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Immediately visible guidelines on using this forum are seriously lacking here. It took me several weeks to work out how to vote for a deal and to realise that I could give reputation to helpful posters, good tips etc!

... and I agree that there are members voting incorrectly on deals. IMO, the great deals which only appeal to a minority of members should be voted hot by those members who are interested and people who are not interested in the deal should not bother to vote at all.

Yes, we can monitor votes and people who serially cold vote are dealt with accordingly.

And have you noticed the first cold one is normally around a -9 meaning its a long term member, usually within seconds of posting...... Shame the online members box was scrapped....

Well put Hottoshop. I wholehartedly agree with what you are saying here.

I posted a deal this afternoon for free lego magnet things for anyone interested. Had full details, links, price etc etc , checked it hadn't been previously posted, yet within minutes it was voted cold, but no comments as to say why. There are loads of deals I look at that have been voted cold straight away and it really is so annoying when there is no explanations. But all it is doing is making you think twice about posting, should you really bother and so disheartening for new members. The cold voters should be made to put a reason for their cold vote or don't vote at all.

There, rant over......feel better now :w00t:

There is an ability to vote hot/cold from the detailed view tab but not … There is an ability to vote hot/cold from the detailed view tab but not the text only view. What is the thinking behind that decision and shouldn't it be that members can ony vote hot/cold after actually reading the whole of the thread ?



This doesn't make sense does it? I don't use the detailed view, but I just checked it. If you can see the Price, retailer, availabilty etc without reading the entire thread(Which might have no responses), surely that is enough to make an informed decision.

How can you know if someone has read the entire thread if in "Text only" mode?

Shengis;1531575

And have you noticed the first cold one is normally around a -9 meaning … And have you noticed the first cold one is normally around a -9 meaning its a long term member, usually within seconds of posting...... Shame the online members box was scrapped....



1) A lot of members who you might not consider "regulars" have high voting temps.
2) It could be multiple votes in a short space of time.
3) They may not be serially voting cold... could just be on that deal.

:thumbsup:

does the amount of viewings affect the temp? I realise the amount of posts in a thread affects it...

bazzaric;1531706
I realise the amount of posts in a thread affects it...


Really? In what way? :thinking:

Could it be fixed that you can only vote cold after posting, so that, at least, you have to make some sort of response?
Also, this is relevant to what nightswimmer was saying and others have said before, in other feedback - that it isn't made very clear what "to do" about voting/rep/responses. Is the idea that we just settle it amongst ourselves whilst mods make sure that all the toys don't get thrown out?

bazzaric;1531706

does the amount of viewings affect the temp? I realise the amount of … does the amount of viewings affect the temp? I realise the amount of posts in a thread affects it...



This was mentioned the other day. It used to affect it but now it's done by the number of click throughs to the deal instead as it's more accurate (people may open a thread due to indescriptive title for example).

It's only a very very small amount though.

All good points/questions.

I wish people would say why they are voting cold, cos it's frustrating when you have researched somethin fo ages and cant find it cheaper anywhere yet you get cold votes. I know it can't be enforced but apart from being annoying, it leaves you wondering if there is still a better deal out there for the item.

Also, why are you allowed to vote on your own deal? Is this just a bug/something that can't be fixed or is it ok to do this?

It's fine to do that nightswimmer.

emmajk42;1531872

It's fine to do that nightswimmer.



Thanks emma. I shall look forward to no longer feeling pangs of guilt when I 'accidentally' *cough* click on hot for one of my deals. ;-):oops:

but does an actual post on the thread add heat still?

sometimes when i see a post 'bullied', i add heat if it's a good post. just to even things up a bit.

bazzaric;1532137

but does an actual post on the thread add heat still?



As I said above, it's been replaced by clickthrough but it's a tiny amount and doesn't really affect anything...

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thesaint;1531592

This doesn't make sense does it? I don't use the detailed view, but I … This doesn't make sense does it? I don't use the detailed view, but I just checked it. If you can see the Price, retailer, availabilty etc without reading the entire thread(Which might have no responses), surely that is enough to make an informed decision.How can you know if someone has read the entire thread if in "Text only" mode?



No, you're quite right. my mistake. This should read:

There is an ability to vote hot/cold from the detailed view tab but not the text only view. What is the thinking behind that decision and shouldn't it be that members can ony vote hot/cold after actually reading the whole of the OPENING POST ?

Original Poster

duckmagicuk2;1531569

Yes, we can monitor votes and people who serially cold vote are dealt … Yes, we can monitor votes and people who serially cold vote are dealt with accordingly.



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Thanks Ducky, that's good to know[/COLOR].

Shengis;1531575

And have you noticed the first cold one is normally around a -9 meaning … And have you noticed the first cold one is normally around a -9 meaning its a long term member, usually within seconds of posting...... Shame the online members box was scrapped....



