wireless network connection software

Hi

i'm having problems getting my laptop to connect to wireless networks using the standard vista wlan connection software (connect to... etc) and i wanted to try a third party software that performs a similar function. i'd like to be able to input details of the network rather than just have it try to connect automatically since this would be useful for connecting to secure networks

does anyone know of any good software that does this? freeware is good but i could try some trials of commercial software to see if they fix it

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What make/model of wireless card is it?

Original Poster

it's in a laptop so i'm not sure, but everest says this under network adapter:

Network Adapter LAN-Express AS IEEE 802.11g PCI-E Adapter
Network Adapter Marvell Yukon 88E8036 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (192.168.0.2)

i've tried updating drivers. i can connect to some networks but not really secure ones

try the 02 connection manager. got it with me dongle but works a treat with my card

o2.co.uk/sup…ger

gav989;5952785

Network Adapter LAN-Express AS IEEE 802.11g PCI-E Adapter


Unfortunately it's name is to generic to tell what make/model it is (LAN-Express points at an Atheros chipped card).

What make / model is your laptop?

Original Poster

sony vaio vgn-n21e

only change i've made is upped the ram to 2gb

i'll hve a look at that o2 software

juniper odyssey client is awesome, multiple networks with profiles and the config can be passworded, GINA ability etc etc

works with all wifi cards, as its a client, the h/w only needs the drivers installed.

"i'm having problems getting my laptop to connect to wireless networks using the standard vista wlan connection software (connect to... etc) and i wanted to try a third party software that performs a similar function. i'd like to be able to input details of the network rather than just have it try to connect automatically since this would be useful for connecting to secure networks"

the problem doesn't sound software related if you can connect at all to networks. Laptops often do not have very good in built wireless cards (naturally since I doubt there is any antennae sticking out of your laptop is there?). You could try buying an external (usb or pcmcia / express card )N rated wireless card with greater range and speed performance (depending on the wireless network setup that you are connecting to).

I don't understand what you are taking about inputting the details... you have to input the details it will not be more secure... wireless security is determined by the encryption methods determined by the network you are trying to access.

Xiwt;5953276

"i'm having problems getting my laptop to connect to wireless networks … "i'm having problems getting my laptop to connect to wireless networks using the standard vista wlan connection software (connect to... etc) and i wanted to try a third party software that performs a similar function. i'd like to be able to input details of the network rather than just have it try to connect automatically since this would be useful for connecting to secure networks"the problem doesn't sound software related if you can connect at all to networks. Laptops often do not have very good in built wireless cards (naturally since I doubt there is any antennae sticking out of your laptop is there?). You could try buying an external (usb or pcmcia / express card )N rated wireless card with greater range and speed performance (depending on the wireless network setup that you are connecting to).I don't understand what you are taking about inputting the details... you have to input the details it will not be more secure... wireless security is determined by the encryption methods determined by the network you are trying to access.



its not just determined by the encryption method you adopt, dynamic certificates, pre-shared certificates, ACS authentication, SIM card, TTLS, PEAP, LEAP, RSA Token, GINA machine account (pre boot authentication), etc etc

Xiwt;5953276

I doubt there is any antennae sticking out of your laptop is there?



The antennae usually run up the sides of the screen.

Original Poster

i read somewhere that some networks can only be discovered if you search for the specific ssid and already know the encryption type and appropriate key...

gav989;5953477

i read somewhere that some networks can only be discovered if you search … i read somewhere that some networks can only be discovered if you search for the specific ssid and already know the encryption type and appropriate key...



Yes this is true, you can hide the SSID, you can however see the network on wifi survey which will only show the encryption type in use. It will not display the SSID or any info on the authentication method in place, but on your network you can place 2 lines of security in place on a wifi network - sticky MACs then your preferred authentication method ie WPA2

It is an Atheros card, not sure about the actual model (the driver on the Sony website is for a whole bunch of different ones).

Here is a link to the ]Atheros Wireless LAN Utility for XP/Vista, as provided by Toshiba for it's customers.

It is also worth mentioning that the Windows Wireless Uility does allow you customise the security settings of an existing profile.

To do this click the WLan symbol next to the clock, Network and Sharing Centre and then Mmanage Wireless Networks. Double clicking the name of the network you added earlier you will be able to change the encryption type and key,

Hope this helps.

