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Supermod

Merchants are not allowed to self-promote at all on site. I say this because that merchant you flag has not shared this offer.

Sometimes merchants will have offers which are not yet featured on HUKD or are due to go live pretty soon so in these circumstances we'll get merchants communicating these across. If something is considered to be a great offer, it will get posted. If something isn't so good, it won't be posted. If merchants want to provide a "heads up", surely thats as much benefit as a live deal?

Whoever is reviewing the content would deploy their deal knowledge and determine whether they think it is worth sharing with the community. As you'll see from some of the reviewers track records, they get it right pretty much most of the time.

As the community has grown, the moderation team have gone from actively deal hunting to vetting some offers (in amongst completing their other duties). So I think its important to note that they've still applied their knowledge before they share it up on site.

If you've any further concerns, you'll need to take it up with the Admin Team on this link.
Edited by: "magicjay1986" 31st Dec 2015

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magicjay1986

Merchants are not allowed to self-promote at all on site. I say this … Merchants are not allowed to self-promote at all on site. I say this because that merchant you flag has not shared this offer. Sometimes merchants will have offers which are not yet featured on HUKD or are due to go live pretty soon so in these circumstances we'll get merchants communicating these across. If something is considered to be a great offer, it will get posted. If something isn't so good, it won't be posted. If merchants want to provide a "heads up", surely thats as much benefit as a live deal? Whoever is reviewing the content would deploy their deal knowledge and determine whether they think it is worth sharing with the community. As you'll see from some of the reviewers track records, they get it right pretty much most of the time. As the community has grown, the moderation team have gone from actively deal hunting to vetting some offers (in amongst completing their other duties). So I think its important to note that they've still applied their knowledge before they share it up on site. If you've any further concerns, you'll need to take it up with the Admin Team on this link.



Sorry but that is a form of self promotion. You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous.

Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them.

If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers.

You need to choose one or the other, the whole grey area you are pretending is there does not exist, it is still self promotion, it is actually worse as it is mod sanctioned self promotion.


Edited by: "Reser" 31st Dec 2015

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Reser

Sorry but that is a form of self promotion. You cannot say no self … Sorry but that is a form of self promotion. You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous.Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them.If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers.You need to choose one or the other, the whole grey area you are pretending is there does not exist, it is still self promotion, it is actually worse as it is mod sanctioned self promotion.



Couldn't of said it better myself

Supermod

Reser

Sorry but that is a form of self promotion. You cannot say no self … Sorry but that is a form of self promotion. You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous.Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them.If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers.You need to choose one or the other, the whole grey area you are pretending is there does not exist, it is still self promotion, it is actually worse as it is mod sanctioned self promotion.



I've already covered most of what you've replied but i'll do it individually...

"You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous."

We don't (and won't) post everything. Something not good enough won't be posted.

"Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them."

Communicating offers is open to all merchants on our merchant list and not just those on an active affiliate program.

"If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers."

This goes against the reason why for now we allow merchants to communicate their offers for vetting. If we didn't and allowed merchants to post, you'd get all the offers which wouldn't make the cut.

Editor

I too once cared about issues like this (ask any Mod they will tell you) but I suppose the top and bottom of it all is that it doesnt really matter as long as it gets onto the website, visable to HUKD members.

It wasn't a direct Shopto post, it was evidently presented and accepted as it was.

HUKD is working as intended

magicjay1986

I've already covered most of what you've replied but i'll do it … I've already covered most of what you've replied but i'll do it individually... "You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous."We don't (and won't) post everything. Something not good enough won't be posted. "Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them."Communicating offers is open to all merchants on our merchant list and not just those on an active affiliate program. "If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers."This goes against the reason why for now we allow merchants to communicate their offers for vetting. If we didn't and allowed merchants to post, you'd get all the offers which wouldn't make the cut.



