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Ummmm, as far as I know HUKD do not condone ANY deals posted. They cannot influence any deal but I understand what you re saying.

Banned

but it can also be used legally, the same as an ipod, mp3 player, etc,etc, shall we remove all of those too ;-)

The R4DS can be used to play legitimate homebrew games which are perfectly legal - I'm using my CycloDS for this purpose.

Lots of things could potentially be used for illegal purposes - should we remove all Divx-playing DVD players because you can play downloaded movies on them???? Remove any computer deals that come with a CD-writer because you might use it to copy CDs???

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sassie

but it can also be used legally, the same as an ipod, mp3 player, … but it can also be used legally, the same as an ipod, mp3 player, etc,etc, shall we remove all of those too ;-)



No, obviously, nor on merit the deal with the flashcard im concerned with, however my point is we don't discuss how to for example download mp3's illegally, so why is discussion about downloading illegal games allowed.

I have no problems with the actual product, just the discussion that follows it.

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megamoo

No, obviously, nor on merit the deal with the flashcard im concerned … No, obviously, nor on merit the deal with the flashcard im concerned with, however my point is we don't discuss how to for example download mp3's illegally, so why is discussion about downloading illegal games allowed.I have no problems with the actual product, just the discussion that follows it.


oh right, got ya, yes i am always a little shocked when i see this sort of thing too, like the members who tell others to order goods with the intention of returning them and getting doublt there money back, or buy this get free voucher, spend voucher and return goods, theres loads of posts on here that are like this and all you can do is hope that the good people out weigh the bad ;-)

I've reread the thread, and noone has listed any sites to go to to get illgal games

megamoo

main purpose of this card of which I'm sure 90% of all those buying it … main purpose of this card of which I'm sure 90% of all those buying it are aiming to do, is to download games and make them playable on the console. Now of course no one in the thread has said this but have eluded to it in a rather obvious fashion.



[LEFT][SIZE="7"]yes totally agree[/SIZE][/LEFT]

people say mp3 players can be used illegally BUT
This thing is designed to play "back up" games common people we need to STOP piracy!!!!

Repped for making such an good thread when I ever seem to address piracy issues i get screwed @

qazim

people say mp3 players can be used illegally BUTThis thing is designed to … people say mp3 players can be used illegally BUTThis thing is designed to play "back up" games common people we need to STOP piracy!!!!


And MP3 players are designed to play original CD's yeah?:roll: Anything that can use a copy can have a legal use by saying it should be banned you accuse ALL users of an item of having criminal intent. Why not go the whole hog and ban photocopiers, dark ages here we come.

qazim

[LEFT][SIZE=7]yes totally agree[/SIZE][/LEFT]people say mp3 players can … [LEFT][SIZE=7]yes totally agree[/SIZE][/LEFT]people say mp3 players can be used illegally BUTThis thing is designed to play "back up" games common people we need to STOP piracy!!!!Repped for making such an good thread when I ever seem to address piracy issues i get screwed @



But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling:

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yipykayay

But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the … But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling: ]http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108892


PMSL, Nice one.:giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

yipykayay

But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the … But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling: ]http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108892


Well spotted, now there`s hypocracy for you!:giggle:

Repped.

yipykayay

But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the … But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling: ]http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108892



qazim

ahh i should of made it more clearsomthing like this like a fake version … ahh i should of made it more clearsomthing like this like a fake version or somthing to bring the price right now



Owned :giggle:

Rep to yipykayay:thumbsup:

Shengis

And MP3 players are designed to play original CD's yeah?:roll: Anything … And MP3 players are designed to play original CD's yeah?:roll: Anything that can use a copy can have a legal use by saying it should be banned you accuse ALL users of an item of having criminal intent. Why not go the whole hog and ban photocopiers, dark ages here we come.






