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its proper bull, which mod name and shame i say

thought the "price comparison" rule only applied to deals posted-dont understand how you cant compare a preowned price with another preowned price?

makes no sense to me-so if I post a second hand ipod scratched to bits I can ask full rrp because nobody is allowed to question that and only compare it to amazon prices?

Original Poster

wickedteen;6223196

its proper bull, which mod name and shame i say



well personally i do feel like im being treated unfairly by this certain mod and i think the rule is a complete joke,

but what can i do,im just a person trying to use the site to sell and buy at fair prices,
i would put a complaint in agaisnt them but there only gonna be one winner aint there and it wont be me.

same as when u get banned for something and they dont read the full thread and make over the top assumptions, but htye invincible mods

I look forward to all the infractions being issued for all the cex comparisons now.

Original Poster

barky;6223208

thought the "price comparison" rule only applied to deals posted-dont … thought the "price comparison" rule only applied to deals posted-dont understand how you cant compare a preowned price with another preowned price?makes no sense to me-so if I post a second hand ipod scratched to bits I can ask full rrp because nobody is allowed to question that and only compare it to amazon prices?



basically yeah,so u got an ipod and they £200 in shops u can ask 190 and nobody can say its overpriced,even if they sell them 2nd hand in argos for £40.


the thing is if i can get a game in the preowned sale at all game stores,why the hell would i pay more on here lol.

Seems a bit daft for you to be infracted for that. I didnt see anything wrong with it at all.......

Banned

thats a mod error if ever i have seen one that or the rule is pathetic

ants97;6223260

I look forward to all the infractions being issued for all the cex … I look forward to all the infractions being issued for all the cex comparisons now.



+1 I also look forward to those mentioning phone exchange sites that offer "cash" for your mobile to be infracted for comparing it on price

Banned

StevenA2000_uk;6223297

+1 I also look forward to those mentioning phone exchange sites that … +1 I also look forward to those mentioning phone exchange sites that offer "cash" for your mobile to be infracted for comparing it on price



+2 on this as well

ants97;6223260

I look forward to all the infractions being issued for all the cex … I look forward to all the infractions being issued for all the cex comparisons now.



excellent point!

Original Poster

so u think i should put a complaint in about the mod?

Banned

ramiuk1;6223337

so u think i should put a complaint in about the mod?



not a complaint about the mod but more the decision unless you think the mod is targeting you of course

complete madness IMO

if you have just recieved an infraction...how come u can post...or was it a previous infraction

also bit harsh on the comparison thing.....3 words spring to mind NAME AND SHAME

ramiuk1;6223337

so u think i should put a complaint in about the mod?



1. there would be no point.....

2. What should happen now is for either the mod in question or another mod, to touch base with reality and correct the bad error in judgement they made, remove the infraction and move on.....

I can't really see the problem here, the person was making a reasonable offer and not just making trouble in the thread - I think that's far better form than the constant lowballing that is allowed.

John

Original Poster

my infraction has just been lifted at 6pm today.

steven i really doubt u would ever get an oppology on this site from mods, a few i wont mention names are killing was was a great site by handing out pathetic infractions,

Banned

ramiuk1,

Thanks for pointing me towards this thread. There were many posts by you in the thread you refer to, however not all are visible. You should be fully aware of the rules prior to posting - you've been referred to them often enough, rather than complaining afterwards.

Your tactics were very aggressive in trying to secure a lower price. Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels of pre-owned games are variable by nature and subject to differences nationwide. Whilst you may have been able to secure a deal elsewhere at just above your offer, this may not have been available to all.

Your infraction remains as a permanent record.



(15) The ONLY exception to this is if you see the EXACT item priced … (15) The ONLY exception to this is if you see the EXACT item priced higher than available new elsewhere. In this case a third-party can make a post but ONLY in the following format: LINK TO MERCHANT - PRICE. No comments, just the facts. This must be the final price after VAT/shipping for a new product and from a reputable merchant. Price comparison to auction sites, classifieds or other personal sales are NOT allowed. Members who DO NOT follow these posting rules face a ban from the FS/FT forum.

aScottishBloke;6223828

ramiuk1,Thanks for pointing me towards this thread. There were many posts … ramiuk1,Thanks for pointing me towards this thread. There were many posts by you in the thread you refer to, however not all are visible. You should be fully aware of the rules prior to posting - you've been referred to them often enough, rather than complaining afterwards.Your tactics were very aggressive in trying to secure a lower price. Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels of pre-owned games are variable by nature and subject to differences nationwide. Whilst you may have been able to secure a deal elsewhere at just above your offer, this may not have been available to all.Your infraction remains as a permanent record.



so that DOES mean infractions will be issued for anyone comparing prices with cex, pre owned stock in game, gamestation hmw etc.

