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+1 excellent points have some rep

I have thought this many times, sometimes it seems that many are done in one go thus having the 1st page all expired

Why not just turn off 'show expired' - Won't see them then.

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Syzable;7207186

Why not just turn off 'show expired' - Won't see them then.



it isnt about them being expired, its about them 10 bumps knocking 10 peoples threads down, there are a few members on here who have 10/20 odd threads started in one go, they use all their bumps then lock after a few days, so can actually lock down 10/20 threads in one go and then list another 10/20 in one go, hardly fair

sassie;7207249

it isnt about them being expired, its about them 10 bumps knocking 10 … it isnt about them being expired, its about them 10 bumps knocking 10 peoples threads down, there are a few members on here who have 10/20 odd threads started in one go, they use all their bumps then lock after a few days, so can actually lock down 10/20 threads in one go and then list another 10/20 in one go, hardly fair



But it doesn't knock down genuine threads that are still open if you have 'show expired' turned off.

It's the only part of the forum i don't bother having show expired on as it's not needed as when they're gone.............they're gone and if it's something i've partaken in then it's in my CP.

If the tools of the site are used properly then it's not an issue..........it's just a choice of how they wish to view and therefore easily avoidable.

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Syzable;7207289

But it doesn't knock down genuine threads that are still open if you have … But it doesn't knock down genuine threads that are still open if you have 'show expired' turned off.It's the only part of the forum i don't bother having show expired on as it's not needed as when they're gone.............they're gone and if it's something i've partaken in then it's in my CP. :)If the tools of the site are used properly then it's not an issue..........it's just a choice of how they wish to view and therefore easily avoidable.



i dont have custom view, and wont have exclude expired on whilst so many members expire things when they shouldnt, and im far to nosey to customise anything:oops:

maybe an exclude locked threads would be a better option

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totally agree. just close them and leave it at that. Never have understood why the mods have to comment that they have closed at ops request. Its obvious thats what has happened if no other reason is given,

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I've seen the argument time and time again, exclude expired on or off, it doesn't need a bump back to the top, just to be locked, and last post edited.

Job Done, no bumping, simple as.
The OP can check from their profile page that its been closed.

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I always ask for mine to be locked without bumping, sometimes they lock with an edit, sometimes they lock with a bump, but i still ask for no bump

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People power has to win the day here!!!!

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bassman_uk;7207897

People power has to win the day here!!!!



never has before and doubt it ever will, but good luck :thumbsup:

maybe members should ask for the lock with no bump, take control of their own threads

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sassie;7207917

never has before and doubt it ever will, but good luck :thumbsup:maybe … never has before and doubt it ever will, but good luck :thumbsup:maybe members should ask for the lock with no bump, take control of their own threads



As you have done several times. For the same reasons as previously stated in other threads, we lock and post separately for a purpose. It's easier for us to record dates via the post date stamp, likewise members will find this when reporting threads. Searches return the post date, not edit dates within.

Bumps were also increased from 2 to 3 to compensate. On the subject of bulk closures, we do try to stage manage this throughout the day. All fs/ft thread closures should be marked as expired. The member may decide which works better for them, exclude expired or be forced to trawl through an extra page or 2 in order to see the most recent items, but in the satisfaction that they miss nothing.

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If you were to edit THIS post, am I right in thinking it would date and time stamp my post with your edit details, but then wouldnt get a bump?

The OP is basically saying these bumps are downgrading others position.... (which sounds a reasonable moan given the bump ruling.) The above suggestion would effectively keep everyone happy? yes / no?


Mod Edit: .............................

guv;7211516

If you were to edit THIS post, am I right in thinking it would date and … If you were to edit THIS post, am I right in thinking it would date and time stamp my post with your edit details, but then wouldnt get a bump?The OP is basically saying these bumps are downgrading others position.... (which sounds a reasonable moan given the bump ruling.) The above suggestion would effectively keep everyone happy? yes / no?



But.

Searches return the post date, not edit dates within.

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Syzable;7211556

But.



I read that...



But... didnt really see the relevance!:p

guv;7211602

I read that... But... didnt really see the relevance!:p



It wouldn't show in their search as a thread they had posted in by just editing.

