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    Your thoughts on this court case?

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    Seems crazy imho.

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    I agree with the law - if someone is incapable of giving consent due to alcohol, drugs etc (AND the jury agrees) then its rape.....of course there are two sides to this story which is why they will argue this out in court and let the jury decide.

    If you spiked a womans drink and had sex with her whilst she was semi-conscious that would be rape. Alcohol is a drug - maybe not as potent as "date rape" drugs but its still a drug.

    horrible situation for them both. sounds like miscommunication. just the kind of thing we warn both our sons and our daughters about. makes my skin crawl.

    thats why you shouldnt get so drunk stupid woman letting her self get into a state so that shes in the situation, if she cant remember surley they cant charge him with rape ??

    Supermod

    If someone is under the influence of alcohol but yet can still walk up the stairs to the bedroom then that person would not be too drunk to be able to muster a "no".
    These cases are tricky and should be dealt with on the facts of the case itself and not what the general public consider to be right or wrong.
    In my opinion (based on the atricle) he should be found not guilty.
    Very interesting case.

    SABJ;4735299

    thats why you shouldnt get so drunk stupid woman letting her self get … thats why you shouldnt get so drunk stupid woman letting her self get into a state so that shes in the situation, if she cant remember surley they cant charge him with rape ??


    If you get drunk and semi-conscious and then assaulted for no good reason (you were targeted because it was easy to kick your head in) is that your fault ? It must be if you are incapable of defending yourself......

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    gari189;4735352

    If you get drunk and then assaulted for no good reason (you were targeted … If you get drunk and then assaulted for no good reason (you were targeted because it was easy to kick your head in) is that your fault ?


    lol, good point but very different, no1 wants to get their head kicked in when they are drunk, she clearly wanted the sexy time when she was drunk.

    gari189;4735352

    If you get drunk and then assaulted for no good reason (you were targeted … If you get drunk and then assaulted for no good reason (you were targeted because it was easy to kick your head in) is that your fault ?




    no but it is a good reason why you shouldnt get in such a state of course you shouldnt get raped or hit or anything what ever state you are in, but unfortunatly in this horrible world these things do happen and if you do get in such a state its more likely somthing would happen to you,

    but if she cant remember consenting or not how can he be charged its his word saying she said yes against her word saying i dont remember ??

    SABJ;4735299

    thats why you shouldnt get so drunk stupid woman letting her self get … thats why you shouldnt get so drunk stupid woman letting her self get into a state so that shes in the situation, if she cant remember surley they cant charge him with rape ??



    well he has conceeded he had sex with her and i guess there is evidence he did and its just his word saying she was consenting, hence they charge him with rape.

    i agree that it is unwise to get so drunk in someone else's company. As a woman, I tell my daughters we always need to avoid types of behaviour that could put us in danger or at risk.

    Having said that if she really was that drunk she cant remember anything, she must have been nigh comatose and his morality in sleeping with a woman in that state is seriously under question.

    If it were my son who had put himself in this position I would be seriously disappointed in him.

    The whole situation is horrible.

    ClarityofMind;4735394

    well he has conceeded he had sex with her and i guess there is evidence … well he has conceeded he had sex with her and i guess there is evidence he did and its just his word saying she was consenting, hence they charge him with rape. i agree that it is unwise to get so drunk in someone else's company. As a woman, I tell my daughters we always need to avoid types of behaviour that could put us in danger or at risk.Having said that if she really was that drunk she cant remember anything, she must have been nigh comatose and his morality in sleeping with a woman in that state is seriously under question.If it were my son who had put himself in this position I would be seriously disappointed in him. The whole situation is horrible.



    me too its a tough one and im glad i dont have to rule it,

    gari189;4735274

    I agree with the law - if someone is incapable of giving consent due to … I agree with the law - if someone is incapable of giving consent due to alcohol, drugs etc (AND the jury agrees) then its rape.....of course there are two sides to this story which is why they will argue this out in court and let the jury decide.If you spiked a womans drink and had sex with her whilst she was semi-conscious that would be rape. Alcohol is a drug - maybe not as potent as "date rape" drugs but its still a drug.



    the difference is the woman chose to drink that much.. he didn't drug her, she drugged herself basically. it's stupid behaviour.

    not sure how she can be conscious enough to walk into the bedroom and yet too drunk to remember anything. wonder if she was drugged at all? I assume they would have given her blood tests. Perhaps she does remember somewhat? I don't know anyone who really gets so drunk they cant remember their actions.

