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Rep has been meaningless since the neg rep was removed. Paul will say rep is just a bit of fun.
I think he has some changes in mind for the rep when he updates HUKD sometime in May.

it's all down to who reps you..as someone was saying on another thread..who has the power of 3 green blocks in one rep...you just require 4 of his reps to reach max...as you say it's all a bit silly.

I can give 5 green blocks at least... Just think about what edi and emma can do

COUGH !! Update!

An example is the Dominos thread... Me and sean gave rep, and he/she has 7 blocks from one post! I don't really want to give as much as I do, even if it is a good deal...

emasu

An example is the Dominos thread... Me and sean gave rep, and he/she has … An example is the Dominos thread... Me and sean gave rep, and he/she has 7 blocks from one post! I don't really want to give as much as I do, even if it is a good deal...



Ah, I see, I posted in that thread, questioning the rep system (in this case), I honestly believed the rep system was there as a show of how helpful people are over a long period and could be trusted regarding helpfulness, info and deals etc.

My mistake :-(

Original Poster

Yep, thats the exact one I was thinking of. A great deal, but kind of makes a mockery of reputation...

Surely it would be relatively simple to cap the rep points given? I personally would prefer to just rep a few points at a time rather than hundreds!

Or just have more colors/blocks etc.

My 2p would be to reset everyones total to either 0 or about 25% of their current total (which ever is greater, so those who currently have neg rep are back to zero), then limit both the amount of rep one person can give to about 50 points (half a block I think) and perhaps 200 per thread, as at least this way someone will have had to be repped by a lot of people over several threads to gain a maximum reputation.

Vowo

Ah, I see, I posted in that thread, questioning the rep system (in this … Ah, I see, I posted in that thread, questioning the rep system (in this case), I honestly believed the rep system was there as a show of how helpful people are over a long period and could be trusted regarding helpfulness, info and deals etc.My mistake :-(



No - What You Said Is Exactly what i think It does make a mockery - those with high rep just makes it look stupid. I say thankyou, but whenever I take up a deal - I leave rep for the OP. And when i leave that much, it doesn't look "right"

Original Poster

I think the most important thing would be a cap on the reputation points given - that would have pretty immediate effects. Does anyone with a high-reputation object to that (I personally would much rather I only gave 50 rep points or less). Perhaps a poll might be a good idea?

I know admin has made the position clear that rep is just a bit of fun, but surely an adjustment to cap the amount of rep given and adjust the amount needed for a block is a very straightforward thing to do (a ten minute job) and I personally think it would improve the rep system quite a lot.

I would have far more "job satisfaction" having earned the rep over a long period of time, with helping others.

(I didnt read how the rep system worked beforehand and didnt realise about the 4 block rep from higher repped ppl, I assumed, so my own fault for not looking it up.)

Original Poster

Its sort of getting worse by the day. I think most my reps have come from low-block members, and I'd like to think most of it was fairly earned, but its just takes 4 or 5 from members with 11 blocks to bring you to that total yourself. Now I myself am really wary of giving rep, because it is seen by many members as an indication of trust and reliability and I don't really want to bestow that on a brand new unknown member, as, for example, some undetected self-promotion could be going on.

But surely you judge someone on the quality of their posts/Deals etc anyway.

Not how much rep they have?

I judge the person on thier helpfulness, and the only way I can let others know how I feel, is the rep system, so giving 4 blocks, imo, isnt a true reflection on that.

As I mentioned earlier, my mistake, I didnt realise its just a bit of fun

Original Poster

Sort of yes and no. I don't really pay any attention to rep these days, but when I first started looking at this site I did and trusted the responses of those (talking more about in discussions than deal post) with high rep as obviously being established members (trusted and liked members) of the site, exactly like Vowo says. Obviously the more you read and post you get to know the people posting a lot better and the reputation becomes irrelevant - you know who to trust etc.

Anyhow, hopefully the magical update will sort something out, but I still reckon capping the rep. points given to 50 or something similar would be simple and beneficial to everyone. Can't wait

Is there a way to read rep given ? How do you know which post it was given to?
is there somewhere on here I can read up on rep?
Thanks

Hi Calmseas,

As far as I'm aware rep is private - you can read your own rep, but not anyone elses.

If reading your own rep what what you wanted to do the click on 'user cp' on the left of the top nav bar. That will show you the latest rep you have received, the comments made by the other user and which thread it came from.

The only way you can tell which user its from is if they put their name on the rep comments.

CALMSEAS

Is there a way to read rep given ? How do you know which post it was … Is there a way to read rep given ? How do you know which post it was given to?is there somewhere on here I can read up on rep?Thanks



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As angelkelly says, it shows the recent rep & the thread / post associated with it.

What bugs me about the rep giving,is,if someone posts what looks like a fantastic hot deal,rep flies at that person from all angles,then suddenly the red hot deal turns out to be a crock of ****,for instance the recent 101cd misprice fiasco,then that person has become a rep millionaire on the strength of a bum deal.There shold be a way to rescind the rep that you have given inadvertently.

