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No more rules please.

I think there fine, people backup as well.

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yeah i thought it stupid to as i read somewhere that they would be cracking down on the sale of modded consoles and that ebay were not allowing them to be sold, i dont know if they are still being sold on there but if ebay are saying no then i wouldnt want them being sold on my site cos ebay are the worse for breaking laws and allowing people to sell the wrong things

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modded consoles or just flashed xbox's?

i think they shouldnt be allowed, there is no legal benefit from flashing them and as already mentioned it advocates piracy

count me as in favour of the ban this is worse than profiteering or selling vouchers 10 fold

I think thats a really silly suggestion. If people want to mod their consoles, they will get it done. Like the 1 million Xbox owners who have been banned from Live. Preventing the sale of these will not reduce piracy.

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hdizzle;6926912

I think thats a really silly suggestion. If people want to mod their … I think thats a really silly suggestion. If people want to mod their consoles, they will get it done. Like the 1 million Xbox owners who have been banned from Live. Preventing the sale of these will not reduce piracy.



what you mean like advertising doesnt make much difference......lol

you only have to look at the inglorious basterds torrent thread to see that some people who frequent the site dont have a clue about certain "things"then suddenly they are asking what rips and torrents are.......its promoting piracy at the end of the day simple as that.....the amount of traffic this site has is immense

casparwhite;6926810

modded consoles or just flashed xbox's?i think they shouldnt be allowed, … modded consoles or just flashed xbox's?i think they shouldnt be allowed, there is no legal benefit from flashing them and as already mentioned it advocates piracycount me as in favour of the ban this is worse than profiteering or selling vouchers 10 fold



:thumbsup: Absolutley agree, you can't make 1p profit on something you own but you can sell something that blatantly encourages pirated material. Some priorities wrong somehwere.

I agree, I can't understand how the ds card thingys are banned yet a fully modded xbox 360 is still allowed.

The only exceptions I'd have are original xboxes which can be modded to be one helluva media centre and generally if you are modding it it's not to play a pirate copy of fifa 2004.

ants97;6927228

I agree, I can't understand how the ds card thingys are banned yet a … I agree, I can't understand how the ds card thingys are banned yet a fully modded xbox 360 is still allowed. The only exceptions I'd have are original xboxes which can be modded to be one helluva media centre and generally if you are modding it it's not to play a pirate copy of fifa 2004.



I'm guessing its because they banned copied media.

But with the console if your selling on here any copied media it's removed from the sale.

Of course this doesn't stop the user from sending it with the console.

I have to admit, that ignoring the whole piracy issue for a moment, I'm not really a fan of online play, so the chance to get hold of a cheap second 360 to play the few games I want that didn't get PC ports is attractive to me, if only it wasn't that every banned 360 I've seen so far has been MORE expensive than a new one, I was hoping I was going to find em going for £50 as everyone seems to be seeing them as useless without online play.

Am I missing something tho? I will be able to play all single player games normally on a 360 with no live account, right?

I'll state again, that I want to BUY games for it, I just don't care about online and if this gives me a cheap way to get in, I'd be up for it. Mainly Dead Rising, Katamari, and GTA IV as the PC port is 'king awful !

I'm wondering if the banned machines I've seen elsewhere, they're factoring in stacks of knock off games with them too, maybe that's why they're so inflated? As I say tho, I really just want a basic machine, ideally with a 20gb drive, cheap Was watching out for that bargainous £100 Morrison's deal but was sadly a misreading.

TotalCarnage;6927415

I have to admit, that ignoring the whole piracy issue for a moment, I'm … I have to admit, that ignoring the whole piracy issue for a moment, I'm not really a fan of online play, so the chance to get hold of a cheap second 360 to play the few games I want that didn't get PC ports is attractive to me, if only it wasn't that every banned 360 I've seen so far has been MORE expensive than a new one, I was hoping I was going to find em going for £50 as everyone seems to be seeing them as useless without online play.Am I missing something tho? I will be able to play all single player games normally on a 360 with no live account, right?I'll state again, that I want to BUY games for it, I just don't care about online and if this gives me a cheap way to get in, I'd be up for it. Mainly Dead Rising, Katamari, and GTA IV as the PC port is 'king awful !I'm wondering if the banned machines I've seen elsewhere, they're factoring in stacks of knock off games with them too, maybe that's why they're so inflated? As I say tho, I really just want a basic machine, ideally with a 20gb drive, cheap Was watching out for that bargainous £100 Morrison's deal but was sadly a misreading.



What has this got to do with modded consoles?

Adam2050;6927320

Of course this doesn't stop the user from sending it with the console.



