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Just checked it out and someone did leave you negative reputation. I don't know why, as they didn't leave a reason. As far as I can see from a quick scan of your posts, there's nothing significant...

Original Poster

Can this be overturned, I don't feel like a bad person.....

Yes it can, but you'll need to contact Admin ]Here to explain as above...

Original Poster

Thanks rayman, have some reputation for your help

All nice and green now! ;-)

Original Poster

Thanks to you to gary_rip.

This is exactly the problem with 'reputation' or 'karma' or whatever else. It's so arbitrary and pointless. We now have some people ending their posts with 'please leave me reputation'.

1) Reputation begging isn't allowed. Please let a mod know if you spot this.
2) Negative karma should only ever be given to someone who is very spammy on the forums in a bad way. Use some common sense. Most users do, and that'#s why the reputation system works so well.

I have to ask, what does 'works so well' actually mean? It doesn't actually do anything apart from allow those who post the most to affect other posts the most. That seems slightly odd to me.

There is an interesting correlation to a thread around here somewhere on tipping. It seems like everyone who posts any old deal gets rep, people who make a joke get rep, people who just ask for it get rep and people who are just friends with other forum members get rep.
Tie that in to people getting asked to explain why they voted cold but yet nobody gets asked to explain why they voted warm or hot and I think our definitions of 'works so well' are pretty different to be honest.

I'd have to disagree Artemis. The reason why I have brought in reputations is so that we can do give extra priveleges to users who are able to spot good deals and who have a good eye for it. Also on a forum like this we are very susceptible to spam so we need a system to keep things open while still keeping out spam. If you are familiar with anything from /. to digg I think you will find this to be the case on most "open" sites that are trying to find quality posts.

As for asking why about negative I want to know why because I want to know where the better deal is. If someone hits hot it's because the best deal is right there so there's nothing to explain.

Reputation is also a very sociable thing, something like buying someone a drink down the pub for helping you out. I guess it sort of makes it a tip in some cases, but that's not a bad thing, it's just a way of showing appreciation.

Voting on deals joins with that, although I admit it is hard sometimes to either not vote for a deal, or vote warm because it's not good enough. To vote a deal cold, I would need a very good reason and the same goes for negative reputation.

As Admin mentions, spammers don't have a big influence here and that's because members with higher reputations than them, can force their spam into oblivion...

On another subject Rayman my "bad post report" icon has disappeared..is there any reason for this....I have used it once when I took offence at a member's insults.
Thanks

I'm sorry but on every forum I've ever been on things like 'top poster' counts, karma/rep/whatever 'encourages' spam from the members a lot more than the random spammers.

It also encourages cliqueishness and sycophancy, both of which I can't stand.

currychops

On another subject Rayman my "bad post report" icon has disappeared..is … On another subject Rayman my "bad post report" icon has disappeared..is there any reason for this....I have used it once when I took offence at a member's insults.Thanks

I have no idea why you can't see that and I don't think it's like a bee's sting But it could be a bug :roll:

It's the chatty style of the board that makes it so popular. We're all friends here.

Artemis

I'm sorry but on every forum I've ever been on things like 'top poster' … I'm sorry but on every forum I've ever been on things like 'top poster' counts, karma/rep/whatever 'encourages' spam from the members a lot more than the random spammers.It also encourages cliqueishness and sycophancy, both of which I can't stand.

Could you point out the spam it's encouraging here? We have quite a few random spammers, there's a very long list in the CP, but I don't see members deals as spam and that's because of deal voting [amongst other things].

Artemis - HUKD is a lot different than a normal forum. The reputation here is not just for some person's pride it is so we can put in place systems that dynamically determine whether a poster can be trusted or not. Yes this can be a prideful thing but ultimately on HUKD we need it so we can keep the boards clean of nonsense. Most forums aren't a big magnet to spammers trying to post "deals".

rayman

Could you point out the spam it's encouraging here? We have quite a few … Could you point out the spam it's encouraging here? We have quite a few random spammers, there's a very long list in the CP, but I don't see members deals as spam and that's because of deal voting [amongst other things].



