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who? what? when?

Original Poster Banned

just seen a new member suspended for trying to sell an amzon voucher for a friend, he registered today makes 4 posts and suspended for this 1st rule break, a little extreme


hotukdeals.com/ite…749

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especially as selling for others HAS been allowed before

Strange - not like the guy was being dishonest

Original Poster Banned

especially when this member who isnt new hasnt been suspended due to trying to sell back up games, although he soon will get a suspension for duplicate account

hotukdeals.com/ite…560

Wholly appropriate for a Mod to suspend a user for breaking a rule for the first time.

Original Poster Banned

StevenA2000_uk;4635694

Wholly appropriate for a Mod to suspend a user for breaking a rule for … Wholly appropriate for a Mod to suspend a user for breaking a rule for the first time.



yep totally agree, across the board though aye

mod's are always tough on the newbies until they prove themselves.

They should read the rules. If sassie can read them then so should everybody else!

It's a valuble lesson for them. Ignorance is no defence. If I ran over your child whilst drunk would a few stiff words do if I said I didn't know it was wrong?

Its like when my mate got banned for buying a router.

guv;4636020

Bit dramatical?Making a mistake in a forum is hardly compared to breaking … Bit dramatical?Making a mistake in a forum is hardly compared to breaking the law in such a way that could end up with you behind bars for life!However, by all means read over my post above and comment. I'd be interested in your views.



Maybe a little over the top!

Anyway to your point. As he had posts removed a few days before one would suspect he got a warning for it. Then did it again and got banned. I cant say as I don't know the facts.
Try asking duck as he was probably the one who gave him the first warning and maybe banned him. It's always hard to say when posts get removed.
They used to leave comments under the posts so people know whats going on. Thats also useful for other people too but seems to have stopped now.

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the guy with the amazon voucher was harsh man he said he bought it for a friend who didnt want it ,so was selling it for him to get somat else, as he bought it for him there was nothing to say that it had been handed over to his friend yet and NOT in his possesion

extremly presumptious

Banned

Members are generally treated with some respect when rule breaking. Most are suspensions rather than bans. This affords them the opportunity to review the appropriate rules and regs during their period of non posting.;-)

aScottishBloke;4636131

Members are generally treated with some respect when rule breaking. Most … Members are generally treated with some respect when rule breaking. Most are suspensions rather than bans. This affords them the opportunity to review the appropriate rules and regs during their period of non posting.;-)



spoken by a true gent!

Oh, we are still to have our game of Fifa dude..:thumbsup:




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btw, Hi Rayman

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casparwhite;4636126

the guy with the amazon voucher was harsh man he said he bought it for a … the guy with the amazon voucher was harsh man he said he bought it for a friend who didnt want it ,so was selling it for him to get somat else, as he bought it for him there was nothing to say that it had been handed over to his friend yet and NOT in his possesionextremly presumptious



Caspar,

Come on, you're being presumptious. The OP's quote was "It was bought for my friend". They didn't say they purchased nor had they confirmed they were the owner of the voucher.

Too much ambiguity, a rule breach and a recipie for avoidance if it all goes pete tong.

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DudeyGeeza;4636134

spoken by a true gent!Oh, we are still to have our game of Fifa … spoken by a true gent!Oh, we are still to have our game of Fifa dude..:thumbsup:



Aye, no problem - not looking forward to the humping though :w00t:

aScottishBloke;4636150

Aye, no problem - not looking forward to the humping though :w00t:



Humping??? hmm not quite what I had in mind dude... but what ever takes your fancy!! hehe:thumbsup:




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btw, Hi Rayman

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aScottishBloke;4636146

Caspar,Come on, you're being presumptious. The OP's quote was "It was … Caspar,Come on, you're being presumptious. The OP's quote was "It was bought for my friend". They didn't say they purchased nor had they confirmed they were the owner of the voucher.Too much ambiguity, a rule breach and a recipie for avoidance if it all goes pete tong.



yeah i suppose there is an air of ambiguility about the post and could of been cleared up easily but its not hard to spot who reported it tho coz i dont think the mods would of gone looking for it

oh well tough tatties

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DudeyGeeza;4636153

Humping??? hmm not quite what I had in mind dude... but what ever takes … Humping??? hmm not quite what I had in mind dude... but what ever takes your fancy!! hehe:thumbsup:--------------------------------btw, Hi Rayman



He he - Here's another point - Are sigs allowed ?