How can anyone take advice on piracy seriously from a pirate? :giggle:

left rep for yipykayay

:giggle:

made me chuckle

Carterman

How can anyone take advice on piracy seriously from a pirate? :giggle:


But that's like saying, how can anyone take advice on criminal acts from a policeman;-) :giggle:

Shengis

But that's like saying, how can anyone take advice on criminal acts from … But that's like saying, how can anyone take advice on criminal acts from a policeman;-) :giggle:




The police are giving advice about criminal acts now? This country is definately going to the dogs. :whistling:


It just tickled me seeing your avatar in this thread about piracy :giggle:

Banned

the best people to advise are those that have done ;-)

sassie

the best people to advise are those that have done ;-)




I realise that piracy can have serious long lasting effects on a persons conscience which should not be overlooked. I've heard it's quite easy to download content from certain 'member's only' websites but the peril that is harboured within these sites is not to be trifled with. A naive individual could make the mistake of downloading such things as 'Superbad' and 'I pronounce you Chuck and Larry' but after viewing them they might never get back their sanity. Pirates beware - even those with muskets. :thumbsup:

yipykayay

But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the … But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling: ]http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108892



cuzzy

Well spotted, now there`s hypocracy for you!:giggle:Repped.



Shengis

Owned :giggle: Rep to yipykayay:thumbsup:




Well its not piracy is it?

"Laaaarrrrreeeeyyyy, Laaarrrrreeeeyyyyyy" :lol:

qazim

Well its not piracy is it?


So asking for a 'knock off' that costs a company its income is different in what way exactly?

I don't see how wanting cheap unbranded ipod socks is comparably to piracy either to be honest.

Starlet

I don't see how wanting cheap unbranded ipod socks is comparably to … I don't see how wanting cheap unbranded ipod socks is comparably to piracy either to be honest.


But he didnt ask for a 'generic' unbranded sock, he asked for a 'fake'. Subtle difference. Fake/replica indicates a copy product:thumbsup:

I think they just meant non branded ones though, judging from the rest of the posts in the thread etc. Do they even do 'fake' iPod socks, I don't know...you guys are probably right, but I think it's possible you have just misunderstood what he was asking for

Shengis

But he didnt ask for a 'generic' unbranded sock, he asked for a 'fake'. … But he didnt ask for a 'generic' unbranded sock, he asked for a 'fake'. Subtle difference. Fake/replica indicates a copy product:thumbsup:




Starlet

I think they just meant non branded ones though, judging from the rest of … I think they just meant non branded ones though, judging from the rest of the posts in the thread etc. Do they even do 'fake' iPod socks, I don't know...you guys are probably right, but I think it's possible you have just misunderstood what he was asking for



Yes thats what I ment but people took it the wrong way anyway I admit it I brought a pair from a website and I think there are fakes NOT sure.


BUT as far as I am aware I am not breaking the law buying replica/fake from reading this article:
guardian.co.uk/mon…aud


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Now downloading games/music/moves is a bigger crime and bigger sentence I dont really care if people do it I just would like to prevent piracy from happening.

It's all down to 'intellectual property rights'. If the socks you bought and suspect may be fakes have the apple logo on them, they breach copyright (if they are indeed fake) so are illegal copies.

Not making any judgments as nearly everybody buys fakes whether knowingly or not. Just drawing the comparison to software/media products as the same laws are applicable:thumbsup:

Shengis

It's all down to 'intellectual property rights'. If the socks you bought … It's all down to 'intellectual property rights'. If the socks you bought and suspect may be fakes have the apple logo on them, they breach copyright (if they are indeed fake) so are illegal copies.Not making any judgments as nearly everybody buys fakes whether knowingly or not. Just drawing the comparison to software/media products as the same laws are applicable:thumbsup:




yes but I cannot tell if they are fakes are they? So how is that breaking the law? Its like saying my T shirt I am wearing now brought from M&S could be fake so I am breaking copyright law. No its wrong. Its not the consumers fault if its fake nor its the consumers job to check whether there fake or not.

And Software / games / movies / music you know when you are downloading illegal ............. if you download any of those illegally its like going into the shop and stealing it!

So as long as you are ignorant to the crime, it isn't a crime? lol

Starlet

So as long as you are ignorant to the crime, it isn't a crime? lol



nooooooooo

But if you walk down to I dont know um...................
ok

Say you buy some headphones of the Internet for example cost you £30 pretty much same price else where.........they arrived and they worked fine


BUT

Then how do YOU know there fakes?
How do you know there originals?