You mean the votes bazr? I know that is a bit of a loophole but at the same time the member should deserve credit for spotting the misprice even if it didn't turn out in the end?

To be fair it wasn't the posters fault 101CD cancelled all orders - they still did post what seemed to be a good deal, and may have shot themselves in the foot as regard to their own orders through posting (though not likely considering MSE etc on this one). Easiest way to deal with that is to leave rep once you have the item.

best way is to rep after recieving the items.

maybe a box saying how many points you want to give and have a max for each person!

Admin

You mean the votes bazr? I know that is a bit of a loophole but at the … You mean the votes bazr? I know that is a bit of a loophole but at the same time the member should deserve credit for spotting the misprice even if it didn't turn out in the end?


No,i did mean rep,perhaps that was a bad example i gave.What i am meaning to say is that someone could post a deal knowing that there is a good chance that the deal will be void by the end of the day,but a lot of people could give out rep thinking that the deal is great.I know we would like to think that this would not happen,but these thing do unfortunately.

seancampbell

To be fair it wasn't the posters fault 101CD cancelled all orders - they … To be fair it wasn't the posters fault 101CD cancelled all orders - they still did post what seemed to be a good deal, and may have shot themselves in the foot as regard to their own orders through posting (though not likely considering MSE etc on this one). Easiest way to deal with that is to leave rep once you have the item.



Totally agree.......

I leave heat on a deal I think is good, wether or not I actually take advantage of it. Then if I do go for a deal, I wait until it arrives (if it ever does;-) ), comment on the item and leave rep for the poster.

If you think theres the slightest chance you would even want to retract some rep (wether this was possible or not:p ), dont leave it. Wait until your happy with the situation first. You can always bookmark the post to remind you.

angelkelly

Totally agree.......I leave heat on a deal I think is good, wether or not … Totally agree.......I leave heat on a deal I think is good, wether or not I actually take advantage of it. Then if I do go for a deal, I wait until it arrives (if it ever does;-) ), comment on the item and leave rep for the poster.If you think theres the slightest chance you would even want to retract some rep (wether this was possible or not:p ), dont leave it. Wait until your happy with the situation first. You can always bookmark the post to remind you.


But we,who are saying 'give it later' are all experienced dealseekers on this site and we all think along those lines,but to many who are not accustomed to the ways and means,this might not be the case.

Original Poster

This is one reason why I really think we should have the amount of rep-points we give when we rep capped, as its escalating rapidly and devaluing what little meaning there was in rep.

I personally now think its at the point where its unfair to those with high rep as they will not want to rep people for fear of making a "bad poster" have a good rep, for example in a case of self-promotion that wasn't spotted in time etc. Its at the stage now where if, for example, dinosteveus, emasu, loupomm and c32 (the normal members with the highest reputation) all repped someone they would then have a full set of blocks...

jah128

This is one reason why I really think we should have the amount of … This is one reason why I really think we should have the amount of rep-points we give when we rep capped, as its escalating rapidly and devaluing what little meaning there was in rep.I personally now think its at the point where its unfair to those with high rep as they will not want to rep people for fear of making a "bad poster" have a good rep, for example in a case of self-promotion that wasn't spotted in time etc. Its at the stage now where if, for example, dinosteveus, emasu, loupomm and c32 (the normal members with the highest reputation) all repped someone they would then have a full set of blocks...



True, when i rep someone it gives them 4 green blocks. Tad excessive most of the time. :thumbsup:

Original Poster

Syzable

True, when i rep someone it gives them 4 green blocks. Tad excessive most … True, when i rep someone it gives them 4 green blocks. Tad excessive most of the time. :thumbsup:



I guess that means there must be 15 or so people in your position, and no doubt several more who give 2+ blocks at a time. I think a cap of 100 points / 1 block per rep would make far more sense...

A cap is probably a good move but I wouldn't like to see everyone go to zilch again. No small feat to get 5 figure rep.

100 points = half a block later on jah.

Easiest solution? bring bag negatives - bad posters can then lose the trust they earnt with their deals.

Original Poster

True, can't see negs coming back though, looks forward to see whats instore with the update as I'm sure we all are.

Its still only 1700 points for a full set of blocks, and by the sounds of it people are giving 400+ points in one rep...

Don't think anyone wants to lose the rep they have either, but the point is the number of people with 2000+ points is growing exponentially, as people are giving more and more points each time.

Without negs though positive rep has no meaning anyway - if you can only go up it's no longer an indication of anything at all. What's the point in making you go up more slowly when it has no bearing anyway? It's not like perks unlock at certain rep level such as a private board to spam, or the ability to change your title.

Original Poster

It has no real meaning as it only goes up, but the problem is it is misleading to new users. Hover your mouse over the blocks by your name and it states 'seancampbell has a reputation beyond repute'. This I know is true, but the problem is soon there could be the situation where a member is said to have 'a reputation beyond repute' of one deal post alone, which I think is a potentially dangerous message...

