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i listed over 70 CDs on a listing and had a mod look at it at least once (the entire thread) and there was no problem.
My assumption is its viewed the same as for example selling loads of 360 or ps3 games. theyre all different, just from the same 'medium;. Therefore allowed.
there have been some huge sales of 360 games ie over 50, and like i saw i listed over 70 cds and it was fine.

I would check with this new rule on misc posting whether this is counted as free advertisement, hope it isn't but may well be.

Banned

cloudthecat,

Your listing should be fine, subject to the remainder of the fs/ft rules, i.e. all originals, no more than 2 of the same item (including previous sales in the past 3 months), etc.

Please do remember that the items offered for sale must not contain promotional material that is not licensed for resale, or there is no relevant rrp for price comparison purposes.

Hope this clarifies the situation for you.

Let me know when you're happy with the response and I'll close this thread, having served it's purpose.

Please do remember that the items offered for sale must not contain … Please do remember that the items offered for sale must not contain promotional material that is not licensed for resale, or there is no relevant rrp for price comparison purposes.



All DJ only music if legitimate is "Promo Only" and/or "Not Licensed For Resale". The music industry was/is built on Promo material and it is more than common place for Promo releases to be sold on when the DJ/Radio Station/whoever has finished with them.These items also never have an R.R.P. for obvious reasons

The collectors market is also awash with Promo material which is bought and sold as normal items.

The CD's the OP wants to sell I believe are only sold to legit DJ's who have a European License and DO have a RRP although they turn up all the time as 2nd Hand items for normal folks to purchase.

The only time, as far as I know, that the Record Companies or Artists get funny about Promo Items being sold is if they are pre-release or very current releases. I'm quite happy to be proven wrong on that though ??

The reason I post this info is because "Promo" and "Not for Resale" are not what they seem is the music industry and therefore the 2nd hand market place.

Admin / Mods can take what they like from that but it would seem extremely harsh not to allow Promo CD's and other formats of Promo Music to be sold ??

hottoshop;5249021

All DJ only music if legitimate is "Promo Only" and/or "Not Licensed … All DJ only music if legitimate is "Promo Only" and/or "Not Licensed For Resale". The music industry was/is built on Promo material and it is more than common place for Promo releases to be sold on when the DJ/Radio Station/whoever has finished with them.These items also never have an R.R.P. for obvious reasonsThe collectors market is also awash with Promo material which is bought and sold as normal items. The CD's the OP wants to sell I believe are only sold to legit DJ's who have a European License and DO have a RRP although they turn up all the time as 2nd Hand items for normal folks to purchase.The only time, as far as I know, that the Record Companies or Artists get funny about Promo Items being sold is if they are pre-release or very current releases. I'm quite happy to be proven wrong on that though ??The reason I post this info is because "Promo" and "Not for Resale" are not what they seem is the music industry and therefore the 2nd hand market place.Admin / Mods can take what they like from that but it would seem extremely harsh not to allow Promo CD's and other formats of Promo Music to be sold ??



Promo games get sold all the time by people in fs/ ft forum, how is music any different?



Mike..

MikeBeaver;5326594

Promo games get sold all the time by people in fs/ ft forum, how is music … Promo games get sold all the time by people in fs/ ft forum, how is music any different?Mike..



aScottishbloke has said recently that they're not allowed to be sold any more as they don't have an RRP.

Original Poster

Sorry - I missed all of these reply's.

The thing is you can - as in abnybody can actually buy these CD's from Mastermix if you so wish...

Yes, obvioulsy you have to pay for them - in the main around £20 - £25 per CD - there is nothing on the CD's that forbids the owner sisposing of them or for that matter I guess selling them if there is a market?
Obvioulsy most of these are now long time deleted and are no longer available.... But like I say you can (if they were still available to buy) still buy them from the original supplier who is Mastermix and / or DMC.

I can understand your questionning and none of them are duplicates and so on - but in essance the same would ot could apply to other CDS and compliations surely?

Some of these CDs are purely that just a comliation of very hard to find on cd format records.

