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I don't think there is any restriction on showing a score, but is showing pics or video of it or linking to somewhere to illegally obtain it. Just like there is nothing stopping you naming a film but porting it or linking to it would be.

wickedteen;8197636

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Why?
Its a fair question although every deal/voucher/competition are pasted from other sites aren't they?
Cant see any difference

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wickedteen;8197636

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in b4 infraction for trolling :thumbsup:

skusey;8197681

Why?Its a fair question although every deal/voucher/competition are … Why?Its a fair question although every deal/voucher/competition are pasted from other sites aren't they?Cant see any difference



Depends, the football fixture list is copyright and I believe belongs to Football Dataco Limited. Ive known them go after fan sites in the past so they do actively go after sites illegally reproducing the fixtures.

GAVINLEWISHUKD;8197672

I don't think there is any restriction on showing a score, but is showing … I don't think there is any restriction on showing a score, but is showing pics or video of it or linking to somewhere to illegally obtain it. Just like there is nothing stopping you naming a film but porting it or linking to it would be.



But the fixture list is the same as a film, to compare, reproduction of any part of the fixture list is no different to embedding a whole film into a post.

You can however put the whole nights scores as that isn't copyright.

Have I got this right?
Suppose Arsenal were due to play Spurs on the first Saturday in April, are you saying that I wouldn't be able to mention that anywhere?
Or have I got that completely wrong?

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Jumpingphil;8198063

Have I got this right?Suppose Arsenal were due to play Spurs on the first … Have I got this right?Suppose Arsenal were due to play Spurs on the first Saturday in April, are you saying that I wouldn't be able to mention that anywhere?Or have I got that completely wrong?



As far as I'm aware you can mention it as you have said it above, but you couldn't put
Arsenal v Spurs
as a standalone sentence, from what I understand anyway.
You can discuss games, but you can't reproduce any part of the fixture list.

If that really is the way it is, then what a crazy rule / law.
Who benefits?
Certainly neither Arsenal nor Spurs would get any financial benefit from not reproducing this.
In fact, it is quite the opposite, the more people that know, the more likely they are to have a full stadium.

So, although I can't understand this, I believe it COULD be true, but I think it can't possibly be as simple as that.......Can it?

There must be something else to it. Surely.

wait you saying that a comapany has copyright on certian combonation of words. eg..
Man United V Man City Sunday 18th March 15:30
May be be right but i don't believe you since i highly doubt they have got copyright on a string of words.

Hmm okay just looked on the internet and it turns out Football Dataco Limited do have copyright on the fixture list. How Crazy is that!?!
To obtain a licence for all the fixtures (every FA league) for Editorial (not commerical use) will cost £12,998.00 !

I'm laughing so hard at this thread my eyes the blood vessels in my eyes are rupturing. :thinking:

So can you put Arsenal vv Spurs or Arsenal b Spurs or can you leave two spaces between the words Arsenal v Spurs or maybe dots Arsenal. .v. Spurs.

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we had this discussion before the league fixtures were released and just after

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ErrorOperator;8198256

wait you saying that a comapany has copyright on certian combonation of … wait you saying that a comapany has copyright on certian combonation of words. eg.. Man United V Man City Sunday 18th March 15:30May be be right but i don't believe you since i highly doubt they have got copyright on a string of words.



Well thanks for that - have you heard of google, I've provided enough information in the posts for anyone to find out in about 10 seconds that what I said is true

For example, copying and pasting 'the football fixture list is copyright and I believe belongs to Football Dataco Limited' into google brings up loads of results like

bsad.org/050…tml
ifootyapp.co.uk/pub…pdf
affiliates4u.com/for…tml
66.102.9.132/sea…=uk
punterslounge.com/for…68/

etc etc

from the last link

If your site starts to publish lists of fixtures without a licence then … If your site starts to publish lists of fixtures without a licence then we would ask you to pay the same as other people. The payment would depend on the use. If your site was handling commercial bets using football then we would expect you to pay the appropriate licence for conducting that business. When we get to two or more fans speculating about a forthcoming game then we have no issues. If one of those fans decided to produce a complete fixture list and use your chat rooms as a venue for displaying it then we would ask you to police appropriately and remove that message. If someone wants to produce a speculative editorial piece in advance of a fixture then this is normal news reporting. If they chose to put in a couple of words and then list all the fixtures we would view this as "bending" the credibility of an article. I am sure that your members will see the common sense of this.