Well just adding more levels solves that one as I suggested a while back.
I think the system can also add/remove perks for rep levels.
5k rep - removal of 30 second flood prevention
10k rep - 50 extra pm slots
-1000 rep - flood prevention goes from 30 seconds to 2 min, -3k from 2min to an hour.. prevents spamming pretty easily then. -50k (insane number) autoban.

A meaningful system with preventions inplace would be an improvement.

Another option is to make it 1 rep a day instead of current number. That way none of the "big hitters" can affect too many people.

seancampbell

To be fair it wasn't the posters fault 101CD cancelled all orders - they … To be fair it wasn't the posters fault 101CD cancelled all orders - they still did post what seemed to be a good deal, and may have shot themselves in the foot as regard to their own orders through posting (though not likely considering MSE etc on this one). Easiest way to deal with that is to leave rep once you have the item.



I completely agree, there has been several occasions i've found a great deal and have wondered if i should post it for everyone to take advantage of/abuse and normally when that happens, you'll find within moments, that it's already listed on several other forums and the merchant has pulled the plug on the deal but if it wasn't made so public, then the retailer may have not realised that there was a misprice in the first place and the misprice may have slipped through undetected.

I think it's pretty brave of people risking there own orders in order to benefit strangers, which i've also done in the past and wondered if i made the right decision or not but if it doesn't workout, i do believe it's unfair to say to someone "well done for spotting this deal for me" and then when it flops you send another message saying "i'm deleting the rep i left you earlier because you wasted my time and got me excited for no reason despite your risk."

I also agree that there should be a limit to the rep you can provide someone, i sometimes feel some helpful info deserves more than a simple thank you but not to the extent where you can make them one of the highest repped people on the forum, which can be dangerous for people that are trading with members with high rep, assuming they're well respected and then having the possability of being conned.

I think a 2 leveled tier of rep would be great, 1 that's offering more than a simple thank you, providing with a small amount of points and 1 that's at the current level and then the person providing the rep points will be responsible for how much rep they want to dish out.

realfriendlyman

I completely agree, there has been several occasions i've found a great … I completely agree, there has been several occasions i've found a great deal and have wondered if i should post it for everyone to take advantage of/abuse and normally when that happens, you'll find within moments, that it's already listed on several other forums and the merchant has pulled the plug on the deal but if it wasn't made so public, then the retailer may have not realised that there was a misprice in the first place and the misprice may have slipped through undetected.I think it's pretty brave of people risking there own orders in order to benefit strangers, which i've also done in the past and wondered if i made the right decision or not but if it doesn't workout, i do believe it's unfair to say to someone "well done for spotting this deal for me" and then when it flops you send another message saying "i'm deleting the rep i left you earlier because you wasted my time and got me excited for no reason."




can rep be deleted? i didnt know that :?

bazr

But we,who are saying 'give it later' are all experienced dealseekers on … But we,who are saying 'give it later' are all experienced dealseekers on this site and we all think along those lines,but to many who are not accustomed to the ways and means,this might not be the case.


Ah but in that vein of thought... 'we' are the only ones with power enough to increase other peeps rep by 3 and 4 blocks

More inexperienced users wont have earnt enough rep themselves yet to affect others that easily

seancampbell

Well just adding more levels solves that one as I suggested a while … Well just adding more levels solves that one as I suggested a while back.I think the system can also add/remove perks for rep levels.5k rep - removal of 30 second flood prevention10k rep - 50 extra pm slots-1000 rep - flood prevention goes from 30 seconds to 2 min, -3k from 2min to an hour.. prevents spamming pretty easily then. -50k (insane number) autoban.A meaningful system with preventions inplace would be an improvement.Another option is to make it 1 rep a day instead of current number. That way none of the "big hitters" can affect too many people.


Was just about to post along these lines:thumbsup:

I really like to see extra PM slots coz I have to make sure I remember to clear the old ones out - lol

loupomm

can rep be deleted? i didnt know that :?



Hi Lou

It can't be deleted but Bazr suggested along those lines for deals that didn't work out the way it was supposed to e.g cancelled misprice orders.

Neg rep used to be available but i think that caused more arguements than it was worth and would of been even worse for people with strong opinions that are occasionally 100% corrert, although contraversial, so i feel neg reps removal was a good move for the sake of the harmony on the forums. ;-)

angelkelly

Was just about to post along these lines:thumbsup: I really like to see … Was just about to post along these lines:thumbsup: I really like to see extra PM slots coz I have to make sure I remember to clear the old ones out - lol



I think PM's are one of the biggest issues on the site, as i have to regularily delete my PM's, which can be a hassle and sometimes i end up deleting something which i really don't want to.

realfriendlyman

I think PM's are one of the biggest issues on the site, as i have to … I think PM's are one of the biggest issues on the site, as i have to regularily delete my PM's, which can be a hassle and sometimes i end up deleting something which i really don't want to.


There is an archive function for that though to be fair - bottom right of inbox
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