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So no answer on this then, why am I not suprised, last stance was that is was Daily deals as they were from the reputable sellers, eg what are the outlet sellers now..........so Argos, M&M, Schuh, Karen Millen, Littlewoods etc.

But daily deals NOW are open to less reputable sellers with very, very little fb, or no brand awareness, or high street set up etc.

Like I say many, many deals now being submitted from non reputable brands, and even some not being DODTS, just random seller deals, take the bare bones xbox yesterday.

So can any seller spam here now?

We're trying to take a common sense approach to this. I think we were too far in the restrictive direction before and members were missing out on genuine deals.

Is there a merchant in particular you are worried about?

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Admin

We're trying to take a common sense approach to this. I think we were too … We're trying to take a common sense approach to this. I think we were too far in the restrictive direction before and members were missing out on genuine deals.Is there a merchant in particular you are worried about?



Thanks for the response, I just wanted to know the general consensus. See I have seen a few DOTD'S on here recently from unknowns. Ebay don't verify their DOTD's as such, so it's no guarantee being DOTD you will not get fakes etc.

Lots of people over on ebay have had huge ebay DOTD issues since it became a kind of free for all.

People seem to still believe (sadly) ebay is a safe place to buy names and if it's a DOTD and posted here, it must be ok.

Or deals like this.........linky which are neither dotds, nor actual listed merchants as such on here.

It's a deal with a stock availability of 10, (SA was one of the reasons stated before as not allowing a free for all if I remember) it's a bit "dodgy", it's not a huge, huge business so how do we know people are not self promoing.

One deal was taken off the other day, which I did report, it was fruit of the loom t-shirts, it was a DOTD but they had 1k fb and no history of selling clothes. Another on here for EDT, when they had appalling fb, for selling fakes, not being able to fufill orders, refills, seconds, etc, etc again that stayed it wasn't a mainstream retailer either.

So I guess I don't know really, does common sense mean any deal, regardless of fb, or regardless of stock availability, or is just one of those things that you judge as you go.I only raised the issue as there seems to be no rigid pattern and some quite dodgy deals are making their way over here IMHO.


Edited by: "tinkerbell28" 27th Sep 2010

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Rules are just made up as they go along on here
I remember something saying ebay and amazon deals would be allowed as long as the retailer was an existing retailer on here, but certainly haven't seen anything since extending that. Perhaps you can link to the announcement Paul so people know what is and isn't allowed?
It should also go on feedback when deciding to allow them or not. Some major retailers have extremely poor feedback on ebay. They shouldn't be allowed.
Just as, in my view, any ebay seller found selling fakes should have the whole company banned from here - not just the ebay side.

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Well yes Colin that's exactly my point, it seems to be made up as it goes along and there are no rules.

I don't see any common sense in being applied in some of the deals being allowed.

People still think ebay, is the place to go, for named goods, and if it's "endorsed" by ebay it should be good. It's crap lots and lots of DOTDS go belly up and are by crap sellers. Yet people fall for it and if it's on HUKD although it's not meant in this manner, people do see it as a "double" endorsment.

People just won't have it that sometimes they should be cautious, as it's a DOTD and on here so it must be ok.

Whatever happened to just letting regular outlets on here, so they could put a name to the face so to speak, know there would be stock volume and no self promo.

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How are DOTDs decided? Who pays most money or what?

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colinsunderland

Rules are just made up as they go along on hereI remember something … Rules are just made up as they go along on hereI remember something saying ebay and amazon deals would be allowed as long as the retailer was an existing retailer on here, but certainly haven't seen anything since extending that. Perhaps you can link to the announcement Paul so people know what is and isn't allowed?It should also go on feedback when deciding to allow them or not. Some major retailers have extremely poor feedback on ebay. They shouldn't be allowed.Just as, in my view, any ebay seller found selling fakes should have the whole company banned from here - not just the ebay side.



Seeing as no mod/admin has bothered replying presumably we either have to guess which ebay deals are allowed, or all are. Would have been nice to know which though.

