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Its a fair point tbh

then again it is how it is,
take it or leave it.

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phatboy123;5926036

Its a fair point tbhthen again it is how it is,take it or leave it.




:w00t::evil:

Feedback isn't the place for dramatics.

Use the "Contact Us" form to report the "trolls".

Unfortunately this is rarely enforced and this inaction has resulted in … Unfortunately this is rarely enforced and this inaction has resulted in members themselves taking action against trolls by spamming their threads. The trolls try and prevent this by immediately expiring their threads to prevent the spamming. If the threads are spammed then the trolls simply have to ask the mods to re-instate a thread and it is re-instated only to be spammed again. Some threads have been spammed and un-spammed countless times.


if you think a member is trolling you should report the post not spam it

I believe TheSaint done a Expire and Spam guide, is a good read.


hotukdeals.com/ite…779

If you put 4 or 5 certain members on your ignore list you'll tend to find that it does solve the problem.

We just need an option to ignore their threads and get rid of the bit where it says this member is on your ignore list or whatever it is.

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RedIron;5926162

If you put 4 or 5 certain members on your ignore list you'll tend to find … If you put 4 or 5 certain members on your ignore list you'll tend to find that it does solve the problem.We just need an option to ignore their threads and get rid of the bit where it says this member is on your ignore list or whatever it is.



Good call.

So you managed to avoid the 2 posts directly above your reply then?

I make you right Gari. Interesting that 2 of the main culprits felt the need to suggest you make a report. It sums it up to be honest. "We've just trolled you and we know even if you make a report, nothing will happen."

RedIron;5926162

If you put 4 or 5 certain members on your ignore list you'll tend to find … If you put 4 or 5 certain members on your ignore list you'll tend to find that it does solve the problem.We just need an option to ignore their threads and get rid of the bit where it says this member is on your ignore list or whatever it is.



That sums it up pretty well and I'd definitely like to see the ignore thread option especially this evening although if less peopl took the bait it would certainly help considerably.

John

phatboy123;5926036

Its a fair point tbhthen again it is how it is,take it or leave it.



plus one!

thesaint;5926080

Feedback isn't the place for dramatics.Use the "Contact Us" form to … Feedback isn't the place for dramatics.Use the "Contact Us" form to report the "trolls".



Surely the OP is just giving feedback on how he feels the moderator team isnt enforcing rules set out by themselves... no??

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guv;5926810

Good call.So you managed to avoid the 2 posts directly above your reply … Good call.So you managed to avoid the 2 posts directly above your reply then?I make you right Gari. Interesting that 2 of the main culprits felt the need to suggest you make a report. It sums it up to be honest. "We've just trolled you and we know even if you make a report, nothing will happen."


+1 :thumbsup:

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DudeyGeeza;5927061

Surely the OP is just giving feedback on how he feels the moderator team … Surely the OP is just giving feedback on how he feels the moderator team isnt enforcing rules set out by themselves... no??



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]It's clearly just another thinly veiled attempt at bullying a certain HUKD user.

I'd go the other way - some of the comments made about the user in question last night went way beyond the HUKD rulebook and became systematic bullying.

I reported a number of posts, but nothing at all was done about it, so I can only assume its acceptable behaviour these days.
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vibeone;5928000

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]It's clearly just another thinly veiled attempt at … [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]It's clearly just another thinly veiled attempt at bullying a certain HUKD user.I'd go the other way - some of the comments made about the user in question last night went way beyond the HUKD rulebook and became systematic bullying. I reported a number of posts, but nothing at all was done about it, so I can only assume its acceptable behaviour these days.[/COLOR]



Or that the mods who are currently modertaing this forum aren't doing what they are supposed to.

Or that, as does happen so i have been told, reports go missing.......

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Why do trolls post in bold or coloured text - or both?

Attention seeking at its best.... "look at me.... look at me...."

Hope this feedback / observation helps.

Soloution : Close the misc... it serves no purpose other than to keep bored housewives entertained and raise certain members blood pressure to what seems (to me) to be dangerous levels...

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guv;5928264

Why do trolls post in bold or coloured text - or both?Attention seeking … Why do trolls post in bold or coloured text - or both?Attention seeking at its best.... "look at me.... look at me...."Hope this feedback / observation helps.


[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]That is correct. Clearly it works. Good to know - thanks.