Original Poster

i dont understand that aggressive part,purely backing up my claim to it being cheaper elsewhere and defending myself from people jumping onm the thread just to argue.
i was activly seeking a deal

why the hell would i offer more than i can get it for somewhere else,surely even u wouldnt do that would you?

pure bull most of these rules,wonder how i can become a mod and maybe change this place so people arnt worried about speaking.

oh well my card is marked as i have noticed for a while here ,shame really.
looks like another good site going down the pan and its always the same thing thats kills sites


just last thing,u say i should be aware of the rules rather than moan afterwards.

i dont think it says anywhere if u see it for sale somewhere cheaper u are not allowed to offer a price based on this????????

back to my point NOBODY IS GOING TO BUY ANYTHING ( NO MATTER WHAT IT IS) FOR MORE THAN THEY CAN BUY IT ELSEWHERE
if u seen a ford focus for £10k preowned,u aint gonna go and pay £15k somewhere else if its exactly the same
so how can i have done anything wrong??????????????????????



this my last comment here,pointless as the mods never even gonna care and look at it form the real worlds point of view,

i know prob all the site would be behind me in the fact i didnt deserve the infraction but whats the members matter.

take care fellow members


"(15) The ONLY exception to this is if you see the EXACT item priced higher than available new elsewhere. In this case a third-party can make a post but ONLY in the following format: LINK TO MERCHANT - PRICE. No comments, just the facts. This must be the final price after VAT/shipping for a new product and from a reputable merchant. Price comparison to auction sites, classifieds or other personal sales are NOT allowed. Members who DO NOT follow these posting rules face a ban from the FS/FT forum. "



really needs reviewing that rule as almost everything sold here is preowned and i refered to game/gamestation which is reputable,but even though the preowned price onlin was STILL bleow the acking price in hte thread,they have a sale on instore

Banned

Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels of pre-owned games are variable by nature and subject to differences nationwide

i will report anyone that mentions cex and any alike site or shop

aScottishBloke;6223828

ramiuk1,Thanks for pointing me towards this thread. There were many posts … ramiuk1,Thanks for pointing me towards this thread. There were many posts by you in the thread you refer to, however not all are visible. You should be fully aware of the rules prior to posting - you've been referred to them often enough, rather than complaining afterwards.Your tactics were very aggressive in trying to secure a lower price. Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels of pre-owned games are variable by nature and subject to differences nationwide. Whilst you may have been able to secure a deal elsewhere at just above your offer, this may not have been available to all.Your infraction remains as a permanent record.


There are plenty more threads worth infraction and more aggressive, but nothing done!

fragaliciousbob;6223979

Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels … Please don't compare prices which are difficult to verify. Stock levels of pre-owned games are variable by nature and subject to differences nationwidei will report anyone that mentions cex and any alike site or shop



I also assume that a potential buyers offers, say £80 for Nokia 5800 and the seller replies with "I can get £x for it at {insert name of any mobile phone purchasing site here}" then the seller will also be infracted?

Seems to me like from this point forward the precedent has been set by the mods decision on this one.

This is an old rule and is basically there to stop people thread spoiling by saying I can get it for £xx from ebay, a car boot sale etc. Sellers were complaining their threads were being ruined by silly comments hence the rule about the links. CEX has been discussed before and I think that as long as you can post a link to the game at the price you mention this is allowed.

We all have disagreements with the mods at some point, its just something you have to learn to accept ...........

Original Poster

i was activly seeking to make a fair deal with a seller,i wasnt thread spoiling,i cant link to instore prices,but just because i cant link to a instore saleprice doesnt mean i should be banned for it.

doesnt matter what you put about being able to get it cheaper elsewhere - cos surely if the person doesnt want to sell it to you at the price you are stating then that is their perogative - so i feel the mod must take back the infraction and seriously consider his/hers motives for it - if it was done with malice then they should give up their right as a mod because this is not the sort of thing that should be allowed to occur (mods being vindictive)

Banned

sn0ttyang3l;6224663

doesnt matter what you put about being able to get it cheaper elsewhere - … doesnt matter what you put about being able to get it cheaper elsewhere - cos surely if the person doesnt want to sell it to you at the price you are stating then that is their perogative - so i feel the mod must take back the infraction and seriously consider his/hers motives for it - if it was done with malice then they should give up their right as a mod because this is not the sort of thing that should be allowed to occur (mods being vindictive)



It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.