These are in some cases over 10 years old...
Like I say - they are always popping up on flea bay and what not - as there is also a market in them to buy new.

The original supplier is Music Factory in Yorkshire who have their own website and what not where you can buy them from - but me playing these CD's in my alter ego as a DJ wherever that may be has never come into the equation as anybody could call themselves a DJ and quite often DO!
LOL!!
So??

What do you think?
But I am certainly not trying to do anything dodgy if you know what I mean? A quick look on flea bay for MASTERMIX will shouw that plus the fact that if you so wish you CAN actually buy these from more than one retailer.

By the way they are NOT repeat NOT promo CD's they are something totally different. These are CD's of pre-mixed pre-released music.........

Let me know what you think.

Thanks again,
Cloud the cat
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aScottishBloke;5246777

Please do remember that the items offered for sale must not contain … Please do remember that the items offered for sale must not contain promotional material that is not licensed for resale,



RedIron;5326610

aScottishbloke has said recently that they're not allowed to be sold any … aScottishbloke has said recently that they're not allowed to be sold any more as they don't have an RRP.



does this mean that all bundled games that have not for resale or similar on the boxes are now banned from the fs/ft as well?

cloudthecat;5326761

Sorry - I missed all of these reply's.The thing is you can - as in … Sorry - I missed all of these reply's.The thing is you can - as in anybody can actually buy these CD's from Mastermix if you so wish...[COLOR="Blue"]Whilst that may be true in practice it certainly is not in theory. See T & C's for using their site.[/COLOR]Yes, obvioulsy you have to pay for them - in the main around £20 - £25 per CD - there is nothing on the CD's that forbids the owner disposing of them or for that matter I guess selling them if there is a market?[COLOR="blue"]Again not true. T & C's item 2.[/COLOR]2) [COLOR="Red"]Mastermix provides an internet service to Buyer as part of their subscription service for professional Disc Jockeys, radio stations and specific music-orientated professionals only, offering the sale of goods relating to DJ'ing. Mastermix products are for promotional use only and are not intended for sale to or use by members of the general public. Resale, distribution, copying, duplicating, lending, hiring or any form of copyright infringement is expressly prohibited.[/COLOR]Obviously most of these are now long time deleted and are no longer available.... But like I say you can (if they were still available to buy) still buy them from the original supplier who is Mastermix and / or DMC.I can understand your questioning and none of them are duplicates and so on - but in essence the same would or could apply to other CDS and compilations surely?Some of these CDs are purely that just a compilation of very hard to find on cd format records.These are in some cases over 10 years old... Like I say - they are always popping up on flea bay and what not - as there is also a market in them to buy new.The original supplier is Music Factory in Yorkshire who have their own website and what not where you can buy them from - but me playing these CD's in my alter ego as a DJ wherever that may be has never come into the equation as anybody could call themselves a DJ and quite often DO!LOL!!So??What do you think?But I am certainly not trying to do anything dodgy if you know what I mean? A quick look on flea bay for MASTERMIX will show that plus the fact that if you so wish you CAN actually buy these from more than one retailer.By the way they are NOT repeat NOT promo CD's they are something totally different. These are CD's of pre-mixed pre-released music.........[COLOR="Blue"]Quote from section 2 T & C's. [/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"] Mastermix products are for promotional use only and are not intended for sale to or use by members of the general public. [/COLOR]Let me know what you think.Thanks again,Cloud the catxxxxxxx



[COLOR="Blue"]A full list of the Terms and Conditions for Mastermix CD's can be found [/COLOR]]HERE.

Can I just add that I've only posted the info out of fairness, nothing against the OP or their wish to sell the items, in fact I have a load of Promo Cd's I'd like to offload at some stage so clarity of the FS/FT rules is needed.

Original Poster

Well,
This is beginning to open up a bigger can of worms then isn't it - as you know, and I know that these products ARE on general sale as a quick Google Search will show you. There is nothing stopping any member of the general public purchasing this music. Equally all licensed places should be licensed to play music - but they are not and so on and so forth.
As far as the Box Sets of all UK No !'s ever released are concerned and the box set of 80's and 90's music - are we going to apply the same logic to a box set purchased in (say) HMV as we do from a Box Set purchased from another retailer - purely because you come across HMV more often?