Actually this is HotUKDeals, and not send in your deals for us, The MODs to decide which is going to be HOT Deal

this site has been based on Cosumers, US, finding deals to share with others, not the other way round

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oye81

Actually this is HotUKDeals, and not send in your deals for us, The MODs … Actually this is HotUKDeals, and not send in your deals for us, The MODs to decide which is going to be HOT Deal



Yep, MODs should post all the deals they receive from retailers or non at all and let the members decide what is hot or not

bumbaclart

Yep, MODs should post all the deals they receive from retailers or non at … Yep, MODs should post all the deals they receive from retailers or non at all and let the members decide what is hot or not




100% with there pal

Let the Comuniity decide which is Hot, thats extactly what this site is all about

Supermod

oye81

this site has been based on Cosumers, US, finding deals to share with … this site has been based on Cosumers, US, finding deals to share with others, not the other way round



So if a fantastic deal hasn't been found by the community, that is just "tough luck" that the deal is missed and no one can benefit?

magicjay1986

I've already covered most of what you've replied but i'll do it … I've already covered most of what you've replied but i'll do it individually... "You cannot say no self promotion but you can send us the deal and we will promote it for you. That is just ridiculous."We don't (and won't) post everything. Something not good enough won't be posted. "Sounds like the whole no self promotion rule is to get merchants to pay you to promote it for them."Communicating offers is open to all merchants on our merchant list and not just those on an active affiliate program. "If you are fine with listing prices early that merchants have provided themselves, then you should be fine with letting merchants list their own offers."This goes against the reason why for now we allow merchants to communicate their offers for vetting. If we didn't and allowed merchants to post, you'd get all the offers which wouldn't make the cut.



i always wondered how this site is able to keep up with the running cost, with hundreds of new user join each day, they are getting heads up and fat %% from the retailers directly

Supermod

oye81

i always wondered how this site is able to keep up with the running cost, … i always wondered how this site is able to keep up with the running cost, with hundreds of new user join each day, they are getting heads up and fat %% from the retailers directly



HUKD does not get a "fat % % from retailers direct". It is clear how HUKD is funded and that is not a secret.

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magicjay1986

So if a fantastic deal hasn't been found by the community, that is just … So if a fantastic deal hasn't been found by the community, that is just "tough luck" that the deal is missed and no one can benefit?



This is a straw man argument (_;)

Supermod

bumbaclart

This is a straw man argument (_;)



Why is it? To my knowledge, i've not misrepresented anything here.

Supermod

bumbaclart

Here's another post … Here's another post lolhttp://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/playstation-4-ps4-white-black-279-99-argos-from-1st-3rd-jan-2015-more-items-op-2104861



You've had your response - if you wish to further it, take it up with the Admin Team. No more posts on the subject within the deals section as it will be classed as thread spoiling. Thanks.

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magicjay1986

You've had your response - if you wish to further it, take it up with the … You've had your response - if you wish to further it, take it up with the Admin Team. No more posts on the subject within the deals section as it will be classed as thread spoiling. Thanks.



How is it thread spoiling for asking for proof of the validity of the deal? Any other members would have had there post spammed with no proof

I like how mods keep deleting my posts asking for the source? Almost as if to hide it in the deal post from other members, seeing as hardly anyone looks in the feedback thread. lol


Edited by: "bumbaclart" 31st Dec 2015

magicjay1986

So if a fantastic deal hasn't been found by the community, that is just … So if a fantastic deal hasn't been found by the community, that is just "tough luck" that the deal is missed and no one can benefit?



So allow the retailers to send in deals directly is the answer, so this is in essence allowing Self Promation

magicjay1986

HUKD does not get a "fat % % from retailers direct". It is clear how HUKD … HUKD does not get a "fat % % from retailers direct". It is clear how HUKD is funded and that is not a secret.



Did you even read the link you posted! X)

"The basis of the site is that it is for honest tips from other people who don't stand to gain", "As members submit and vote on deals we believe this keeps the site unbiased"

Op if the mods getting all heat is an issue for you just contact the marketing teams from selected retailers yourself and post them.

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GAVINLEWISHUKD

Did you even read the link you posted! X)"The basis of the site is that … Did you even read the link you posted! X)"The basis of the site is that it is for honest tips from other people who don't stand to gain", "As members submit and vote on deals we believe this keeps the site unbiased"Op if the mods getting all heat is an issue for you just contact the marketing teams from selected retailers yourself and post them.



HAHA amazing! Guess the mods can change the rules to suit them / HUKD

Supermod

GAVINLEWISHUKD

Did you even read the link you posted! X)"The basis of the site is that … Did you even read the link you posted! X)"The basis of the site is that it is for honest tips from other people who don't stand to gain", "As members submit and vote on deals we believe this keeps the site unbiased"Op if the mods getting all heat is an issue for you just contact the marketing teams from selected retailers yourself and post them.



