy a new machine is not pre ininstalled with a anti virus or firewall?
I dont disable remote assistance ive never had hackers ?


Anyway if a hacker wanted to hack your machine they would most likely need personal infomation so they wouldnt need remote :whistling:

Stop being an mac fan!

The only reason there are more virus for windoes is because they can spread fast because Microsofft own 90% of the market share :w00t:

h4x3r

We always get into an argument!



Yeah rather fun isn't it :thumbsup:

h4x3r

Well............. thats not true when you buy a new machine it comes with … Well............. thats not true when you buy a new machine it comes with everything preinstalled :giggle: all you need to do is run the update



True but that varies massively, some companies supply AV software some don't. Some supply good AV software, some supply **** AV software that's not even worth running.

h4x3r

I dont see how you can say its more secure, mac is just n00b proof



Exactly, the vast majority of users have no clue what a firewall actually does or why the tech guys keep telling them not to open email attachments. Hell some even struggle to find the power button. That's one reason why Apple are getting record sales at the mo, people want something that just works where they don't have to keep asking someone else how to do things.

h4x3r

Honestly ive been running my setup for about 3 years and haven't caught … Honestly ive been running my setup for about 3 years and haven't caught one virus



I didn't say you couldn't secure it pretty well if you know what you're doing, still takes a lot more steps than securing a Mac or Linux box.

h4x3r

And nowadays you dont need a software firewall everyone is running … And nowadays you dont need a software firewall everyone is running routers with bulit in firewall



Hardware firewalls are better but they're still not infallible and they're only as good as the way they're set up, I always recommend running both. Besides routers (particularly wireless ones) often come with all forms of security turned off, that's not a good thing in anyone's book and if you're average joe user you'll probably never realise.

h4x3r

Your telling me when you buy a new machine is not pre ininstalled with a … Your telling me when you buy a new machine is not pre ininstalled with a anti virus or firewall?I dont disable remote assistance ive never had hackers?



When I buy a new machine it comes in bits! Just because you've had no problems doesn't mean they don't exist, Google "remote assistance vulnerabilities" or similar, there's a long history of security issues with it.

h4x3r

Anyway if a hacker wanted to hack your machine they would most likely … Anyway if a hacker wanted to hack your machine they would most likely need personal infomation so they wouldnt need remote :whistling:



Why would you need personal information, you never heard of port scanners or Trojans?

h4x3r

Stop being an mac fan!



I'm sat on a Windows XP machine as we speak, I use Visual Studio regularly. Actually that's one thing along with games that neither Mac nor Linux have managed to match yet.

But yeah I am a Mac fan, my dad has one and he loves it to pieces and tbh so do I. You see he has stopped calling me every five minutes for tech support since buying one, hell even my mum finds it easy and in my book that makes it a work of pure genius.

I'm also a Linux fan, open source is the way forward they just need to iron out the kinks.

But then I'm a MS fan too, or at least I was, Visual Studio is very useful and I've used every version of Windows since 3.11 regularly. The exception is of course Vista, which can burn in the depths hell from whence it was spawned.

h4x3r

The only reason there are more virus for windoes is because they can … The only reason there are more virus for windoes is because they can spread fast because Microsofft own 90% of the market share :w00t:



Not true, virus's spread like wildfire on Windows because the basic security model is poor. Mac and Linux share a much more fundamentally secure model which means if if your user account gets infected with a virus it's almost impossible for it to spread or cripple the whole machine unless you do something very very stupid.