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Agreed, wholeheartedly[/COLOR]. :x

duckmagicuk2;1531598

1) A lot of members who you might not consider "regulars" have high … 1) A lot of members who you might not consider "regulars" have high voting temps.2) It could be multiple votes in a short space of time.3) They may not be serially voting cold... could just be on that deal. :thumbsup:



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]That's why I experimented with the times of posting. Shengis is dead right. It is always very early morning and always -9, and always without the thread being viewed.[/COLOR] :whistling:

Original Poster

nightswimmer;1531864

All good points/questions. :)Also, why are you allowed to vote on your … All good points/questions. :)Also, why are you allowed to vote on your own deal? Is this just a bug/something that can't be fixed or is it ok to do this?



emmajk42;1531872

It's fine to do that nightswimmer.



If i didn't add my hot vote I'd be off to dealer therapy in tears very quickly, lmao. :w00t::)


In all seriousness though it really doesn't bother me personally what happens to my deals but I do hate nastiness and the like.
Also have been watching this since the traumas of the site change and although things have calmed down a lot this area I think is one that must be putting people off posting deals, especially the newcomers to the site.

Just my opinion.

hottoshop;1532323

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]That's why I experimented with the times of posting. … [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]That's why I experimented with the times of posting. Shengis is dead right. It is always very early morning and always -9, and always without the thread being viewed.[/COLOR] :whistling:



If you have any concerns and thing that there could be some serial voting going on then report a couple of threads from that timeframe and we'll take a look.

We do have a page which shows us the top cold voters though so anyone who is really taking the michael will be dealt with that way.

Original Poster

duckmagicuk2;1532446

We do have a page which shows us the top cold voters though so anyone who … We do have a page which shows us the top cold voters though so anyone who is really taking the michael will be dealt with that way.



That's enough for me, thanks Ducky

nightswimmer;1531864

Also, why are you allowed to vote on your own deal? Is this just a … Also, why are you allowed to vote on your own deal? Is this just a bug/something that can't be fixed or is it ok to do this?



emmajk42;1531872

It's fine to do that nightswimmer.



hottoshop;1532352

If i didn't add my hot vote I'd be off to dealer therapy in tears very … If i didn't add my hot vote I'd be off to dealer therapy in tears very quickly, lmao. :w00t::)



I do not believe I have ever voted any of my own deals hot myself(Boy, could they use it). I feel that it shouldn't be done, although I wouldn't criticise anyone for doing it.

Might I just say what a very fine thread this has turned out to be. Nicely thought through.

Original Poster

I still wouldn't mind some sort of feedback on my last three points though if only for learning more rather than prolonging the thread.

hottoshop;1532291

There is an ability to vote hot/cold from the detailed view tab but not … There is an ability to vote hot/cold from the detailed view tab but not the text only view. What is the thinking behind that decision and shouldn't it be that members can ony vote hot/cold after actually reading the whole of the OPENING POST ?



Agree, as above:thumbsup:

Is anything going to be done to educate those that just vote hot/cold … Is anything going to be done to educate those that just vote hot/cold because they like or dislike the item completely ignoring whether it is or isn't a bargain price.



I have never seen a 'Guide' on how to vote, so I can't see how you can educate people when there is no 'curriculm'.

Some of the things I've posted I knew would have a limited appeal and … Some of the things I've posted I knew would have a limited appeal and indeed a couple were with minority groups in mind. Is this encouraged or frowned upon by Admin/Mod's. (lol I'm well aware of what the majority think by the temp vote, brrrrr)



I know my deals will not reach a reasonable temperature, but I post them because hopefully someone will benefit from them.
Knowing that a cold deal can effect your voting power bothers me a little, but the 'minority' groups need to be catered for as well. I guess you can think of it as "Taking one for the team".

thesaint;1533378

I have never seen a 'Guide' on how to vote, so I can't see how you can … I have never seen a 'Guide' on how to vote, so I can't see how you can educate people when there is no 'curriculm'.


I agree with you that there's a lack of guidelines on here, as I've mentioned previously but surely common sense should tell everyone if they'd just take a step back from whatever agenda they might be on, that a deal isn't cold just because they don't like the item. People should be voting on 'the deal' and IMO the only aspect of the item which should be voted on is the quality when being compared to the price.

I know my deals will not reach a reasonable temperature, but I post them … I know my deals will not reach a reasonable temperature, but I post them because hopefully someone will benefit from them. Knowing that a cold deal can effect your voting power bothers me a little, but the 'minority' groups need to be catered for as well. I guess you can think of it as "Taking one for the team".

I'd guess that a large majority of us do that too. ;-) But we shouldn't have to 'take one for the team' if people voted logically. If people are worrying that we'll be overcome with unpopular hot deals, that'll never happen because the cracking deals that only appeal to a minority will remain in relatively low figures due to the low number of people it appeals to voting it hot. Unless the people who don't like the item know of a better deal, know the seller has a bad reputation, know the product is poor quality etc then surely they shouldn't be voting at all? Why bother going to the effort when you've no interest in it? :thinking:

chesso;1531783

Could it be fixed that you can only vote cold after posting, so that, at … Could it be fixed that you can only vote cold after posting, so that, at least, you have to make some sort of response?