BTW, the mods class calling posters trolls, as trolling as well. Just so you know [/COLOR]


Flodd;5928349

Soloution : Close the misc... it serves no purpose other than to keep … Soloution : Close the misc... it serves no purpose other than to keep bored housewives entertained and raise certain members blood pressure to what seems (to me) to be dangerous levels...



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Agreed. Sad middle-aged women, and silly children getting obsessed with other users. Close it.[/COLOR]

Flodd;5928349

Soloution : Close the misc... it serves no purpose other than to keep … Soloution : Close the misc... it serves no purpose other than to keep bored housewives entertained and raise certain members blood pressure to what seems (to me) to be dangerous levels...



I don't like limiting posters. But limiting the structure of posts might stop the same few who post argumentative posts.

But that means more rules for mods to enforce. Don't think they would enjoy that.:?

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vibeone;5928000

It's clearly just another thinly veiled attempt at bullying a certain … It's clearly just another thinly veiled attempt at bullying a certain HUKD user.


No it isn't. I have no problems with some of BG1's threads but others are just an obvious troll.

The result is that Misc has become a farce, divided into different factions. There are those that object to the troll threads, there are those that actively support the trolls (not because they believe them but just to annoy the other faction), those that support the trolls because they like them, there are those that indifferent to it and those that are just fed-up with the whole thing .

Mods openly say that "if you ignore them and don't react they will go away". This is a tacit admission that they are trolls and yet no action is taken against them. Its a bit like saying "scammers are not allowed in FS/FT" but if anyone does post a scam in there we won't do anything about it just don't respond.

Its incomprehensible that negative rep was removed because it was too divisive and yet they allow troll threads which are equally divisive.

Misc is a mess and something needs to be done about it. If anyone has any better suggestions then fire away.

I think Misc should be done away with for all but Serious Discussion and they can open up one of their blog site things for random storytelling, games & chats etc.

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vibeone;5928429

is correct. Clearly it works. Good to know - thanks.BTW, the mods class … is correct. Clearly it works. Good to know - thanks.BTW, the mods class calling posters trolls, as trolling as well. Just so you know



So lets get this straight, (not that I was referring to you directly in the first place) - you are typing in bold because you want to get attention?

I thought you were older than 17. Maybe I was wrong?

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gari189;5928471

No it isn't. I have no problems with some of BG1's threads but others … No it isn't. I have no problems with some of BG1's threads but others are just an obvious troll.The result is that Misc has become a farce, divided into different factions. There are those that object to the troll threads, there are those that actively support the trolls (not because they believe them but just to annoy the other faction), those that support the trolls because they like them, there are those that indifferent to it and those that are just fed-up with the whole thing . Mods openly say that "if you ignore them and don't react they will go away". This is a tacit admission that they are trolls and yet no action is taken against them. Its a bit like saying "scammers are not allowed in FS/FT" but if anyone does post a scam in there we won't do anything about it just don't respond.Its incomprehensible that negative rep was removed because it was too divisive and yet they allow troll threads which are equally divisive.Misc is a mess and something needs to be done about it. If anyone has any better suggestions then fire away.


[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]
Hmm, it seems we may be able to have a proper discussion then, rather than the ranting you get from others. (Thats a compliment btw).

Simple question: If BG trolls now and again - and I'm not saying he does, but going on what you said... is that any reason for the abusive nature of the threads made about him, the borderline bullying and harassment, and the online-stalking of him?[/COLOR]

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guv;5928507

So lets get this straight, (not that I was referring to you directly in … So lets get this straight, (not that I was referring to you directly in the first place) - you are typing in bold because you want to get attention?I thought you were older than 17. Maybe I was wrong?



[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]1) Yes.
2) Do you mean you would like to know my age, or are you just doing that childish thing morons do "how old are you?" "act your age not your shoe size" etc etc?

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gari189;5928471

Mods openly say that "if you ignore them and don't react they will go … Mods openly say that "if you ignore them and don't react they will go away". This is a tacit admission that they are trolls and yet no action is taken against them. [COLOR=DarkRed] Its a bit like saying "scammers are not allowed in FS/FT" but if anyone does post a scam in there we won't do anything about it just don't respond.[/COLOR]



You lost me on the above point, that's quite clearly untrue and I'm sure the vast majority will also disagree with you.