Watch out ye don't get reported :thinking:

aScottishBloke;4636159

He he - Here's another point - Are sigs allowed ?Watch out ye don't get … He he - Here's another point - Are sigs allowed ?Watch out ye don't get reported :thinking:





It's not a sig, far from it, just me being the nice person that I am by saying hello to someone that does not get the appreciation they deserve. I have to write that everytime, the lines seperate it from what I am in the thread for..:thumbsup:



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btw, Hi Rayman

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casparwhite;4636157

yeah i suppose there is an air of ambiguility about the post and could of … yeah i suppose there is an air of ambiguility about the post and could of been cleared up easily but its not hard to spot who reported it tho coz i dont think the mods would of gone looking for itoh well tough tatties



Nor would I expect the mods to trawl every post, so the member who reported the thread followed the correct course of action.

A more worrying point is the members who can't wait to lodge a 'bid' in their quest for a 'bargain', yet should know that the rules are not being adhered to. It's those members who are being protected

guv;4636133

Just reading through the posts to see what you meant, new members aren't … Just reading through the posts to see what you meant, new members aren't allowed to post things with links or images. His post was to help someone with a deal request for memory with links to memorybit. He enquired where the posts went - and as you can see it was put back after Duck had vetted. The same thing happened in my thread (ie he posted a link that never appeared and asked why)Like I said, I have spoken to him. He's as baffled as I am -particularly with the reason given. Maybe he owns Memorybits then? (He didn't admit that to me if he does!)Thing is, without a response, all it does is perpetuates the belief that the mods have lost the plot. Silence tells its own story.



Ah see I didn't know that. Just thought he had had something removed. The only thing I can think of is as you said self promotion. It may because his site uses the same isp ID as his user so its automatically classed as self promotion? So in future we all know to use file upload sites instead of hour own servers.
Maybe if he made it a hotdeals affiliate then it would be ok!:roll:

aScottishBloke;4636167

Nor would I expect the mods to trawl every post, so the member who … Nor would I expect the mods to trawl every post, so the member who reported the thread followed the correct course of action.A more worrying point is the members who can't wait to lodge a 'bid' in their quest for a 'bargain', yet should know that the rules are not being adhered to. It's those members who are being protected



here here:thumbsup:



btw, Hi Rayman

GAVINLEWISHUKD;4636168

Ah see I didn't know that. Just thought he had had something removed. The … Ah see I didn't know that. Just thought he had had something removed. The only thing I can think of is as you said self promotion. It may because his site uses the same isp ID as his user so its automatically classed as self promotion? So in future we all know to use file upload sites instead of hour own servers.Maybe if he made it a hotdeals affiliate then it would be ok!:roll:



I can see exactly what you mean, just by being here, offering the support, it's kind of a way of saying "Order from us, our support is good, we are here to answer all the quesions you have"

Plus, it puts them in the eyeline of everyone on this forum, so is kind of free advertising..:thumbsup:




btw, Hi Rayman

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aScottishBloke;4636167

Nor would I expect the mods to trawl every post, so the member who … Nor would I expect the mods to trawl every post, so the member who reported the thread followed the correct course of action.A more worrying point is the members who can't wait to lodge a 'bid' in their quest for a 'bargain', yet should know that the rules are not being adhered to. It's those members who are being protected


i was talking abou the amazon case not blanketing....

in most cases yes maybe but the intial post needed clarification on if he had it or not which was unclear , but at the end of the day nobody offering to buy it was at risk as they were all asking for the code to be sent first before paying for it.........

guv;4636175

So from now on, anyone posting a link to their own websites should be … So from now on, anyone posting a link to their own websites should be banned? Likely to become a very lonely forum IMHO.