You don't need me to point it out, my point was that we have different ideas of what spam is. You're talking about random people trying to flog/advertise their own stuff. I'm talking about people starting new threads by just searching find-dvd.co.uk and posting the cheapest one or tescos and asdas buy one get one frees etc. The vast majority of those aren't particularly 'hot' deals in my opinion. I've mentioned before I also take a small bit of offense to the dvd ones which are just ripping off another sites search engine.

Admin

Artemis - HUKD is a lot different than a normal forum. The reputation … Artemis - HUKD is a lot different than a normal forum. The reputation here is not just for some person's pride it is so we can put in place systems that dynamically determine whether a poster can be trusted or not. Yes this can be a prideful thing but ultimately on HUKD we need it so we can keep the boards clean of nonsense. Most forums aren't a big magnet to spammers trying to post "deals".



I understand what it's for, it just doesn't seem to work in any quantifiable and equal way. The moderators have the majority of power over whether a deal is hot or not.

I don't particularly understand how just because someone posts a lot of deals that they are somehow more qualified to gauge whether or not somebody elses deal is hot or how their opinion on a post carries more weight than anyone elses. Or even worse someone lucks out and posts a single deal that a lot of people like, all the mods rep them and they suddenly get hundreds of rep for one post and now have more power over other posts.

Like I said it simply encourages cliquishness and sycophancy. People suck up to those with massive rep because if they give you rep you get loads of it in one go.

The 'need it' argument is pretty slim, as moderators have the majority of power under almost any other system too.

Artemis you can't have just what you want, it is what the whole community wants. Instead of griping in here go out and use the system in the way it's meant. If you don't like cheese singles go to the thread, click cold, and then post that you think it's silly to keep making posts on ASDA because we all know the bargain and can figure out different products. Or even better be constructive and make a post like Silverwolf who listed about 10 of the best multibuys, now that's useful.

Personally I don't see people sucking up to people with massive rep just to get more rep. People who post hot deals will get more rep and they deserve it because it indicates that they have a good eye for deals and what makes a good deal and this means they are better qualified to judge whether another deal is good or bad. Posting loads of deals from find-dvd will doubtfully give a person a high reputation because the deals won't get voted that hot. The volume in itself will not give you a high reputation.

Like everything nothing is perfect but I think it's a pretty good system for a site like ours where reputation is actually quite important.

so artemis, what is your plan to make it better ??

Admin

Artemis you can't have just what you want, it is what the whole community … Artemis you can't have just what you want, it is what the whole community wants. Instead of griping in here go out and use the system in the way it's meant. If you don't like cheese singles go to the thread, click cold, and then post that you think it's silly to keep making posts on ASDA because we all know the bargain and can figure out different products. Or even better be constructive and make a post like Silverwolf who listed about 10 of the best multibuys, now that's useful.



I did, I might even have been the first to repeatedly mention that the deal had sod all to do with pepsi and was the voucher itself. What I didn't do was start a new thread for every item Asda had on offer.

And my point, that you seem to have ignored in this part yet addressed below, is that it makes no difference if I vote something cold because all it takes is one mod to vote hot and it zooms up in temp. The exact same thing happens with rep, i vote that a post was a waste of time and it counts for 1, a mod votes that they like it and it counts for maybe 30?

I also don't appreciate being accused of 'griping'. If you just want people to cheerlead for you then don't have a 'comments and suggestions' part of the forum. I assumed that was what this was for?

Admin

Personally I don't see people sucking up to people with massive rep just … Personally I don't see people sucking up to people with massive rep just to get more rep. People who post hot deals will get more rep and they deserve it because it indicates that they have a good eye for deals and what makes a good deal and this means they are better qualified to judge whether another deal is good or bad. Posting loads of deals from find-dvd will doubtfully give a person a high reputation because the deals won't get voted that hot. The volume in itself will not give you a high reputation.