With regards to the abuse of spam/expire buttons - It is an issue that will be dealt with. Expiring/Spamming a topic for the simple reason that you don't like the OP is not valid. Likewise abuse of the expiry button in order to leave a permanent record of your thread is not acceptable (if that is indeed the case).

If anyone wishes to remove a lot of nonsense from Misc, please consider altering the custom tab to perform this role. I've set the Forums option limited to Misc and the Category to include all items apart from nonsense. It removes the vast majority of 'Nonsense' topics from view. We can do our best to ensure that OP's file their threads correctly and educate those who don't.

Note: Colour coded - not for attention, but to highlight a part of your quote only.

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aScottishBloke;5928664

You lost me on the above point, that's quite clearly untrue and I'm sure … You lost me on the above point, that's quite clearly untrue and I'm sure the vast majority will also disagree with you.With regards to the abuse of spam/expire buttons - It is an issue that will be dealt with. Expiring/Spamming a topic for the simple reason that you don't like the OP is not valid. Likewise abuse of the expiry button in order to leave a permanent record of your thread is not acceptable (if that is indeed the case).If anyone wishes to remove a lot of nonsense from Misc, please consider altering the custom tab to perform this role. I've set the Forums option limited to Misc and the Category to include all items apart from nonsense. It removes the vast majority of 'Nonsense' topics from view. We can do our best to ensure that OP's file their threads correctly and educate those who don't.Note: Colour coded - not for attention, but to highlight a part of your quote only.


[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]So what are the mods gonna do about the abuse of certain posters, and the stalking and bullying?

Note: Colour coded - because I'm important.
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aScottishBloke;5928664

You lost me on the above point, that's quite clearly untrue and I'm sure … You lost me on the above point, that's quite clearly untrue and I'm sure the vast majority will also disagree with you.



I think you misunderstood what he was saying (or I have). The way I read it was that he wasn't saying that happens, and just used a (extreme) example of a similar thing.
Mods admit there are trolls, mods admit some posts are trolling posts. If the forum was moderated correctly there wouldn't be any trolls as they would be banned. The fact that the same people get away with it time and time again obviously creates resentment among people, especially when others get warnings/suspended for doing less than the so called trolls.
Look at last night, a thread created specifically to wind others up, asking for proof of a photoshoot. Now I'm not exactly a BG1 fan after he made certain comments about what he might or might not do if he were in Spain, but you can't allow threads like that for one and not for another. I would bet if a thread similar to that had been made about some other members it would have been removed and the OP suspended at least.


With regards to the abuse of spam/expire buttons - It is an issue that … With regards to the abuse of spam/expire buttons - It is an issue that will be dealt with. Expiring/Spamming a topic for the simple reason that you don't like the OP is not valid. Likewise abuse of the expiry button in order to leave a permanent record of your thread is not acceptable (if that is indeed the case).



So why has nothing been done about it so far? And surely you can tell if someone is abusing the expiry button?

If anyone wishes to remove a lot of nonsense from Misc, please consider … If anyone wishes to remove a lot of nonsense from Misc, please consider altering the custom tab to perform this role. I've set the Forums option limited to Misc and the Category to include all items apart from nonsense. It removes the vast majority of 'Nonsense' topics from view. We can do our best to ensure that OP's file their threads correctly and educate those who don't.



Surely you don't filter posts in misc? How can you moderate correctly if you don't see all the posts?

From what I see there seems to be 3 or 4 prolific trolls on here. Part of the problem are the people (again usually the same people) who feed them. I would bet that a good 75% of reports and spammed threads you get are regarding a hardcore minority of about a dozen members. No good will come from allowing the trolls to take over the chat section of the site. Been there, done that, lost a good proportion of my membership thats taken years to build back up.

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colinsunderland,

The filter issue was aimed at members who wish to have a quick solution to avoiding 'Nonsense' posts in misc. It works and should be used as another tool to prevent some members imploding.

We try not to venture into Misc too much. It should be an area where members can freely discuss a wide range of issues ranging from important events, requesting advice right though to the downright ridiculous. As long as the Code Of Conduct is adhered to, then all should be ok.

The thread you referred to in your example was also noted and posted in by the member referred to. No objections were raised that I can recall.

On the issue of expiry/spamming. We do intervene where possible, certainly if there is any pattern emerging, and we shall continue to do so.

Your final point - I don't filter. I was merely offering you and others an insight into the process.

Hope this helps a little.