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Syzable;7211648

It wouldn't show in their search as a thread they had posted in by just … It wouldn't show in their search as a thread they had posted in by just editing.



don't see the relevance in that. Could you explain please?

bassman_uk;7212010

don't see the relevance in that. Could you explain please?



Adking the wrong person........i was just pointing out to Guv the reason given by ASB :thumbsup:

Why don't you use the don't show expired button?

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Syzable;7212229

Adking the wrong person........i was just pointing out to Guv the reason … Adking the wrong person........i was just pointing out to Guv the reason given by ASB :thumbsup:Why don't you use the don't show expired button?



I was being serious :?

Its not just me using the exclude expire button, but only if everyone else does too, and I don't think that everyone does :thumbsup:

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guv;7211516

If you were to edit THIS post, am I right in thinking it would date and … If you were to edit THIS post, am I right in thinking it would date and time stamp my post with your edit details, but then wouldnt get a bump?The OP is basically saying these bumps are downgrading others position.... (which sounds a reasonable moan given the bump ruling.) The above suggestion would effectively keep everyone happy? yes / no?



I edited your quote above.

It leaves the original time and date stamp intact. Had this been your old fs/ft thread from 8 days ago, we'd be non the wiser as to the real closure date unless we visited each thread individually.

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aScottishBloke;7216044

I edited your quote above.It leaves the original time and date stamp … I edited your quote above.It leaves the original time and date stamp intact. Had this been your old fs/ft thread from 8 days ago, we'd be non the wiser as to the real closure date unless we visited each thread individually.



Yeh, I understand what you mean now. :thumbsup:

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aScottishBloke;7208792

As you have done several times. For the same reasons as previously stated … As you have done several times. For the same reasons as previously stated in other threads, we lock and post separately for a purpose. It's easier for us to record dates via the post date stamp, likewise members will find this when reporting threads. Searches return the post date, not edit dates within.Bumps were also increased from 2 to 3 to compensate. On the subject of bulk closures, we do try to stage manage this throughout the day. All fs/ft thread closures should be marked as expired. The member may decide which works better for them, exclude expired or be forced to trawl through an extra page or 2 in order to see the most recent items, but in the satisfaction that they miss nothing.




^^^^^ that explains the bumps, and what you are saying in regards to op's thread,
never knew about this, reason's for the maximum amount of bumps allowed.

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I should however state that we understand the frustrations. I'm only attempting to detail why they exist within the current framework. As we continue to develop the FS/FT section we are addressing many of the previously highlighted concerns.

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had a thought, when a user requests a fs/ft thread to be closed, its the mods, that expire spam whilst locking, its technically not expired, ( i do see the points you are making ) would a seperate section on fs/ft for expired threads work? ie just move the thread into an expired section??
like you would do with a thread that was made in a wrong section ie thread for deal was posted in misc, then moved from misc to deal section

dj_urban;7237358

had a thought, when a user requests a fs/ft thread to be closed, its the … had a thought, when a user requests a fs/ft thread to be closed, its the mods, that expire spam whilst locking, its technically not expired, ( i do see the points you are making ) would a seperate section on fs/ft for expired threads work? ie just move the thread into an expired section?? like you would do with a thread that was made in a wrong section ie thread for deal was posted in misc, then moved from misc to deal section



that though would then require another tab on the menu, which has been stated they are more then happy with the layout of the section at the moment, you could have it so mods only could see it, but users need to be able to find these threads still for many reasons such as if they relist, need information, bought something off that thread, etc

got to say it doesn't really bother me but at least this thread has enlightened me to the fact I can exclude expireds
On a lighter note glad to see the boy from Sandwell is frustrated but he's used to it

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wolvesfc1877;7699540

got to say it doesn't really bother me but at least this thread has … got to say it doesn't really bother me but at least this thread has enlightened me to the fact I can exclude expireds On a lighter note glad to see the boy from Sandwell is frustrated but he's used to it



Not as frustrated as you, Priory *****

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wolvesfc1877;7699540

got to say it doesn't really bother me but at least this thread has … got to say it doesn't really bother me but at least this thread has enlightened me to the fact I can exclude expireds On a lighter note glad to see the boy from Sandwell is frustrated but he's used to it



Or maybe you're a Wrenner?:whistling:

another 6/7 threads expired by amibees/rayman on the front page with another couple only a few mins before.