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colinsunderland

Seeing as no mod/admin has bothered replying presumably we either have to … Seeing as no mod/admin has bothered replying presumably we either have to guess which ebay deals are allowed, or all are. Would have been nice to know which though.



We'll yeah it would seem anything goes, but it's dealt with on a case by case "common sense basis", which clearly does not apply with some of the deals allowed.

Wonder how long it will take ebay business sellers to cotton on to the lack of rules in place here now.

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I'm a business seller on ebay so I'll get a few of my customers to post deals seeing as its allowed now

@colinsunderland are you saying you want it based on feedback?

It's one thing to complain guys and another to offer ideas....

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how about just saying what is and isn't allowed?
If you change the rules surely you have posted about it somewhere?

Personally if the decision was mine, I would allow BIN's from established retailers already allowed on here only, with a maximum of 1% negative feedback.
If an ebay outlet was banned from here (ie the hut) then I would ban their deals completely. If they sell fakes on ebay then presumably they would do the same on their site.

Ebay DOTD is heavily promoted on ebay as it is and if anyone wants to look at them its easy to find. Don't really think they need extra promotion on here.

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colinsunderland

how about just saying what is and isn't allowed?If you change the rules … how about just saying what is and isn't allowed?If you change the rules surely you have posted about it somewhere?Personally if the decision was mine, I would allow BIN's from established retailers already allowed on here only, with a maximum of 1% negative feedback.If an ebay outlet was banned from here (ie the hut) then I would ban their deals completely. If they sell fakes on ebay then presumably they would do the same on their site.Ebay DOTD is heavily promoted on ebay as it is and if anyone wants to look at them its easy to find. Don't really think they need extra promotion on here.




Exactly this. Ideas? Well rules maybe, who is and isn't allowed, so rigid criterea as it is something that needs it, as without it things will get out of hand as they are starting to by the looks of it.

You are not going to get fakes from M&M, Littlewoods, Schuh, etc, etc. But quite possibly and in all honesty more than likely you will from those out on by small businesses by DOTD.

Part of the DOTD, is they must have the cheapest price online, with free postage and large volume. Businesses have been forced out of the bay who retail in named brands ever since the big outlets came into play. How do you think an online small business, can source so many genuine goods and undercut everyone on the net to get a spot of deal of the day. Not very easily without footing a whacking loss in most cases. Probably why so many people have issues with dotd's such as no stock, fakes, seconds etc.

It was always said on here that small businesses were not allowed and stick to the big names, as it opens up the scenraio of self promo, not being able to verify the goods, and stock availability issues for the exposure it will get. So what's changed? All those 3 issues still exist so why is it on a "case by case basis".

Although some big names can have some terrible customer service both on/off ebay, with the big names you do have some comeback and someone to fight and you are not likely to get fakes. With smaller businesses you have to question legitimacy vs buying power, and it's fair to say many, of them avoid their legal obligations to the consumer in the even of an issue, and as it's usually just a warehouse one off type set up rather than a high street name people give up.

Why not just carry on as it was with BINS from the big retailers, there are loads on there on the outlet section. Rather than bringing in deals of the day from any waif and stray, as it may "appear" to be a good deal, quite often if you look hard enough and spot the signs, it's not. Same as having random deals from nobody sellers, with 10 stock availability like above ^^^

The problem is with the bay is that people are still so stupid when it comes to buying names off there. Unless it's from an actual, live, high street retailer who you know have huge buying power or likely to have lots of clearance, stuff like clothes, EDT, cosmetics are all to be avoided as you just can't guarantee that the excpetional bargain is not fake, seconds, etc as most names are on the bay, especially in those categories.

The reason some sellers get away with it, is because many people (not all) buying names for that kind of price can't afford the real deal. So they are quite happy when their fuggs or their Tomy Hilfinger tops arrive as they can't tell the differnce as fakes can be reasonable. It's only if you know the quality/brand by having the real deal that you spot the fake.