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    Another thing to consider is that he was not sober either, he had been drinking, i don't think there are many guys out there that would consider he could be raping this person

    Soon you will have to fill in a consent form to legally have sex ,

    Also if she was that drunk she cant remember,then maybe she raped him,

    Titchimp;4735453

    Another thing to consider is that he was not sober either, he had been … Another thing to consider is that he was not sober either, he had been drinking, i don't think there are many guys out there that would consider he could be raping this person



    well the thing with that is.. he obviously wasn't too drunk to have sex...

    in the womans case.. she may have been too drunk to say yes... thats what the jury will have to decide basically.

    Only going on what the article says, but if it happened how he says it did how can he be charged with rape? if she could talk to him, touch his leg, make comments about his age and willingly walk upstairs with him, she could have said "no" and in no way did he 'rape' her.

    Having said that, there is only his word that that is how it happened, for all we know she could have been passed out and he might have 'helped himself'.

    Hopefully the truth will out in court.

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    ClarityofMind;4735477

    well the thing with that is.. he obviously wasn't too drunk to have sex...


    Nor was she. The problem with drinking is you can down a couple of drinks quickly, be fine say yes please i want some sausage, then half an hour later be completely out of it and not remember even downing the drinks in the morning.

    tonyg1962;4735470

    Also if she was that drunk she cant remember,then maybe she raped him,



    i'm assuming they had sex in the usual way...

    ..in that case it isn't possible for a woman to rape a man as the man physically has to... rise to the occasion a womans body does not

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    tonyg1962;4735470

    Also if she was that drunk she cant remember,then maybe she raped him,



    That's not actually possible.

    It's pretty disgraceful that he has been named, but it does seem like his word against her's. Surprised the Daily Mail hasn't said she deserved it though.

    Its sad that society is this bad and getting worse.

    If she was so drunk and as you say two sides to the story, he could be lying.

    But I hate to see Women get in such a state for this even to be considered.

    Sad.

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    Titchimp;4735523

    Nor was she. The problem with drinking is you can down a couple of … Nor was she. The problem with drinking is you can down a couple of drinks quickly, be fine say yes please i want some sausage, then half an hour later be completely out of it and not remember even downing the drinks in the morning.



    Is it REALLY possible to get so drunk that one can't remember ones actions and yet still be conscious and capable of these kind of actions? I think that to be so drunk that you seriously cant remember what you did when you wake up in the morning, you'll well past the point of consciousness. And if she was passed out/unconscious when he had sex with her then yes he is guilty of rape.

    In my opinion its probably more likely she does have some memory of it.. after all she asked him if they had sex, so she knew somehow that they did and in the cold light of day she was disgusted with herself and felt guilty. Asserting he "raped" her in these circumstances emotionally absolves her conscience. But thats just my theory.

    The moral of the story is... don't put yourself into this kind of situation!

    it's quite possible that she was passed out and he totally raped her and deserves to go to prison for years... it's equally possible it's a lawyer using her knowledge of the law to exonerate herself from some shameful behaviour.

    It's more likely that the truth lies somewhere in between.

    ChipSticks;4735618

    it's quite possible that she was passed out and he totally raped her and … it's quite possible that she was passed out and he totally raped her and deserves to go to prison for years... it's equally possible it's a lawyer using her knowledge of the law to exonerate herself from some shameful behaviour. It's more likely that the truth lies somewhere in between.



    I think there needs to be a complete overhaul of the way rape and sexual crimes are punished in this country. Each case is dealt with individually yes but a case such as this shouldn't be in the same bracket as a man who breaks into a womans home with the express purpose of raping her or a maniac who leaps on a teenager on her way home from school, or a paedophile who consistently and repetitively rapes a child over many years. In my opinion they aren't even the same form of crime.

    ClarityofMind;4735529

    i'm assuming they had sex in the usual way.....in that case it isn't … i'm assuming they had sex in the usual way.....in that case it isn't possible for a woman to rape a man as the man physically has to... rise to the occasion a womans body does not



    FilthAndFurry;4735534

    That's not actually possible.It's pretty disgraceful that he has been … That's not actually possible.It's pretty disgraceful that he has been named, but it does seem like his word against her's. Surprised the Daily Mail hasn't said she deserved it though.



    awww come on??, how many men get erections in their sleep? 100% of them

    maddogb;4736750

    awww come on??, how many men get erections in their sleep? 100% of them



    Nevertheless it is a point of law that a woman cannot "rape" a man in this way. There are obviously other ways she could do so, but not like this.

    ClarityofMind;4736778

    Nevertheless it is a point of law that a woman cannot "rape" a man in … Nevertheless it is a point of law that a woman cannot "rape" a man in this way. There are obviously other ways she could do so, but not like this.



    point of law maybe but thats not what you said....

    I really do feel sorry for blokes in situations where a woman is drunk wants a bit of "hows your father" then afterwards says i never consented blah blah blah.

    I never believe people when they say i was so drunk i dont remember or i was drunk i didnt know what i was doing ive been absolutey ****faced and in the morning i know whether ive had sex or not
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