Do you ever put a link to your server on here? I've given selected people links via PM but never on the forum.

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casparwhite;4636185

i was talking abou the amazon case not blanketing....in most cases yes … i was talking abou the amazon case not blanketing....in most cases yes maybe but the intial post needed clarification on if he had it or not which was unclear , but at the end of the day nobody offering to buy it was at risk as they were all asking for the code to be sent first before paying for it.........



Mods will seek this clarification from the OP. Safer to lock in the meantime.

Just because you have the code prior to funds being sent does not prevent you from having a claim made against you if the code was fraudulently obtained. Absolutely no safety whatsoever. e.g. if I purchase a car from some stranger, turns out to be stolen or has some HP agreement still to run, then I'll end up with a total loss. A false sense of security I'm afraid. :thumbsup:

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aScottishBloke;4636194

Mods will seek this clarification from the OP. Safer to lock in the … Mods will seek this clarification from the OP. Safer to lock in the meantime. Just because you have the code prior to funds being sent does not prevent you from having a claim made against you if the code was fraudulently obtained. Absolutely no safety whatsoever. e.g. if I purchase a car from some stranger, turns out to be stolen or has some HP agreement still to run, then I'll end up with a total loss. A false sense of security I'm afraid. :thumbsup:



and how does having the code in his possesion have any bearing on the situation?

,which is why the thread was locked and suspenssion issued in the first place

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casparwhite;4636208

and how does having the code in his possesion have any bearing on the … and how does having the code in his possesion have any bearing on the situation?,which is why the thread was locked and suspenssion issued in the first place



I was responding to your point where you stated the buyer would not be at risk if they got the code prior to release of funds. That is wrong for the reasons I stated previously.:thumbsup:

guv;4636201

Hundreds of times. Most of the images I post are hosted - But links to … Hundreds of times. Most of the images I post are hosted - But links to info that helps is common place. I know with 100% certainty its known. When you see mods thanking for the info, I guess that tells you its fine!



Well hosting your own photos is not quite the same, but have not noticed your links before TBH. But the main reason I don't use mine has a lot of down time as is a cr*ppy old machine. I only use it for videos,photos and music for myself family and friends.

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aScottishBloke;4636213

I was responding to your point where you stated the buyer would not be at … I was responding to your point where you stated the buyer would not be at risk if they got the code prior to release of funds. That is wrong for the reasons I stated previously.:thumbsup:


fraud was never an issue in the first place?

still interested to know why you think suspending a member and locking the thread temporariliy will sol;ve the fraud issue tho?

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casparwhite;4636229

fraud was never an issue in the first place?still interested to know why … fraud was never an issue in the first place?still interested to know why you think suspending a member and locking the thread temporariliy will sol;ve the fraud issue tho?



Mods can lock threads and suspend a member, giving the OP the opportunity to respond privately by confirming that they have the item in their posession and that they agree to follow FS/FT rules.

Nothing will eliminate fraud entirely, all that is being asked is that sellers read the rules before posting and all traders appreciate the steps that need to be taken prior to completion of a sale. In this instance the OP didn't bother to read them or perhaps didn't understand. Either way, the post was lacking and should have been pulled.

It's not rocket science to understand the implications of a member buying items indirectly through a third party and trying to unravel the mess if it all goes wrong.