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casparwhite;8198320

we had this discussion before the league fixtures were released and just … we had this discussion before the league fixtures were released and just after



really? got a linky plz cos I tried to search before i posted and again now and the great hukd search engine let me down by saying no results :-D

EDIT: Found it via google, but no mod posted to clarify so will leave this one here to see what they say

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Any reason why this topic has raised it's head.

I don't see any complete fixture lists posted, perhaps someone can elaborate.

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hotukdeals.com/ite…all

The copyright is for any fixture not just the full fixture list

Maybe if you had clarified it in the ]last thread as mentioned by casper above it wouldn't need clarifying now :thumbsup:

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colinsunderland;8198447

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/639633/midweek-footballThe copyright is … http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/639633/midweek-footballThe copyright is for any fixture not just the full fixture listMaybe if you had clarified it in the ]last thread as mentioned by casper above it wouldn't need clarifying now :thumbsup:



Perhaps if you point to it, I can give a response. That said, I'd be very surprised if anyone took up an issue with a 'shopping' forum just because the odd member or two decided to post/mention a sub section of football fixtures.

** Noticed the edit. Response is as above. No doubt we'd pull if someone tries to reproduce copyright protected information in full, but that doesn't happen, so I don't think there's much merit in discussing further - unless I've missed the point and you need to get another dig in.

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A shopping forum with almost 250000 members, regardless, the data is copyright, and the company mentioned above are pretty strict about it being reproduced.
What does it matter anyway, are you saying because its only a shopping forum copyright should be ignored? If thats the case how come, seeing as its only a shopping forum, (bearing in mind this was my question), you don't allow discussions on certain other things as they are seen to be breaches of copyright, like direct links to torrents for example?

EDIT - just seen your response.
How is pointing out you are breaking the law 'getting a dig in'?

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I'm saying the football fixtures as a norm are not reproduced here in full and I've already advised that I'd expect them to be pulled if that was the case. Discussion threads are simply that - we don't see them as a vehicle for bypassing copyright protected data, nor have they been in the past.

Should we receive any such 'take down' notice, I'm sure Admin will respond accordingly.


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aScottishBloke;8198547

[B]I'm saying the football fixtures as a norm are not reproduced here in … [B]I'm saying the football fixtures as a norm are not reproduced here in full and I've already advised that I'd expect them to be pulled if that was the case.



I pointed to a thread above, it was a full list of Tuesdays fixtures for the respective leagues. Presumably you (and other mods) have seen it and it hasn't been pulled. Doesn't exactly match what you are saying above.

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colinsunderland;8198584

I pointed to a thread above, it was a full list of Tuesdays fixtures for … I pointed to a thread above, it was a full list of Tuesdays fixtures for the respective leagues. Presumably you (and other mods) have seen it and it hasn't been pulled. Doesn't exactly match what you are saying above.



We've seen it since you pointed this misc thread out. Mentioning a minor blip in the scale of things is hardly representative nor forms the basis for us to deviate from the position above.

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The position being as long as you don't get caught you don't care? As that seems to be what you are saying.

As for a 'minor' blip thats hardly true considering the regularity that copyrighted stuff is posted on here (for example - full news stories copied from the dail mail or sun websites)

Anyway I was actually trying to give a subtle warning to what dataco are like.

May as well close this thread now thanks

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Thread closed as requested.

It's difficult to entertain when I see deliberate misinterpretation, nor do I see any value in repeating.

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