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You are comparing a game which is no longer being made and therefore has no rrp with a console (?) which is currently being manufactured and has an rrp.

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RossD89

You are comparing a game which is no longer being made and therefore has … You are comparing a game which is no longer being made and therefore has no rrp with a console (?) which is currently being manufactured and has an rrp.


You say that but a rule for trading is that something that doesn't have an rrp can not be traded on here... So where is the rrp for a game no longer available?

JohnnyRoller

You say that but a rule for trading is that something that doesn't have … You say that but a rule for trading is that something that doesn't have an rrp can not be traded on here... So where is the rrp for a game no longer available?



​ to my knowledge that's more for things like Xbox live trials, dlc and the ultraviolet codes you get with Blu Rays, if a game is really rare and out of production I've seen games go for a lot more that it would've been at rrp

JohnnyRoller

You say that but a rule for trading is that something that doesn't have … You say that but a rule for trading is that something that doesn't have an rrp can not be traded on here... So where is the rrp for a game no longer available?



If it's no longer being made and has no RRP then it will just apply to the profiting. A mod might lock it until you show how much you paid. That might be difficult if it's been in your loft for 25 years.
As for a rare old game you will get a bigger market by using eBay.

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mazyaman

​ to my knowledge that's more for things like Xbox live trials, dlc and t … ​ to my knowledge that's more for things like Xbox live trials, dlc and the ultraviolet codes you get with Blu Rays, if a game is really rare and out of production I've seen games go for a lot more that it would've been at rrp


Yeah that's my point but I've seen threads closed for the said reasons. Others left open. There should be a specific trading rule to clarify. And imo if cex will pay cash openly online to anyone for a specific item then the same amount should be allowed on here regardless of profit. As otherwise it rules out selling that particular item on here. As say I want to sell my mini NES to cex for £80 there may be people on here that would happily pay that and it would help them more than cex. As I say just my opinion anyway.

JohnnyRoller

Yeah that's my point but I've seen threads closed for the said reasons. … Yeah that's my point but I've seen threads closed for the said reasons. Others left open. There should be a specific trading rule to clarify. And imo if cex will pay cash openly online to anyone for a specific item then the same amount should be allowed on here regardless of profit. As otherwise it rules out selling that particular item on here. As say I want to sell my mini NES to cex for £80 there may be people on here that would happily pay that and it would help them more than cex. As I say just my opinion anyway.



But that is a current item and at £80 is profiteering unless you have proof. Pretty simple.

JohnnyRoller

Yeah that's my point but I've seen threads closed for the said reasons. … Yeah that's my point but I've seen threads closed for the said reasons. Others left open. There should be a specific trading rule to clarify. And imo if cex will pay cash openly online to anyone for a specific item then the same amount should be allowed on here regardless of profit. As otherwise it rules out selling that particular item on here. As say I want to sell my mini NES to cex for £80 there may be people on here that would happily pay that and it would help them more than cex. As I say just my opinion anyway.


You are just describing profiteering. You say if cex allow something to be sold for more than rrp then it should be allowed here to benefit members here? Just because someone is willing to pay a certain amount for something doesn't mean that it's morally current. I think the stance here is correct as it is.

GAVINLEWISHUKD

But that is a current item and at £80 is profiteering unless you have … But that is a current item and at £80 is profiteering unless you have proof. Pretty simple.


I agree with you there, JohnnyRoller, If you are selling something for more than you paid it is profiteering, unless you can prove that you said paid £80 for the mini NES, CEX are known to pay above RRP for certain items including but not limited to PSVR, newly released iPhones, new games consoles, which they then sell for far above RRP

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GAVINLEWISHUKD

But that is a current item and at £80 is profiteering unless you have … But that is a current item and at £80 is profiteering unless you have proof. Pretty simple.



MIDURIX

You are just describing profiteering. You say if cex allow something to … You are just describing profiteering. You say if cex allow something to be sold for more than rrp then it should be allowed here to benefit members here? Just because someone is willing to pay a certain amount for something doesn't mean that it's morally current. I think the stance here is correct as it is.


Yes it is simple to say it's profiteering as that's what it is. But due to cex offering a cash value of that it means members quite simply can not sell that item on here. As the buyer could be buying for profiteering reasons. So it rules out selling the said items. As I say just my opinion as everyone has one. Members bulk buy and sell elsewhere for profit, probably a large proportion. It happens whether that is the ethics to the site is by the by.

