Your thoughts on the Wider picture on the the Arab revolutions

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Found 21st Feb 2011
Tunisia, Egypt, and now Libya where next and what effect is this going to have on the uk?

I am a bit unsure on how this going to precede and to be truthful it's making me a little nervous, we are used to unrest in the middle east but no along this straight

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Interesting post, I never really considered the impact on the UK...

I can only see the revolts in Arab states mentioned above as a positive thing - if we exercise our right for democracy then why shouldn't they?

I understand stock markets have been frozen/are still frozen in the three states in question so i'm sure there are economic impacts that will effect the UK financially.

Relationships between Tunisia and the Western world and Libya and the Western world weren't exactly rosy before the protests so there's no reason why all three countries under potential new rule will have any reason to show any kind of animosity to us, especially as most of us have not been against their revolt.

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Tunisia, Egypt, and now Libya where next and what effect is this going to … Tunisia, Egypt, and now Libya where next and what effect is this going to have on the uk?



Probably more immigrants heading our way claiming asylum.

guv

Probably more immigrants heading our way claiming asylum.



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Its just world war 3 in the offing.

I caught a news snippet earlier that 2 f15 pilots with planes have defected from Libya to Malta as they were ordered to fire at protesters ! its a big **** storm waiting to happen !!!!

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richp

I caught a news snippet earlier that 2 f15 pilots with planes have … I caught a news snippet earlier that 2 f15 pilots with planes have defected from Libya to Malta as they were ordered to fire at protesters ! its a big **** storm waiting to happen !!!!



The ones with the F15s are welcome. X)

Well majority of the puppet leaders are falling which is good and in Egypt they are going to be opening the borders up for Palestine which is another plus.

Time to get rid of these western puppet leaders in the middle east.

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Inb4 world war 3 and nutcase religious leaders.

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shauneco

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Problem is a lot of these puppet leaders have been kept in power by the west, so what impact will that have on the people, i feel this will have an impact as people will retaliate to that.

I think there are a lot more factors we haven't even considered
Economic,
Immigration
Of course the most obvious which way will these state swing to politically.

It's spreading... How long before it starts here?

The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a whole is that they will have less control over these countries and hence won’t have these great oil and gas deals. Finally the people of these countries can elect their own leaders and help their countries prosper without the west trying to drain them of every resource they have.

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CollateralDamage

The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a … The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a whole is that they will have less control over these countries and hence won’t have these great oil and gas deals. Finally the people of these countries can elect their own leaders and help their countries prosper without the west trying to drain them of every resource they have.



and then maybe not come over here for the freedom and prosperity..............maybe it will affect the uk after all : )

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J_B

It's spreading... How long before it starts here?



The government would threaten to cut off benefits and all the noise would stop in the UK.

Brits don't have the backbone that they used to.

The west has been trying to steer these leaders towards better human rights for a long time,The real problems will come when the instability leads to greater poverty .

I think that our ecomonys reliance on oil makes for an very uncertain future. Everything is going to get much more expensive.
I dont think that any country would seriously want to get involved in largescale wars in a nuclear age but there could well be resource wars when scare commodities could be traded to alternative markets if newly formed governments decide they are more favorable to different reigimes than they have been in the recent past.

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tonyg1962

The west has been trying to steer these leaders towards better human … The west has been trying to steer these leaders towards better human rights for a long time,The real problems will come when the instability leads to greater poverty .



yep ,but some members on here dont see that........................baring in mind they don,t live there though!

RFC

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-1 to the power of 2 x (y=mc2)

religon and polotics cause of 2/3rds of the worlds wars,personally i feel to leave these subjects well alone

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and then maybe not come over here for the freedom and … and then maybe not come over here for the freedom and prosperity..............maybe it will affect the uk after all : )



So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run away to live in the uk? get real.

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CollateralDamage

So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run … So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run away to live in the uk? get real.




your right ...watch this space,do you really think that whats going to come in its place is going be so freakin great.

nope me neither!

you get real.