I'm not vindictive, nor do I know of any mod with that characteristic. The OP should not attempt to distort the facts and give a false impression. They know how many infractions I have issued against this member as a percentage of all infractions received to date.

cough P45 cough

aScottishBloke;6224785

It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I … It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I know of any mod with that characteristic. The OP should not attempt to distort the facts and give a false impression. They know how many infractions I have issued against this member as a percentage of all infractions received to date.


i didnt say you WERE vindictive - i said you should look at your reasons for doing this and IF it was vindictive - it is also irrelevant how many you have given the person in relation to others they have received - surely if a person FEELS they are being 'bullied' then maybe it would be better for a different mod to deal with them from now on

aScottishBloke;6224785

It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I … It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I know of any mod with that characteristic. The OP should not attempt to distort the facts and give a false impression. They know how many infractions I have issued against this member as a percentage of all infractions received to date.



It seems odd that what you're saying is lowballing is acceptable as long as no price comparison is made? The buyer's offer in this case was a lot more reasonable than some of the persistent lowballing that goes on daily with no infractions or at least none visible.

John

Its another example of the mods getting a kick out of enforcing dumb rules.

There is way too many rules on this site. Btw who wrote all these ****ing rules man.

Other fourms I am on have no rules maybe one or two but not many as they are on here and these fourms function in a excellent way with out any problems.

But otherwise this site is great, great deal and some great people (well some).

aScottishBloke;6224785

It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.[COLOR="Red"]I'm not … It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.[COLOR="Red"]I'm not vindictive, nor do I know of any mod with that characteristic.[/COLOR] The OP should not attempt to distort the facts and give a false impression. They know how many infractions I have issued against this member as a percentage of all infractions received to date.



Simply not true and you know it. But then you'll never change..

DudeyGeeza;6225352

Simply not true and you know it. But then you'll never change..



+1 :thumbsup:

aScottishBloke;6224785

It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I … It does matter, hence why I quoted the rule.I'm not vindictive, nor do I know of any mod with that characteristic. The OP should not attempt to distort the facts and give a false impression. They know how many infractions I have issued against this member as a percentage of all infractions received to date.



to be honest your doing yourself no favours here, rather than get involved in a petty slanging match you could answer some of the many valid points that have been made in this thread that seemingly have risen regarding this latest infraction.

more rules= harder to enforce all

The modding is always being complained about in FS/FT and frankly the mods can't win. Sellers complain when their threads are locked, buyers complain when they get scammed etc but it was still the same before SB modded it. There were exactly the same complaints when Col (and others) used to do it.

Unfortunately this thread is turning into an attack on SB when infact it needs to concentrate on explaining why members think the rule needs to be changed (if thats what members want) and thats what the OP was initially seeking clarification of.

Might be worth bearing in mind that no-one on here has a right to use FS/FT - HDUK are doing it as a favour, they make no money out of it and it causes big headaches for admin and the mods.........

Banned

gari189;6226708

The modding is always being complained about in FS/FT and frankly the … The modding is always being complained about in FS/FT and frankly the mods can't win. Sellers complain when their threads are locked, buyers complain when they get scammed etc but it was still the same before SB modded it. There were exactly the same complaints when Col (and others) used to do it.Unfortunately this thread is turning into an attack on SB when infact it needs to concentrate on explaining why members think the rule needs to be changed (if thats what members want) and thats what the OP was initially seeking clarification of.Might be worth bearing in mind that no-one on here has a right to use FS/FT - HDUK are doing it as a favour, they make no money out of it and it causes big headaches for admin and the mods.........



i understand what your saying here and yeah its a good service they provide for no money but as someone that has no sales or no purchases on here you cant fully understand how seamingly petty some of the infractions are for what appears to be minor things

fragaliciousbob;6226778

i understand what your saying here and yeah its a good service they … i understand what your saying here and yeah its a good service they provide for no money but as someone that has no sales or no purchases on here you cant fully understand how seamingly petty some of the infractions are for what appears to be minor things


here here..

Surely if the buyer is making an offer then they are not a third-party?

(14) [COLOR=DarkRed]Please ONLY post in a thread if you are interested in … (14) [COLOR=DarkRed]Please ONLY post in a thread if you are interested in engaging in the sale/trade listed[/COLOR]...(15) The ONLY exception to this is if you see the EXACT item priced higher than available new elsewhere. [COLOR=DarkRed]In this case a third-party [/COLOR]can make a post but ONLY in the following format: LINK TO MERCHANT - PRICE. No comments, just the facts. This must be the final price after VAT/shipping for a new product and from a reputable merchant. Price comparison to auction sites, classifieds or other personal sales are NOT allowed. Members who DO NOT follow these posting rules face a ban from the FS/FT forum.



They read pretty clearly to me that rule 14 applies to those not making an offer (except the low-ball clause, which would be much better as a separate rule anyway). Rule 15 clearly follows rule 14 and says third-parties may only post a link to merchant - but the way its written that rule has no relevance to an involved party, only to a third-party.
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