I'm sorry but that's just not true. There are numerous find-dvd rip offs posted every day and they all register at some level of 'hot'. They regularly get positive replies from mods so I can assume that the poster got half a million rep.
The distinction between hot deals and any old deal has slowly become worse. Quality is better than quantity imo.

Admin

Like everything nothing is perfect but I think it's a pretty good system … Like everything nothing is perfect but I think it's a pretty good system for a site like ours where reputation is actually quite important.



You keep saying it's important but you don't seem to ever say 'why'? What is the downside of having an equal ratings system where everyones vote counts the same?

To be honest it just seems like a way of making the site look better while not actually being better.

Artemis not all members who post hot deals get rep from others...

I for one got rep only for posts that have been really useful to others (i.e. they ordered or they wanted an opinion and I gave them a good advice)

Yes, the deals always are rated hot on the scale but the rep is only given when they order it and find it a good deal or they receive a good advice

I agree with what some of Artemis is saying.
X10

I see Artemis has a 'red block' now. :x

I think he had two green blocks before posting on this topic. This is out of order, imo:x
I think you should have to put a reason why you don't approve of a post or it will not count, same as voting cold, no reason, then your vote won't count.

Agree with dinosteveus. I would like to see explanation when someone is giving negative reputation to other members. Is it possible to make such requirement compulsory?
And it would be also useful to force people who click on "cold" button to explain why they think it is cold deal. And if no clear explanation is given (not just "rubbish deal" or "I don't like your nickname" or "I disagree with your comments in other thread") then it should be removed by mods.

I also don't think it was great for people to neg rep him for leaving his true and honest opinion.

But they did leave explanations that he can read in his user CP.

Comments are not compulsory, so it is possible for users simply to click on "I disapprove" withour stating reason, AFAIK.

Kommunist

Comments are not compulsory, so it is possible for users simply to click … Comments are not compulsory, so it is possible for users simply to click on "I disapprove" withour stating reason, AFAIK.



I agree, I think it leaves 'repping' open to abuse. :-(

Also I would like to be able to turn my 'blocks' off, so only me and the MODS know how many 'block' things I have. Is that possible? :thinking:

dinosteveus

I agree, I think it leaves 'repping' open to abuse. :-( Also I would like … I agree, I think it leaves 'repping' open to abuse. :-( Also I would like to be able to turn my 'blocks' off, so only me and the MODS know how many 'block' things I have. Is that possible? :thinking:



Don't temp fate dinosteveus ..we could easily turn those greens into reds!!! LOL

dinosteveus

I agree, I think it leaves 'repping' open to abuse. :-( Also I would like … I agree, I think it leaves 'repping' open to abuse. :-( Also I would like to be able to turn my 'blocks' off, so only me and the MODS know how many 'block' things I have. Is that possible? :thinking:



But why would you want to do that - the whole idea is so that when you post something we know how crediable you are. Turing it off doesnt help anyone!

currychops

Don't temp fate dinosteveus ..we could easily turn those greens into … Don't temp fate dinosteveus ..we could easily turn those greens into reds!!! LOL



LMAO! - That will learn ya! (joking!!)

Les try make this thread a bit more light hearted!

I see he has now turned green again! :-D

guess who helped him? :giggle:

Gary,
Regulars will know how 'credible' my/your deals/posts are. :giggle:

gary_rip

I see he has now turned green again! :-D


Two blocks now

dinosteveus

Two blocks now



Considering how negative he has been in the forums today i can only see its out of pity!

dinosteveus

Gary,Regulars will know how 'credible' my/your deals/posts are. :giggle:



True! but as you know this place is growing all the time! So we are nearly 100 new people a day at the mo (i think).

gary_rip

True! but as you know this place is growing all the time! So we are … True! but as you know this place is growing all the time! So we are nearly 100 new people a day at the mo (i think).



Good point :thumbsup:

Welcome back Steve,nice to see you posting again.:)
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