OR interestingly enough - are you actually saying thinking that I AM or WAS in fact a COOL Radio DJ?
(Blush blush)

It really isn't an issue for me either way - as these are only gathering dust and for the likes of members such as Mixmax - who clearly makes a hobby out of this kind of thing - it offers them the chance to buy what you can't get off flea bay for anywhere near that price.
Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly happy to go down the flea bay route if you so wish, which may indeed given postage yield me greater revenue - but that isn't the issue. Whatever these may yield is neither here nor there for me, as I don't need the money - I just thought in the spirt if UK HOT DEALS I would offer them to the members here first, before openning the floodgates of Flea Bay and disposing of them on there....
Incidentally, there are also shops on the internet that will gladly purchase these too - for onward sale and distribution - one being in wales.... (I believe) see capitalvinyl.com

C-T-C
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Banned

cloudthecat;5328324

Well, Incidentally, there are also shops on the internet that will gladly … Well, Incidentally, there are also shops on the internet that will gladly purchase these too - for onward sale and distribution - one being in wales.... (I believe) see http://www.capitalvinyl.com C-T-Cxxx



I'm on the case now - we'll try and get a definitive answer for you in a moment.

CTC.

I just want to reiterate that my postings are not in any way meant to be a dig at you or anything of the sort. I put the information up for The Mod/s to see that it's not quite as easy as writing, and I quote, "items offered for sale must not contain promotional material that is not licensed for resale"

Better to sort it out before posting rather than to put the items up for sale and then some smart ass like myself (grin) point out it's illegal.

As with most things copyright in the music industry the legal aspects are there as a "catch all" rather than a rule of practice. One doesn't have to research too far before it becomes evident that promo and "not for resale" mean nothing unless there is a likelihood of decreased sales.

All it needs is for someone to make a decision whether items such as your CTC can be sold.

Again no offence and respect to you

OOPS, was typing that as Scottish Bloke posted. Ignore the last sentence :oops::oops:

Just to make the can-of-worms a little bigger, "not for resale" does sometimes explicitly mean just that - such as in the case of OEM software, where reselling once it has been installed would break the EULAs, so allowing anything labelled as 'not for resale' would be a mistake.

Also you should be careful using the term RRP - its illegal to have an RRP on most consumer electronics items, so are they also banned? TSP is a much fairer and more accurate term, especially when the metric is comparing the price to Amazon and other (r)etailers.

Banned

cloudthecat,

Apologies for the prolonged delay in getting the promised response to you.

Having reviewed the terms and conditions applicable to mastermix and noted the following:

It is for promotional use only and is not intended for sale to or use by … It is for promotional use only and is not intended for sale to or use by members of the general public. Resale, distribution, copying, duplicating, lending, hiring or any form of copyright infringement is expressly prohibited.



we have decided not to allow sales of those particular items on HUKD, Other retailers and sites may interpret mastermix's terms and conditions as they wish.


I hope that explains our position.

Original Poster

OK no problem - as I have always stated - it isn't any problem at all - it was just with the spirit of the website if nothing else.

Don't get me wrong - I have noting against flea bay - but at all costs I would rather dispose of it here thatn there!!

LOL!

OK thanks for the opinion on what you regard as acceptable etc....

Still purrrring.

CTC

P.S. On a slightly different subject can one of the Mods or similar perhaps put out in (say) a similar wain to a pop up on the welcome screen that Bullying will NOT be tollerated......

Is it just me or are people becoming more aggressive / rude as this site gains in its popularity?
I appreciate that this isn't the place - nor the time - but it is one of the few places that wont attract the attention on the very few usual people that write such comments. It makes me so sad to see others hurt by this un-neccesary behaviour.
Anyway - as I said enough from me.

Thanks again, and most apologies for interupting you guys.


HUGE RESPECT

CTC.

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