Again, the fraud element was only in response to your false assumption that no loss could occur as the buyer would obtain the code beforehand.

guv;4636236

To be honest, Cant see the difference. The domain name is there! No … To be honest, Cant see the difference. The domain name is there! No different to posting a URL to a file.....As long as its legal, I cant see the problem. Yes the guy hosted a forum - but would he be expected to host the innocent file on some dodgy server to avoid being accused? Christ, if the site he hosted was for profit, I could even forgive the view "but you could deduce the host site to view), but since it wasn't, why the hell is it a problem that deserves being banned for?How many times do you see people posting to "help" with creating websites? (ie for gain) How many times do you see "look at my portfolio links". Again, I ain't got a problem with that TBH, but if there is any intent for personal promotion, that look no further. Ive posted hundreds of help replies for people wanting assistance - Ive included links to sites Ive done (mostly to show speed of loading on a server I always recommend for hosting) - but I dont tout for work - and anything Ive ever done here has always been gratis. There are several here that can vouch for the fact I host their sites for free. Anyway - thats going at at a tangent. Fact is claims of "personal promotion" is clear for all to see and in this instance Im referring, he's completely innocent of doing so.



Well very true but I think to Joe Blogs hosting a pic and providing a link to your server is different.

As for the other bits there is alway discrepancies in things. It never helps when you can never find out the facts. Maybe if you were new and posted links you would get a warning. Who knows!
The only defence for the mods is I guess he had a warning saying don't post links to your site and then he did again but then again who knows!
Anyhow if all the rules were spot on for everybody sassie would have nothing to do!:)

Responding to Sassie's original point...

In defence of the mods - we don't know what went on. They've generally said in the past that members get warnings and infractions before they get suspended. Maybe they contacted the member by PM, got no response or a negative response so they decided to suspend.

Playing devils advocate here - if the mods did dare to treat noobs differently they'd probably be accused of inconsistency .......

gari189;4636973

if the mods did dare to treat noobs differently they'd probably be … if the mods did dare to treat noobs differently they'd probably be accused of inconsistency .......



I think its fair to say that there is a lack of consistency across the board regardless of whether the user is new or not.:)

casparwhite;4636157

yeah i suppose there is an air of ambiguility about the post and could of … yeah i suppose there is an air of ambiguility about the post and could of been cleared up easily but its not hard to spot who reported it tho coz i dont think the mods would of gone looking for itoh well tough tatties



I am guessing you mean me, well yes I did report the post, the reason was so that the Mods could double check the credibility of the sale. I wanted to prevent a potential HUKD member being scammed, how many times have members posted about things like this and we all say "you should have questioned the fact they are new.....etc. etc..." In this case the person was a brand new member with no history to call on and from the way the post was written it appears they had not read the forum rules.

I did not report it with the intention of them getting suspended or banned, that is for the Mods to investigate and decide on.

In the past 6 months or so I have just so happened to come across at least 5 brand new members selling amazon vouchers, each time for the protection of the members on here I reported the person to the Mods and it so happened on each occasion the person got banned.

I do think a suspension was perhaps a little harsh, that's my own personal opinion, I think it would have been sufficient to lock the thread and leave it for the person to contact Mods to clarify stuff, however, we don't know if perhaps there were not many Mods on and to prevent this person from making further for sale posts which may not have got picked up then perhaps they thought suspending the person would give them time to investigate when more staff were on?

I was just trying to help

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LaoTzu,

You did help - the seller has time out for reflection, so not a big deal :thumbsup:

aScottishBloke;4637842

LaoTzu,You did help - the seller has time out for reflection, so not a … LaoTzu,You did help - the seller has time out for reflection, so not a big deal :thumbsup:



Thanks, I felt like I was the one in the wrong for reporting the bloomin thing :-(

LaoTzu;4637861

Thanks, I felt like I was the one in the wrong for reporting the bloomin … Thanks, I felt like I was the one in the wrong for reporting the bloomin thing :-(



You are I tell you!!!! You are!!! lol....

:-D

Edit : Just joking before people start throwing the toys out of the pram :w00t:

StevenA2000_uk;4637917

You are I tell you!!!! You are!!! lol....:-DEdit : Just joking before … You are I tell you!!!! You are!!! lol....:-DEdit : Just joking before people start throwing the toys out of the pram :w00t:



boo hoo waa waa waa :cry:
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