People like this are easy to spot as they will have a fair few negs/neuts/false positives questioning authenticity, yet will still have a fb of around 99%. But as they are a top rated seller (which means nowt) and if it's advertised on dotd it must be legit, then if it's on here it's definately ok.

Take for example a very recent DOTD, a CK fragrance. The seller involved had about 20k fb, and lots of negs/neuts/false positives for selling fakes/reseals/testers when they were advertised as new in box and many more for not being able to fufill orders palced on DOTD.

The guy that posted it just wouldn't accept the fact this deal should be approached with caution. To anyone with half an ounce of common sense it screamed steer clear. But as it was a 20k fb top rated seller, he presumed that was ok as they were a big seller (I'd agree if it were say boots) and completely ignored the fact he had loads of these fake/reseal/nostock/tester fb and concentrated on the fact he had 99% and managed to source enough stock to undercut big name retailers who had it on heavy discount.

It is madness but it's how poeple work and it's why I think on here big high street names only. I think the above deal was removed eventually after it sold out, which is no good really.

There was a instance recently where MB got fakes from the Huts outlet on a eBay DOTD

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There was a instance recently where MB got fakes from the Huts outlet on … There was a instance recently where MB got fakes from the Huts outlet on a eBay DOTD



Yeah well they were well know for it ahem. They re launched themselves as, in_ the_ label, because thier other outlet which was already know to HUKD as I'd seen loads of deals from it was well know for having appalling fb for fakes..........lifestyle_hut.

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There was a instance recently where MB got fakes from the Huts outlet on … There was a instance recently where MB got fakes from the Huts outlet on a eBay DOTD



It wasn't a DOTD as far as i'm aware i think another deal by them was posted and MB saw the TH stuff as she looked at other stuff they were selling and ordered it,still as Tinks said The Hut group have a bad reputation,i've seen many posts about them on the Ebay forums.

I had a run in with a DOTD seller myself for dodgy Disney nightwear

I agree with Tinks ,i think it's dodgy ground to promote "any" random DOTD seller.

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tinkerbell28

Yeah well they were well know for it ahem. They re launched themselves … Yeah well they were well know for it ahem. They re launched themselves as, in_ the_ label, because thier other outlet which was already know to HUKD as I'd seen loads of deals from it was well know for having appalling fb for fakes..........lifestyle_hut.



Hense my comment about the whole group being banned from here.
They sell fakes, they shouldn't be allowed on here full stop

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colinsunderland

Hense my comment about the whole group being banned from here.They sell … Hense my comment about the whole group being banned from here.They sell fakes, they shouldn't be allowed on here full stop



Can't disagree.

If certain ebay outlets are going to be allowed can they be listed on the "Merchant" list? At the moment every ebay outlet is listed as ebay outlet.

For the bigger outlets like Argos Clearance and Ebuyer can they have their own entries please? Makes it easier when filtering for deals and gives an indication that you are allowed to post deals for that outlet....

Can I ask if individual sellers or sole traders aren't allowed on the site then why does this seemingly not apply to individual ebay sellers who apparently are allowed on the site?

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amibees

Recognised sellers on HUKD are ok to post for Amazon merchants. Thanks



From this thread.........

linky

So Amazon marektplace deals can be listed for RECOGNISED sellers such as the entertainer, why is this not still the case for ebay then? Why can any deal be posted on a "case by case" basis or is it a case of it's being made up as you go along, an answer would be nice, so people know what to post and what to spam, thanks.

I think the admins don't want any person having personal gain and thats about it. Not everybody can say they are in the head office at likes of tesco etc

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shadowdogg

I think the admins don't want any person having personal gain and thats … I think the admins don't want any person having personal gain and thats about it. Not everybody can say they are in the head office at likes of tesco etc



Yes congrats on missing the whole point, ebay deals have been popping up for very small sellers that are not verifiable, or recognised, like TESCO, Littlewoods, etc.
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