Exactly, another reason to stop the trading of them on here. I'm sure once a deal gets to pm there is a fair amount of "oh by the way if you happen to have any spare game discs lying around then don't suppose you could chuck them in package"

If we keep pushing the rules for changes, won't be so long before all we can sell is items with a receipt, most likely clothes only :-(

greg_68;6927502

What has this got to do with modded consoles?



I think its because he's saying that he thought a banned modded console would be worth less due to the fact that you can't play with racists and homphobes, whereas there has been little drop in the price of modded consoles compared to those that are not modded. I would imagine the cost of a banned console is still worth something to someone that doesn't want to play on live (like me) so there wont be a significant fall in the price.

Modding consoles is illegal in the uk though you'd have to include PSP's in that list.

^^ I don't think it is illegal to mod consoles.

ants97;6927228

I agree, I can't understand how the ds card thingys are banned yet a … I agree, I can't understand how the ds card thingys are banned yet a fully modded xbox 360 is still allowed. The only exceptions I'd have are original xboxes which can be modded to be one helluva media centre and generally if you are modding it it's not to play a pirate copy of fifa 2004.



It does seem a little contradictory, you have to draw the line somewhere though, if your banning the sale of modded consoles then it should include ALL modded consoles, xbox, PS2, PSP, PS, xbox 360.

For example, you might want to mod an original xbox to play KOTOR or one of the rarer, more expensive games, who's to know?

I like the freedom of choice so i'm all for them...

greg_68;6927687

^^ I don't think it is illegal to mod consoles.



I believe It is in the UK.

EDIT : Though to be fair I would have agreed with you until it was pointed out to me a while ago.

Some people though confuse themselves on this forum, they complain/argue agains't the RRP stating 'people should be allowed to sell whatever they want at whatever price', then want them to ban consoles which is going to restrict more freedom, to me really doesn't make sense.

As Flodd's said not all gamers want to use a chipped/banned console for copying games.

But if its illegal in the UK, I can see Hotukdeals banning all consoles now.

Interesting article on the matter (it's American, but throws up some decent points)

arstechnica.com/gam…ars

And another....

gamasutra.com/php…027

What makes me laugh us that the DS cards are banned (when you can use them to play music, videos, homebrew etc) but the modded 360s are allowed - when you can't do much else than play hooky games on them.

Imo, none of them shouldt be allowed on here

Adam2050;6927610

If we keep pushing the rules for changes, won't be so long before all we … If we keep pushing the rules for changes, won't be so long before all we can sell is items with a receipt, most likely clothes only :-(



thats just nonsense. av forums doesn't allow modded consoles ( think old xbox/psp is okay) and I don't think they suffer becuase of it.

but you may have a point about the receipt but that'll be down to the "profiteering" rule and another thread altogether.

ants97;6928146

thats just nonsense. av forums doesn't allow modded consoles ( think old … thats just nonsense. av forums doesn't allow modded consoles ( think old xbox/psp is okay) and I don't think they suffer becuase of it. but you may have a point about the receipt but that'll be down to the "profiteering" rule and another thread altogether.



Why would the old xbox and the PSP be any different?

Flodd;6928270

Why would the old xbox and the PSP be any different?



no idea about the psp but I'll guess its becuse they don't make the original xbox anymore and when it is modded it's primarily used as a media centre but it's only a guess.

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you are not allowed to sell pandoras battery for psp and isnt there quite a bit of homebrew available for use with the psp?

also the fact there are umpteen of them with "banned" in the header listed recently after the banning spree from microsoft , blatantly advertising and possibly attracting people to the site for this sole purpose, as most other sites do not allow the sale of them...........do we really need more pirates? lol

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I'm also surprised they are allowed, considering the law. I certainly wouldn't allow it if it were my site, even more so if it was a site as big as this, as when (when rather than if) the authorities decide to go after a site as a test then you can be sure it will be a big one rather than a site with half a dozen members. At the moment it's easier for them to go after sites that allow sales/trades of copied disks but I'm sure one day TS will decide to go after a site allowing modded consoles to be sold.

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the thread fits in neatly with the decision made yesterday in the court of appeal.....modding consoles

technically to advertise/sell the chips is illegal......which i should imagine stands with these modded consoles being sold here .....unless the chip has been taken out then you are possibly breaking the law

theregister.co.uk/200…ng/

is the case as some might remember

here is the full ruling

bailii.org/ew/…tml

I might as well as for all blank DVD's and CD's deals to be removed.

Thanks.

thesaint;6930448

I might as well as for all blank DVD's and CD's deals to be … I might as well as for all blank DVD's and CD's deals to be removed.Thanks.



:roll:

Blank Media can be used for storing all sorts of things...... pics, videos, files, music etc. Burning illegal copies of games to them probably makes up a tiny percentage of the things that they are used for.

A modded XBox 360 only has one different use over a regular one - playing backups.