It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to gain in any way for posting the offer. As i've said above, if they think the offers isn't very good, it isn't posted. If they make a call and its wrong, members will vote it down. Take a look at the activity of the moderators posting these deals...its very rare they get it wrong.

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magicjay1986

It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to … It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to gain in any way for posting the offer. As i've said above, if they think the offers isn't very good, it isn't posted. If they make a call and its wrong, members will vote it down. Take a look at the activity of the moderators posting these deals...its very rare they get it wrong.



Lol its not exactly rocket science to think a ps4 at £279.99 and an xbox one for £279.95 is a hot deal.

You may say mods have nothing to gain, yet HUKD quite obv do from retailers. Either allow self promotion or dont allow MODs promoting products from select retailers.

Also why are my post being deleted from the deal threads? I would like to know where the source of the info is from before i vote hot or cold. The poster, albeit a mod has provided no proof hence I would like proff before voting hot or cold.

Thanks

Edited by: "bumbaclart" 31st Dec 2015

magicjay1986

It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to … It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to gain in any way for posting the offer. As i've said above, if they think the offers isn't very good, it isn't posted. If they make a call and its wrong, members will vote it down. Take a look at the activity of the moderators posting these deals...its very rare they get it wrong.



Well we all know you work benifit free.


If you vote cold on a mods deal you end up with a PM in you inbox!

Its just a big can of worms and if it was done from normal members out would come the ban hammer.

Buts thats just how it is. If the OP doesnt like it they can just ship out.

magicjay1986

It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to … It was in response to the funding question. Moderators don't stand to gain in any way for posting the offer. As i've said above, if they think the offers isn't very good, it isn't posted. If they make a call and its wrong, members will vote it down. Take a look at the activity of the moderators posting these deals...its very rare they get it wrong.



ok tell us of a deal that was passed on to you but you decided against it becuase you beleived it was not going to be hot?

>So seeing as HUKD seem to have double standards, shouldn't the site either ban all self promotion or allow it?

HUKD is a business really, they can bypass their own rules as they'll profit from it or gain an increase. I'm curious if HUKD and its related sites are part of a registered business and if the profit is even being declared (assuming owner is from the UK)

HUKD sister sites have a WHOIS address in Seychelles, *hint* tax haven

Edited by: "kiish" 31st Dec 2015

Editor

bumbaclart

But the pm is a generic HUKD MOD code of conduct pm



I wouldn't know, Its been a while.

bumbaclart

it was not composed by any individual.



I'm sure it was at some point

All jokes aside mate, Just let it go, It's not going to get you anywhere, apart from suspension maybe, at the end of the day your views are more than valid, I mentioned previously that I too used to let these things get to me, looking back now I am not completely sure why, we look at HUKD like a money saving website, and to us it is, but we have to remember its also a business that is also run for financial gain from deals posted.

Don't let the ins and outs get to you, it was a deal posted on a deals website, don't dwell too much on where the information came from, it's now information available to at least 30,000+ members.

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Note: Private Messages or PM's are 'Private' and should not be posted in … Note: Private Messages or PM's are 'Private' and should not be posted in the forum without the sender's consent.


hotukdeals.com/fee…673

In relation to the discussion (above) about the "sister sistes" (the Blog Network)...

Just out of interest:
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/****.com ]
"**** Deals & Discounts (Suspended - Do Not Post)"

^ Suspended for self-promotion: [ hotukdeals.com/fee…035 ]

However, Dealspwn.com is still actively promoting this merchant.

For example, two days ago:
[ dealspwn.com/sto…462 ]

bumbaclart

Yep, MODs should post all the deals they receive from retailers or non at … Yep, MODs should post all the deals they receive from retailers or non at all and let the members decide what is hot or not



100%

HUKD will do what HUKD wants so it's pointless questioning, arguing or trying to debate issues pertaining to how this site is run and managed. My best advice (which I constantly ignore) would be to use HUKD for your benefit - Skim the deals and Freebies for anything you might find useful, have a bit of banter in Misc and try and ignore the sites inconsistent approach to rule application and deal management.

As Buzz said (and happened) .. if you persist you will be suspended .... you cannot win an argument against someone that has the ability to veto your comments or remove you from the site.

In other words .... Put up, shut up or give up
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