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colinsunderland;5928778

I think you misunderstood what he was saying (or I have). The way I read … I think you misunderstood what he was saying (or I have). The way I read it was that he wasn't saying that happens, and just used a (extreme) example of a similar thing.Mods admit there are trolls, mods admit some posts are trolling posts. If the forum was moderated correctly there wouldn't be any trolls as they would be banned. The fact that the same people get away with it time and time again obviously creates resentment among people, especially when others get warnings/suspended for doing less than the so called trolls.So why has nothing been done about it so far? And surely you can tell if someone is abusing the expiry button?


Thanks for clarifying my scamming example :thumbsup:

With regards to the consistant spamming of some threads I suspect in many cases no action has been taken because the threads were "questionable". If a thread is unjustly spammed then action should be taken against the members spamming it. If justly spammed why is the thread re-instated?

Its my impression that members are resorting to spamming because nothing is happening officially - a sort of online vigilante response.

If all members complied with the troll rule then any threads targeting the trolls would be more unacceptable to members and there would be no excuse for unnecessary spamming.

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aScottishBloke;5929023

colinsunderland,We try not to venture into Misc too much. It should be an … colinsunderland,We try not to venture into Misc too much. It should be an area where members can freely discuss a wide range of issues ranging from important events, requesting advice right though to the downright ridiculous. As long as the Code Of Conduct is adhered to, then all should be ok.



but obviously it isn't as evidenced by the threads in here, the frequent spamming of thredas in misc etc.

The thread you referred to in your example was also noted and posted in … The thread you referred to in your example was also noted and posted in by the member referred to. No objections were raised that I can recall.



Please, that was one of many as I'm sure you are well aware of. Not to mention the numerous threads started by him that end up with constant name calling/ending up spammed.

On the issue of expiry/spamming. We do intervene where possible, … On the issue of expiry/spamming. We do intervene where possible, certainly if there is any pattern emerging, and we shall continue to do so.



Well I'll take your word on that but I think a pattern must be extremely long before you take action. What about ]here where you state you spammed a thread. Surely that thread shouldn't have been spammed and either closed or removed?

Your final point - I don't filter. I was merely offering you and others … Your final point - I don't filter. I was merely offering you and others an insight into the process.Hope this helps a little.



Sorry, I presumed where you stated I've set the Forums option limited to Misc and the Category to include all items apart from nonsense, you meant you had.

aScottishBloke;5929023

We try not to venture into Misc too much. It should be an area where … We try not to venture into Misc too much. It should be an area where members can freely discuss a wide range of issues ranging from important events, requesting advice right though to the downright ridiculous. As long as the Code Of Conduct is adhered to, then all should be ok.



Risky business. The code of conduct isn't being adhered to, either by the posters who make trolling and 'counter-trolling' posts, or perhaps more significantly by the moderators who 'promise' that action is taken against spam-buttoners, false-expirers and trolls yet it never (or rarely) is. The misc section is beginning to look more and more like that from bodybuilding forums, I'm sure you know the recent history of that place and it isn't what you have in mind for HUKD :thumbsup:

Personally I don't have a problem with the people who start 'trolling/spamming' threads and post WITHIN those threads comments that are considered to be spamming/trolling. It's when the posts are done in other threads started by those looking for advice/guidance genuinely and the thread gets overtaken by the 'trolls'.

If the accused parties stuck to their own threads, then it's all a bit of light entertainment. When they start interrupting other threads with pointless comments it becomes trolling.

The only exception to this rule is when the new thread is deliberately meant to upset others or start arguments. Intelligent discussions are a different kettle of fish, and there are some who can have intelligent discussions at times on here

I'm just glad there are still some really good threads in 'the misc', and it's just a case of looking for them amongst the 'nonsense'

Admin

Totally agree with bazzaric, the other problem is that the threads some of you refer to as "Troll threads" "Nonsense"... whatever.. end up with the same members replying in them.

Perhaps the answer is if you don't want to read a thread, don't click it, don't reply to it. If you think something's been posted to cause trouble, report it. If you think something has been incorrectly spammed, report it. If you don't like / get on with anyone, ignore them and if you have a problem with a decision that a moderator takes then report it to Admin


We do take trolling seriously, we also take targeting of individual members/bullying seriously and sometimes there is a very fine line between the two.