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thesaint;6930448

I might as well as for all blank DVD's and CD's deals to be … I might as well as for all blank DVD's and CD's deals to be removed.Thanks.



Why? Are they illegal to sell too?
Or just trolling?

midlandscomics;6930742

:roll:Blank Media can be used for storing all sorts of things...... pics, … :roll:Blank Media can be used for storing all sorts of things...... pics, videos, files, music etc. Burning illegal copies of games to them probably makes up a tiny percentage of the things that they are used for.A modded XBox 360 only has one different use over a regular one - playing backups.



So if it had another use, it'd be okay?

colinsunderland;6931366

Why? Are they illegal to sell too?



I didn't realise that flashed 360's were illegal to sell.
I agree that they should be banned.

thesaint;6932134

So if it had another use, it'd be okay?



No :?

But you came out with the ridiculous comment that blank media should removed from here too. If you want to be like that, permanent marker pens should be banned too, as they can be used to write the names of the games on the discs :roll:

midlandscomics;6932291

No :?But you came out with the ridiculous comment that blank media should … No :?But you came out with the ridiculous comment that blank media should removed from here too. If you want to be like that, permanent marker pens should be banned too, as they can be used to write the names of the games on the discs :roll:



Now you're learning.

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thesaint;6932134

So if it had another use, it'd be okay?



not if selling it was illegal, which in this case is very likely to be the case

I didn't realise that flashed 360's were illegal to sell.I agree that … I didn't realise that flashed 360's were illegal to sell.I agree that they should be banned.



The topic is modded consoles, modded tends to mean a mod chip installed.
As for flashing a console, I don't think thats been tested in court so until it has then presumably they are legal to sell.
So again, are blank discs illegal to sell like modded consoles are?

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midlandscomics;6932291

No :?But you came out with the ridiculous comment that blank media should … No :?But you came out with the ridiculous comment that blank media should removed from here too. If you want to be like that, permanent marker pens should be banned too, as they can be used to write the names of the games on the discs :roll:



don't forget all original dvds, cds, games etc as they could be used to copy from....:-D

ants97;6928299

no idea about the psp but I'll guess its becuse they don't make the … no idea about the psp but I'll guess its becuse they don't make the original xbox anymore and when it is modded it's primarily used as a media centre but it's only a guess.



I assumed the same about the original Xbox but I've always been surprised they allow modded PSP's.

John

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Why do the mods never reply to threads like these

colinsunderland;6932913

not if selling it was illegal, which in this case is very likely to be … not if selling it was illegal, which in this case is very likely to be the caseThe topic is modded consoles, modded tends to mean a mod chip installed.As for flashing a console, I don't think thats been tested in court so until it has then presumably they are legal to sell.



I think modded means "Modified". 360's don't have chips installed. Is that okay for them to be sold now?

colinsunderland;6932913

So again, are blank discs illegal to sell like modded consoles are?



Link to this law?

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thesaint;6933739

I think modded means "Modified". 360's don't have chips installed. Is … I think modded means "Modified". 360's don't have chips installed. Is that okay for them to be sold now?Link to this law?



There's already been links posted in the thread, go back a page.

]Here's one from a while back too

colinsunderland;6933823

There's already been links posted in the thread, go back a page.]Here's … There's already been links posted in the thread, go back a page.]Here's one from a while back too



No links to any laws in this thread.

The link you gave with 80 games contained on the HD may have something to do with his conviction?

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thesaint;6933863

No links to any laws in this thread.



The link I put in showed someone had been took to court for it, do you think the courts can convict someone of something that isn't actually an offence?

Here's the link from earlier, although not law in itself, it is a court of appeal ruling, which has references to the relevant laws, and can also now be used as case law.

bailii.org/ew/…tml

EDIT: the story starts with

A 22-year-old man has become the first person in the UK to be convicted for modifying a video games console.

colinsunderland;6933908

The link I put in showed someone had been took to court for it, do you … The link I put in showed someone had been took to court for it, do you think the courts can convict someone of something that isn't actually an offence?



In both instances the offence was making modifications to the hardware, wheras flashing the console only affects the software, albeit with the caveat that you have to ppen it to flash it...

I guess that's the difference? If Microsoft or Sony can prove in a court of law that the firmware is intellectual copyright then it could be considered illegal - until then it seems to be fair game...

EDIT : ]this is dodgy ground though... it's one thing to want to advertise your need to play 'backups' it's another thing entirely to make it clear your using it for copies.

There was a case in the hifi speaker cable threat where someone had modded their amp, by replacing components, to make it sound better. Once you've bought it, it's yours. If we are talking about flashing the firmware, it's just the same as going from Windows Vista to Windows 7.

What about unlocked phones? They have also been modded. We'll have to ban them too.
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