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tonyg1962

The west has been trying to steer these leaders towards better human … The west has been trying to steer these leaders towards better human rights for a long time,The real problems will come when the instability leads to greater poverty .

RFC

your right ...watch this space,do you really think that whats going to … your right ...watch this space,do you really think that whats going to come in its place is going be so freakin great.nope me neither!you get real.




Did you live there? Because your spelling and punctuation is especially ****. "don,t"? what the **** is that?


Edited by: "bykergrove" 21st Feb 2011

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CollateralDamage

So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run … So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run away to live in the uk? get real.



If they're dead, its pretty obvious they wont be coming here to live!

Inb4 there are no Afghan Immigrants fleeing the teletubbies.

Thousands have already fled Tunisia since the uprising because of the increase in poverty and the lack of border control.

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CollateralDamage

So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run … So they fight and die to free their country from iron rule and then run away to live in the uk? get real.


bykergrove

Did you live there? Because your spelling and punctuation is especially … Did you live there? Because your spelling and punctuation is especially ****. "don,t"? what the **** is that?


nah iam an afgan refugee,the night life was better over there but u know der is more dosh to be ad over ere/ cuse my english plese!

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RFC

watch this space,do you really think that whats going to come in its … watch this space,do you really think that whats going to come in its place is going be so freakin great.nope me neither!you get real.



Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim world will once again unite under the shade of the caliphate. I think maybe the muslim world needs to be failed by democracy to really wake up. We have tried so called ‘democracy’ in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq and we have seen the fruits. Whereas in the past one tyrant and his family would loot the wealth, now we have a whole bunch of so-called ‘democrats’ who are looting our wealth and pushing our countries into sectarian chaos.

caliphate.eu/

Do you know the muslim world was a centre of learning, peace and prosperity once upon a time.
That was when muslims stuck to the values of true islam and implemented islam as it should be implemented ( not saudi arabia or the taliban's regimes or any of the corrupt and oppressive regimes currently in the muslim world )

youtube.com/wat…1Zk

The muslim world needs and is crying for change. This change will only come when it goes back to this basis as a community – that is Islam. Establishing the Islamic system of government – the Caliphate – is the only way that muslim world can regain its position as a nation amongst nations.

Rulers with integrity, accountable government, just laws, an end to gross inequality and poverty, and an end to occupation are just some of the fruits of living under the Islamic system where the Caliphate is a servant of the people.


Elton Chong

Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim … Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim world will once again unite under the shade of the caliphate. I think maybe the muslim world needs to be failed by democracy to really wake up. We have tried so called ‘democracy’ in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq and we have seen the fruits. Whereas in the past one tyrant and his family would loot the wealth, now we have a whole bunch of so-called ‘democrats’ who are looting our wealth and pushing our countries into sectarian chaos.[url=http://www.caliphate.eu/]http://www.caliphate.eu/[/url]Do you know the muslim world was a centre of learning, peace and prosperity once upon a time.That was when muslims stuck to the values of true islam and implemented islam as it should be implemented ( not saudi arabia or the taliban's regimes or any of the corrupt and oppressive regimes currently in the muslim world )[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1Zk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1Zk[/url]The muslim world needs and is crying for change. This change will only come when it goes back to this basis as a community – that is Islam. Establishing the Islamic system of government – the Caliphate – is the only way that muslim world can regain its position as a nation amongst nations.Rulers with integrity, accountable government, just laws, an end to gross inequality and poverty, and an end to occupation are just some of the fruits of living under the Islamic system where the Caliphate is a servant of the people.