We cannot do everything right unfortunately, not everyone will always agree with how we deal with certain situations so keep giving us feedback and we'll try and improve

I like Ascottishbloke's suggestion, the only problem is people tend to default for nonsense to post in misc as there's many threads while not nonsense, they don't fit into the other categories. With that in mind it may be better renaming General Deals to just General so that it could be used for both General deals and for non-specific, non-nonense misc threads.

John

I think that the two or three people you class are the MAIN culprits are the lesser of the trolls on this site! Their is 2 or 3 users who constantly post on the MAIN CULPRITS threads with derogatory posts and also post in random threads which has nothing to do with said members but yet bring these members up and make horrible posts against them. I think you should re-evaluate who the real trolls on this site are tbh

One thing that has been noticed is how quickly the spammed threads get unspammed with the trolls then posting

"thanks for unspamming mods".

Fair enough this happens when the thread has been spammed maliciously, but not always. It just looks a bit like the site is complicit in allowing the troll threads to continue.

Perhaps if these threads remained spammed then the OPs wouldn't bother creating them in the future?

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grex9101;5933643

One thing that has been noticed is how quickly the spammed threads get … One thing that has been noticed is how quickly the spammed threads get unspammed with the trolls then posting "thanks for unspamming mods".Fair enough this happens when the thread has been spammed maliciously, but not always. It just looks a bit like the site is complicit in allowing the troll threads to continue. Perhaps if these threads remained spammed then the OPs wouldn't bother creating them in the future?



We'll always unspam threads as soon as possible, if appropriate to do so. This does not mean we are in agreement with the subject matter of the thread. As for comments left after 'unspamming' - whilst I rarely see these, try to think of it as someone showing gratification.

Johnmcl7;5932421

I like Ascottishbloke's suggestion, the only problem is people tend to … I like Ascottishbloke's suggestion, the only problem is people tend to default for nonsense to post in misc as there's many threads while not nonsense, they don't fit into the other categories. With that in mind it may be better renaming General Deals to just General so that it could be used for both General deals and for non-specific, non-nonense misc threads.John



Agreed, its going back to the age-old discussion/request for a 'help' forum or 'serious' topic etc, some way to differentiate between nonsense-misc with its spam, chat and games and a serious-misc with help-requests, on-topic discussion and debate.

As is there is no dividing line - so no way to seperate the threads which really should remain on-topic and where in-jokes/personal differences/trolling should be discouraged and removed, and the off-topic threads which could be more relaxed.

It would perhaps require a little more moderation, but would be fairer all round and those who wanted to participate in the serious on-topic discussions could do so without much of the crap and squabbling that proliferates in 'the misc' these days.

aScottishBloke;5933826

We'll always unspam threads as soon as possible, if appropriate to do so. … We'll always unspam threads as soon as possible, if appropriate to do so. This does not mean we are in agreement with the subject matter of the thread. As for comments left after 'unspamming' - whilst I rarely see these, try to think of it as someone showing gratification.



Maybe when members boast to have special connections/power/influence with the moderation team and admin, it wouldn't hurt to make it clear that they don't!

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aScottishBloke;5933826

We'll always unspam threads as soon as possible, if appropriate to do … We'll always unspam threads as soon as possible, if appropriate to do so. This does not mean we are in agreement with the subject matter of the thread. As for comments left after 'unspamming' - whilst I rarely see these, try to think of it as someone showing gratification.



I tried.


It didn't work.

I don't believe you are naive to why that's being done, so it really does make this discussion pretty pointless.

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jah128;5933890

Maybe when members boast to have special connections/power/influence with … Maybe when members boast to have special connections/power/influence with the moderation team and admin, it wouldn't hurt to make it clear that they don't!



I can assure you they don't have any power/influence.

Hope this clarifies that matter for you.

aScottishBloke;5933963

I can assure you they don't have any power/influence.Hope this clarifies … I can assure you they don't have any power/influence.Hope this clarifies that matter for you.



Its okay, I'm well aware they don't... :giggle: But when people make such comments without response, its no wonder that the conspiracy theorists will follow :whistling:

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jah128;5933998

Its okay, I'm well aware they don't... :giggle: But when people make … Its okay, I'm well aware they don't... :giggle: But when people make such comments without response, its no wonder that the conspiracy theorists will follow :whistling:



I don't envisage the day where we check every comment made, nor do I think it reasonable for anyone to suggest that we share the same view point as OP's for unspamming their threads.

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