I think that's a good idea, 'anonymous' cold votes are frustrating as they could be for two different reasons:

- the deal is genuinely cold and there is another company with a better price or a similar product for a better price

- the person is just voting it cold for the sake of it

Obviously it's useful to know if there is a better deal out there, this type of cold vote is obviously correct but not much use without any information. For the second type of vote, hopefully if the person had to post in the thread then they would be discouraged from voting cold as it would become fairly obvious who is voting cold especially these odd cold votes late at night.

On balance the system seems to work reasonably well, any deal which has had a reasonable amount of activity seems to have a temperature which is about right - any cold deals I've seen (again after a reasonable number of votes) are not great deals and should be cold.

John

Johnmcl7;1534466

I think that's a good idea, 'anonymous' cold votes are frustrating as … I think that's a good idea, 'anonymous' cold votes are frustrating as they could be for two different reasons:- the deal is genuinely cold and there is another company with a better price or a similar product for a better price- the person is just voting it cold for the sake of itObviously it's useful to know if there is a better deal out there, this type of cold vote is obviously correct but not much use without any information. For the second type of vote, hopefully if the person had to post in the thread then they would be discouraged from voting cold as it would become fairly obvious who is voting cold especially these odd cold votes late at night.On balance the system seems to work reasonably well, any deal which has had a reasonable amount of activity seems to have a temperature which is about right - any cold deals I've seen (again after a reasonable number of votes) are not great deals and should be cold.John



what about voting for availability(might be an item thats been out of stock everywhere and not due in), functional use(might be a completly useless product), there are many reasons why it can be voted cold not just 2 (which may add more defense to the request actually )

Johnmcl7;1534466

it would become fairly obvious who is voting cold especially these odd … it would become fairly obvious who is voting cold especially these odd cold votes late at night.



There's nobody here but us chickens.....:whistling:

m00nie;1534669

what about voting for availability(might be an item thats been out of … what about voting for availability(might be an item thats been out of stock everywhere and not due in), functional use(might be a completly useless product), there are many reasons why it can be voted cold not just 2 (which may add more defense to the request actually )



Actually no - all those come under the first case where a deal is genuinely cold.

The second reason is where a deal should not be voted cold.

John

Johnmcl7;1534466

I think that's a good idea, 'anonymous' cold votes are frustrating as … I think that's a good idea, 'anonymous' cold votes are frustrating as they could be for two different reasons:- [COLOR=sandybrown]the deal is genuinely cold[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]and [/COLOR][COLOR=yellowgreen]there is another company with a better price or a similar product for a better price[/COLOR]- [COLOR=magenta]the person is just voting it cold for the sake of it[/COLOR]john



Then that makes 3

I must admit,i've been holding back posting deals,as they keep getting cold votes,with no reason,then they go hot?:thinking:
I'm not saying all deals posted are good,because some are not,i'd be the first to agree...put this can be off putting......but i now rethink before posting now.....:thumbsup:
But will keep posting some deals i find but not all :-D

m00nie;1535174

Then that makes 3



No - two reasons, the post is genuinely cold or it isn't simple as that, I was simply citing examples of why a deal could be genuinely voted cold.

John

Original Poster

I'll post here the same comment I left on the following thread regarding Post 2:
hotukdeals.com/ite…056

If ever there was a reason for site controls on voting it's posts like … If ever there was a reason for site controls on voting it's posts like this one.Unbelievable !

Haha... "like what poor people have".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/humber/content/images/2005/10/03/grammar_police_car_203x152.jpg

duckmagicuk2;1531569

Yes, we can monitor votes and people who serially cold vote are dealt … Yes, we can monitor votes and people who serially cold vote are dealt with accordingly.



Well I have a suspicion that a certain member is voting all the supermarket deals cold. Check the Pringles thread for a clue ;-)

I've just been through two pages of grocery deals. Yes, there are cold votes there (sometimes from "regular" users) but nothing more than 2 per user in those two pages. I wouldn't say any of them were voting cold excessively.

So, back to the idea that you would have to post before voting cold. Is it actually technically possible? Is it a good idea? Would it solve more problems that it creates?
And ... voting on vouchers. Is there any reason in the world why someone would vote cold on a 10 day old post for money off and a free box of chocs on £50 spend. Clealy there are millions of people who wouldn't take advantage of the offer but to vote cold on a voucher with no posted reason - why???
You know that sassie a bit back suggested a general thank-you button, rather than leaving rep - perhaps that would be a better option rather than temp for vouchers.

chesso;1541017

So, back to the idea that you would have to post before voting cold. Is … So, back to the idea that you would have to post before voting cold. Is it actually technically possible? Is it a good idea? Would it solve more problems that it creates?



The trouble is, if say 30 people want to vote it cold, you'll then get 30 posts in that thread. Each of those posts has the potential to turn into a "You shouldn't have voted it cold for that reason" / "Yes they should" debate.

On top of that, it might put people off voting cold if they have to give an explanation. Some people just won't be bothered to do it if they have to spend time composing a post, and others won't want to face the possible agro caused by stating their reason.

Don't get me wrong, as I said above, I would like to see people post why they think the deal is cold, I just don't think you can make it compulsary without causing a different set of problems (above and beyond any technical difficulties).
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