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megalomaniac

Yeah rather fun isn't it :thumbsup: True but that varies massively, some … Yeah rather fun isn't it :thumbsup: True but that varies massively, some companies supply AV software some don't. Some supply good AV software, some supply **** AV software that's not even worth running.Exactly, the vast majority of users have no clue what a firewall actually does or why the tech guys keep telling them not to open email attachments. Hell some even struggle to find the power button. That's one reason why Apple are getting record sales at the mo, people want something that just works where they don't have to keep asking someone else how to do things.I didn't say you couldn't secure it pretty well if you know what you're doing, still takes a lot more steps than securing a Mac or Linux box.Hardware firewalls are better but they're still not infallible and they're only as good as the way they're set up, I always recommend running both. Besides routers (particularly wireless ones) often come with all forms of security turned off, that's not a good thing in anyone's book and if you're average joe user you'll probably never realise.When I buy a new machine it comes in bits! Just because you've had no problems doesn't mean they don't exist, Google "remote assistance vulnerabilities" or similar, there's a long history of security issues with it.Why would you need personal information, you never heard of port scanners or Trojans?I'm sat on a Windows XP machine as we speak, I use Visual Studio regularly. Actually that's one thing along with games that neither Mac nor Linux have managed to match yet.But yeah I am a Mac fan, my dad has one and he loves it to pieces and tbh so do I. You see he has stopped calling me every five minutes for tech support since buying one, hell even my mum finds it easy and in my book that makes it a work of pure genius.I'm also a Linux fan, open source is the way forward they just need to iron out the kinks.But then I'm a MS fan too, or at least I was, Visual Studio is very useful and I've used every version of Windows since 3.11 regularly. The exception is of course Vista, which can burn in the depths hell from whence it was spawned.Not true, virus's spread like wildfire on Windows because the basic security model is poor. Mac and Linux share a much more fundamentally secure model which means if if your user account gets infected with a virus it's almost impossible for it to spread or cripple the whole machine unless you do something very very stupid.



Yes its fun!


Anyway your making it sound like every general home windows user has a problem with there machine?

When ever I fix peoples machines the only problem i ever see is spy ware or ad ware which is caused by download from p2p client

other then that its fine

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I have to TOTALLY disagree with the following statement

Not true, virus's spread like wildfire on Windows because the basic … Not true, virus's spread like wildfire on Windows because the basic security model is poor. Mac and Linux share a much more fundamentally secure model which means if if your user account gets infected with a virus it's almost impossible for it to spread or cripple the whole machine unless you do something very very stupid.[/




Because Micro$osft own about 90% of the market share :w00t: means there is more windows users correct?

That means it can spread over the net faster dont tell me its not true

E.g say Apple own 5% of the market share it will be very hard for a virus to find it self in a mac


Its just easier for the hacker to hack or stick a virus in a windows machines because it can easily be found


Mac is just n00b proof thats why most people perfer it

If you stick them on a windows machine they wont have a clue what to do

h4x3r

Anyway your making it sound like every general home windows user has a … Anyway your making it sound like every general home windows user has a problem with there machine?



Not all but many have, many do and don't even know about it. You have to remember that the vast majority of users are nowhere near as competent as you.

h4x3r

Because Micro$osft own about 90% of the market share :w00t: means there … Because Micro$osft own about 90% of the market share :w00t: means there is more windows users correct?



Actually Macbook Pro sales alone are up 33% since the release of Windows Vista and thanks to the likes of Ubuntu Linux take up is through the roof, so that's all changing.

h4x3r

That means it can spread over the net faster dont tell me its not trueE.g … That means it can spread over the net faster dont tell me its not trueE.g say Apple own 5% of the market share it will be very hard for a virus to find it self in a mac



True Windows machines are more common which does mean there are more targets out there. However that does not alter the fact that the Linux and Mac security models prevent the spread of viruses and prevent them from doing serious damage. Whereas the Windows model makes it all too easy to spread viruses and makes it possible for them to cripple your machine if you get a nasty one. Even if they were equally represented in market share Linux and Mac are still much harder targets than Windows because of the security models they use.

h4x3r

Its just easier for the hacker to hack or stick a virus in a windows … Its just easier for the hacker to hack or stick a virus in a windows machines because it can easily be found



Think about it, that's like saying no-one will ever steal a Subaru Impreza because they're less common than the Ford Mondeo. If Windows was secure then it wouldn't be a problem regardless of market share.

h4x3r

Mac is just n00b proof thats why most people perfer it If you stick them … Mac is just n00b proof thats why most people perfer it If you stick them on a windows machine they wont have a clue what to do



Exactly.....why should anyone mess around setting up windows security when then can have it all and more out of the box. Even Linux is getting easier for teh average man and that's traditionally the domain of the geek.
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