With the bump rule being so strict due to the fairness of other users being pushed off the front page I csn't see how this is fair.


edit: its 10 threads expired in the space of 10 mins.

ants97;7809156

another 6/7 threads expired by amibees/rayman on the front page with … another 6/7 threads expired by amibees/rayman on the front page with another couple only a few mins before. With the bump rule being so strict due to the fairness of other users being pushed off the front page I csn't see how this is fair.edit: its 10 threads expired in the space of 10 mins.



agree:thumbsup:

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ants97;7809156

another 6/7 threads expired by amibees/rayman on the front page with … another 6/7 threads expired by amibees/rayman on the front page with another couple only a few mins before. With the bump rule being so strict due to the fairness of other users being pushed off the front page I csn't see how this is fair.edit: its 10 threads expired in the space of 10 mins.



boothy;7809259

agree:thumbsup:



We've already increased the bump limit from 2 to 3 to accommodate concerns like this. All closed threads are marked as expired, so use that view or create a custom tab view and all should be fine.

If you want to view details of all fs/ft threads including expired, then that's the down side of things, however on the other hand some members may see it as a positive.

aScottishBloke;7810050

We've already increased the bump limit from 2 to 3 to accommodate … We've already increased the bump limit from 2 to 3 to accommodate concerns like this. All closed threads are marked as expired, so use that view or create a custom tab view and all should be fine.If you want to view details of all fs/ft threads including expired, then that's the down side of things, however on the other hand some members may see it as a positive.




thanks for repeating the stock (this time leaving out we do try spread them out during the day bit ) answer but it doesn't really answer the issue of fairness, which is used when a thread is locked for excessivve bumps. The two points just don't tally in my opinion anyway.

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ants97;7811366

thanks for repeating the stock (this time leaving out we do try spread … thanks for repeating the stock (this time leaving out we do try spread them out during the day bit ) answer but it doesn't really answer the issue of fairness, which is used when a thread is locked for excessivve bumps. The two points just don't tally in my opinion anyway.



i agree if someone asks for a thread to be locked (closed) it simply does not need a reply the fact that the OP can see the lock they then know that the message has been recieved and understood

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ants97;7811366

thanks for repeating the stock (this time leaving out we do try spread … thanks for repeating the stock (this time leaving out we do try spread them out during the day bit ) answer but it doesn't really answer the issue of fairness, which is used when a thread is locked for excessivve bumps. The two points just don't tally in my opinion anyway.



fragaliciousbob;7811397

i agree if someone asks for a thread to be locked (closed) it simply does … i agree if someone asks for a thread to be locked (closed) it simply does not need a reply the fact that the OP can see the lock they then know that the message has been recieved and understood



We've mentioned in the past that we and other members use the timestamp field on the last post to determine the actual date of closure, rather than reverting through to each post checking if there has been a mod edit.

I agree it might sound a little daft to close a thread for repeated bumps and then add another by means of closing the thread. Again it's for the reasons above re timestamps and also to ensure the message is loud and clear for any others viewing. Post edits don't show up as 'new posts'.

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if members are posting mods please close then that post should be edited with the lock, i have just seen someone bump all their threads with please lock, meaning they are infact bumping for the 4th time and then in about 10 minutes (or maybe 20, or an hour, or whenever the reports are seen) a mod will bump them all again to lock, seems unfair

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sassie;7829886

if members are posting mods please close then that post should be edited … if members are posting mods please close then that post should be edited with the lock, i have just seen someone bump all their threads with please lock, meaning they are infact bumping for the 4th time and then in about 10 minutes (or maybe 20, or an hour, or whenever the reports are seen) a mod will bump them all again to lock, seems unfair



yep and those members doing that should be infracted for unfair bumping and told to use the report icon

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actually this member isnt sending in reports, just checked all their threads and they just add the 4th bump with please close, none of them have been closed


edit that, it seems some have been locked via the report button, so said person obviously knows how it works

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sassie;7829935

actually this member isnt sending in reports, just checked all their … actually this member isnt sending in reports, just checked all their threads and they just add the 4th bump with please close, none of them have been closed



link please so i can add my own comments

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