As long as they do the job right? the consumer dont care its going to stay like this for along time there is nothing no one can do about it


where piracy is a total different thing

So as long as its a physical object it's ok to be fake?

It's an old arguement on the front of internet piracy etc about going in a shop and nicking a CD, but the fact is you're not taking an object away from anybody, just the royalties from IPR. I'm not saying I condone piracy, I just don't believe it's as big a problem as the likes of RIAA/MPAA/BPI make it out to be. The simple answer to those organisations is :

Chase the big pirates who sell for profit and stop picking on somebody with a handfull of songs and no money to mount a defence as they did the other month in the good old U S of A. ($220k damages for 24 songs? Come on...).

Also, be more competitive and stop acting as a cartel. (google what they did to CD-Wow...)

Original Poster

Well in a attempt to get this thread back on track and not just a question of qazim's honour...

What I'm trying to say here, is HUKDs should not be a place where people discuss and ultimately help each other to break the law.

For example we wouldn't have a thread in which people share the best way to steal dvd's from shops.

Nor would we discuss how-to scam other people on the internet,

However we do have a thread in which users discuss how-to get illegal games and download them.

I personally can't see the difference between those examples.

Again.. I have no problem with any deal that is posted and people are free to do what they want to but surely it shouldn't be encouraged and assisted.

This is not a rant, (well I hope not) but just a thought that maybe we should consider.

Were there any links posted? I had a quick scan and found a few lazy gits asking where to get backups from (you bad people) but couldn't see anybody telling them where? Must admit I didn't really pay much attention.

Onto a comment somebody made on there though. People who play the backups wouldn't have bought them anyway. Probably true. I'm an honest person (relatively) and at one point I was downloading Xbox games. If they were any good I bought them, if not I binned them as they weren't worth keeping. Why would I download games? Well if you buy one and its **** SHOPS WON'T ALLOW YOU TO RETURN THEM. Sod that. (same goes for music/dvd in most outlets)

The quest for Jaws unleashed STILL goes on though and I may have to bite the bullet and import an NTSC copy like I did with Clone Wars :-(

I've just been through the thread. There are no links to any sites where you can download games illegally and if any appear then it'd be really helpful if you could hit the report button on the post.

Sloth/Mod

Downloading films, music etc of the internet is NOT illegal.

Reproducing them is illegal. :thumbsup:


Also, for the sake of this argument. To apply the same logic then all non general vouchers should be banned, as well as companies like GAP etc who illegally use child labour to make their goods. Actually i think you could probably find a valid reason to prevent any deal if you dug far enough so you could therefore have a blank forum.

Banned

yipykayay

But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the … But it's perfectly acceptable for you to request fake ipod socks in the deal request forum. :whistling: ]http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108892



Well, well well.

Lets hope its the last whimper on the subject!

Banned

qazim
yes but I cannot tell if they are fakes are they? So how is that breaking the law?


You specifically asked for a fake, I presume its so others wont know you've bought a copy.

Are you saying because you bought the fake as opposed to buying or downloading something else, that somehow means you can pass judgement with a clear conscience?

Personally I couldn't care less. But it always makes me laugh to see people act so innocently and speak out when they are not so squeaky clean themselves.

I know a site where you can download fake ipod socks !£$%$$%^&*&*

Syzable

Downloading films, music etc of the internet is NOT illegal.Reproducing … Downloading films, music etc of the internet is NOT illegal.Reproducing them is illegal. :thumbsup:



I think you'll find that the copyright police disagree... :?

Sloth/Mod

duckmagicuk2

I think you'll find that the copyright police disagree... :?



You haven't infringed any copyright until you have actually reproduced it. A bunch of files on your PC means nothing until you do something with them.

Banned

I think most reasonable people know what "breaking the Law" means , and there is a lot of discussion of "how to" , for example, find illigal downloads, hack this or hack that, or how to use free codes for shopping when your not entitled to use them.

This practice will always continue as everyone likes a deal or wants something for nothing, but the day the people from Fact, trading standards, customs, or the police come knocking, then your going to be the one who has to account for why you have done X Yor Z, but for the time being I dont see how a forum can stop people talking about "how to" its just impractical
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