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Elton Chong

Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim … Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim world will once again unite under the shade of the caliphate. I think maybe the muslim world needs to be failed by democracy to really wake up. We have tried so called ‘democracy’ in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq and we have seen the fruits. Whereas in the past one tyrant and his family would loot the wealth, now we have a whole bunch of so-called ‘democrats’ who are looting our wealth and pushing our countries into sectarian chaos.http://www.caliphate.eu/Do you know the muslim world was a centre of learning, peace and prosperity once upon a time.That was when muslims stuck to the values of true islam and implemented islam as it should be implemented ( not saudi arabia or the taliban's regimes or any of the corrupt and oppressive regimes currently in the muslim world )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1ZkThe muslim world needs and is crying for change. This change will only come when it goes back to this basis as a community – that is Islam. Establishing the Islamic system of government – the Caliphate – is the only way that muslim world can regain its position as a nation amongst nations.Rulers with integrity, accountable government, just laws, an end to gross inequality and poverty, and an end to occupation are just some of the fruits of living under the Islamic system where the Caliphate is a servant of the people.



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Original Poster

I have to say this thread seems to do just what i hoped, provoked thoughts.

CollateralDamage

The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a … The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a whole is that they will have less control over these countries and hence won’t have these great oil and gas deals.



Oh bummer. Never thought of that. No more cheap petrol.

skellysgirl

I have to say this thread seems to do just what i hoped, provoked … I have to say this thread seems to do just what i hoped, provoked thoughts.



did you really have to say it?

Will that include Shia and Sunni uniting ?.
Serious question BTW,

Elton Chong

Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim … Perhaps not immediately but eventually. It is a certainty that the muslim world will once again unite under the shade of the caliphate. I think maybe the muslim world needs to be failed by democracy to really wake up. We have tried so called ‘democracy’ in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq and we have seen the fruits. Whereas in the past one tyrant and his family would loot the wealth, now we have a whole bunch of so-called ‘democrats’ who are looting our wealth and pushing our countries into sectarian chaos.http://www.caliphate.eu/Do you know the muslim world was a centre of learning, peace and prosperity once upon a time.That was when muslims stuck to the values of true islam and implemented islam as it should be implemented ( not saudi arabia or the taliban's regimes or any of the corrupt and oppressive regimes currently in the muslim world )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX3UHNhQ1ZkThe muslim world needs and is crying for change. This change will only come when it goes back to this basis as a community – that is Islam. Establishing the Islamic system of government – the Caliphate – is the only way that muslim world can regain its position as a nation amongst nations.Rulers with integrity, accountable government, just laws, an end to gross inequality and poverty, and an end to occupation are just some of the fruits of living under the Islamic system where the Caliphate is a servant of the people.

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r4ge

did you really have to say it?



Its just on here it always seems to decend in to annargument, that's not what i intended and just to say basically there are a few points people had raised that i had not even considered.

Its also nice to know that it's not just me that is unnerved by it all
Edited by: "skellysgirl" 22nd Feb 2011

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Yes absolutely.

With reference to iraq, If we look historically to relations between Sunni and Shia, we don't see any "Pandora's Box" of tensions. Rather we see both sets of Muslims have always lived together side by side, worshipping in the same mosques and inter-marrying.

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J_B

It's spreading... How long before it starts here?



what spreads/starts here exactly?

r4ge

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she should start a revolution on her parents!

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CollateralDamage

The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a … The only effect these revolutions will have on the UK and the west as a whole is that they will have less control over these countries and hence won’t have these great oil and gas deals. Finally the people of these countries can elect their own leaders and help their countries prosper without the west trying to drain them of every resource they have.



Wow. You're more stupid than I thought possible if you think Col Gaddafi was a friend to the west. No doubt you think blowing up an airliner over Scotland was a friendly thing to do, or were unaware of the bombing and sanctions that followed.

BTW do you think the religious nutjobs who seized control in Afghanistan was a good thing and cared one jot for the population? Do you think females deserve to be allowed an education? Would you like to live in such a country?

Interesting times for the region and makes me wonder if the Iraqi/Afghan wars were ever necessary, as it now looks like across the arab world the people are revolting against their leaders who are often corrupt and rule with an iron fist. A few dissenters are easily dealt with, jail em torture them etc, but when 100s of thousands of people stand up in unity thats a different matter.

I did believe that if the Iraqi people had enough of Saddam, it was up to them to get rid and not us then again you mix oil into the mix and the waters get clouded.
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