Alfonse;5953411

its not just determined by the encryption method you adopt, dynamic … its not just determined by the encryption method you adopt, dynamic certificates, pre-shared certificates, ACS authentication, SIM card, TTLS, PEAP, LEAP, RSA Token, GINA machine account (pre boot authentication), etc etc



Sim Card? wtf are you on about dude where has this topic gone?!!! certificates are handed out by servers... if you are trying to connect to an unsecure network you can't start making up certificates and changing the authentication methods ... you have to go with whatever the network administrator has determined else you won't be able to connect. . . If you are the network administrator you can change these methods obviously... but who in their right mind is using certificates in their home networks? just use WPA2 encryption.

Xiwt;5953522

Sim Card? wtf are you on about dude where has this topic gone?!!! … Sim Card? wtf are you on about dude where has this topic gone?!!! certificates are handed out by servers... if you are trying to connect to an unsecure network you can't start making up certificates and changing the authentication methods ... you have to go with whatever the network administrator has determined else you won't be able to connect. . . If you are the network administrator you can change these methods obviously... but who in their right mind is using certificates in their home networks? just use WPA2 encryption.



You posted

wireless security is determined by the encryption methods determined by the network you are trying to access.

security is not just determined by the encryption method in place, hence my examples.........domestic or not.

And yes sim card wireless authentication exists like smart card logins.

Original Poster

how did you find out which card it was summoner? i'm sitting next to it and i couldn't work it out....

i'll have a go with that utility

gav989;5953613

how did you find out which card it was summoner? i'm sitting next to it … how did you find out which card it was summoner? i'm sitting next to it and i couldn't work it out....i'll have a go with that utility


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look don't wanna argue with you alfonse... you cannot say what I said is not true. If the network you are trying to connect to uses no encryption... you cannot use WPA2 from your laptop... since it is not COMMON between the two devices...they would not be speaking the same language...that is the whole point of encryption...and anyone using a packet sniffer may be able to capture the packets that you are sending from your laptop to the wireless access point.

If you are connecting to a network that uses WEP again you cannot use WPA or WPA2 encryption. It is very simple... no need to confuse the issue...

The encryption method IS hence determined by the network you are trying to access and I maintain that....but good luck trying to connect to networks using encryption methods that have not been enabled on the network side.

Original Poster

wow, never thought to try vaio support....

cheers for the link, i'll let you know if it works (i have slow internet...)

Xiwt;5953686

look don't wanna argue with you alfonse... you cannot say what I said is … look don't wanna argue with you alfonse... you cannot say what I said is not true. If the network you are trying to connect to uses no encryption... you cannot use WPA2 from your laptop... since it is not COMMON between the two devices...they would not be speaking the same language...that is the whole point of encryption...and anyone using a packet sniffer may be able to capture the packets that you are sending from your laptop to the wireless access point.If you are connecting to a network that uses WEP again you cannot use WPA or WPA2 encryption. It is very simple... no need to confuse the issue...The encryption method IS hence determined by the network you are trying to access and I maintain that....but good luck trying to connect to networks using encryption methods that have not been enabled on the network side.



Very true.


Some card/accesspoint combinations cause the card to wrongly choose between AES & TKIP, causing the connection to fail.

I have never seen an Atheros card do this so. It's usually the old 2xxx series Intel WLan cards that do that, also this is actualy more likely to be a driver bug than a hardware problem.

Xiwt;5953686

look don't wanna argue with you alfonse... you cannot say what I said is … look don't wanna argue with you alfonse... you cannot say what I said is not true. If the network you are trying to connect to uses no encryption... you cannot use WPA2 from your laptop and anyone using a packet sniffer may be able to capture the packets that you are sending from your laptop to the wireless access point.If you are connecting to a network that uses WEP again you cannot use WPA or WPA2 encryption. It is very simple... no need to confuse the issue... [The encryption method IS hence determined by the network you are trying to access and I maintain that....but good luck trying to connect to networks using encryption methods that have not been enabled on the network side.



true, I'm not discussing mismatching of security methods.


encryption alone is not the only method to secure a wireless network, several can be used inconjunction.

Alfonse;5953782

true, I'm not discussing mismatching of security methods.encryption alone … true, I'm not discussing mismatching of security methods.encryption alone is not the only method to secure a wireless network, several can be used inconjunction.



yes thanks for this pointing this out... I never said encryption was the only method either...it is ALL STILL determined by the network lol...so I don't see the relevance... I guess we are saying the same thing then since you agree. Peace.
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