JohnnyRoller

Yes it is simple to say it's profiteering as that's what it is. But due … Yes it is simple to say it's profiteering as that's what it is. But due to cex offering a cash value of that it means members quite simply can not sell that item on here. As the buyer could be buying for profiteering reasons. So it rules out selling the said items. As I say just my opinion as everyone has one. Members bulk buy and sell elsewhere for profit, probably a large proportion. It happens whether that is the ethics to the site is by the by.


You've completely lost me.

JohnnyRoller

Yes it is simple to say it's profiteering as that's what it is. But due … Yes it is simple to say it's profiteering as that's what it is. But due to cex offering a cash value of that it means members quite simply can not sell that item on here. As the buyer could be buying for profiteering reasons. So it rules out selling the said items. As I say just my opinion as everyone has one. Members bulk buy and sell elsewhere for profit, probably a large proportion. It happens whether that is the ethics to the site is by the by.



What!?

If you want to help people on here as you say then list it at the £50+postage. Then you are not out of pocket and helping members.
If you want to make a profit then sell to CEX. Simple!

MIDURIX

You've completely lost me.


Are you saying if an item has an rrp of £10, cex sells for £20 so it should be allowed for sale here at £20?

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MIDURIX

You've completely lost me.


Obviously...

GAVINLEWISHUKD

What!?If you want to help people on here as you say then list it at the … What!?If you want to help people on here as you say then list it at the £50+postage. Then you are not out of pocket and helping members.If you want to make a profit then sell to CEX. Simple!


What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy from here to sell for profit elsewhere. No one has or will sell a mini nes on here as they know the buyer is likely buying for profiteering... not rocket science. Lots are happy to help people. But selling for less than what is widely available is stupidity not helpful. Hence why not one member has or will until they are widely available. That doesn't mean members don't want to help it just means they are not stupid.

JohnnyRoller

Obviously...What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy … Obviously...What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy from here to sell for profit elsewhere. No one has or will sell a mini nes on here as they know the buyer is likely buying for profiteering... not rocket science. Lots are happy to help people. But selling for less than what is widely available is stupidity not helpful. Hence why not one member has or will until they are widely available. That doesn't mean members don't want to help it just means they are not stupid.



I think you are fixated with this item. The majority of items bought here are not sold on at all and certainly not for profit. 99% of items are not profitable to buy from here.

If your not happy selling here don't. The choice is yours.

Supermod

GAVINLEWISHUKD

What!?If you want to help people on here as you say then list it at the … What!?If you want to help people on here as you say then list it at the £50+postage. Then you are not out of pocket and helping members.If you want to make a profit then sell to CEX. Simple!



This ^

"What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy from here to sell for profit elsewhere" - I don't think thats true. Some might do that but I would not say the majority of members do. That'd be quite a number!!

Look at this example here from Paddy_o_Furniture which I think is an amazing example of what makes the HUKD community what it is (and why we have the rules we do) offering a Hatchimal for what he paid knowing full well 2 weeks ago he could have made himself a few quid - hotukdeals.com/for…717

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GAVINLEWISHUKD

I think you are fixated with this item. The majority of items bought here … I think you are fixated with this item. The majority of items bought here are not sold on at all and certainly not for profit. 99% of items are not profitable to buy from here.If your not happy selling here don't. The choice is yours.


I think you fail to understand the purpose in my post... I'll leave it at that with you as explaining the purpose of my post just frustrates you.

JohnnyRoller

Obviously...What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy … Obviously...What I'm saying is the majority of members on here now buy from here to sell for profit elsewhere. No one has or will sell a mini nes on here as they know the buyer is likely buying for profiteering... not rocket science. Lots are happy to help people. But selling for less than what is widely available is stupidity not helpful. Hence why not one member has or will until they are widely available. That doesn't mean members don't want to help it just means they are not stupid.


I get you, but I don't think anyone sells on here to be helpful. I don't think anyone is thinking 'oh I would really love to sell my nes mini and help someone out, but someone might profiteer'. I also don't think many people sell on here without knowing the current market value.

Anyway, I think you have the rule on here mixed up, it's to stop sellers on here selling for more than rrp.
You say

Due to this it stops the option to sell on here as the buyer could be … Due to this it stops the option to sell on here as the buyer could be buying for profiteering reasons.


Well that isn't true. Someone can sell on here for rrp and then the buyer of said item can then sell elsewhere for a profit, there is no stopping that.

JohnnyRoller

I think you fail to understand the purpose in my post... I'll leave it at … I think you fail to understand the purpose in my post... I'll leave it at that with you as explaining the purpose of my post just frustrates you.



I fully understand what you are saying. The rules are there and work fine and don't need changing.

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