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Cant we see the list? :?

Also how can a person be added? By contacting a Mod?

Original Poster Admin

Of course you'll be able to see the list once we start adding people to it

Yeah, as detailed in the thread, you need to use the report function where the mod team will assess each case.

At what point will someone be added to the list?

Will the mods check to see that details have been exchanged properly/rules followed generally ?

finally something to help the scamming bar stewards that get here ...... maybe sticky it to the top of the fs board (like the rules in the red box) and then get people to add details such as usernames, real name & address so its much easier to find multi id's etc

Original Poster Admin

As stated, it is up to members to follow forum rules and guidelines.

If we receive a report that a member has failed to send an item, or issue a refund once agree, we'll look into it and add the guilty party/parties to the list.

Original Poster Admin

faevilangel;4400345

finally something to help the scamming bar stewards that get here ...... … finally something to help the scamming bar stewards that get here ...... maybe sticky it to the top of the fs board (like the rules in the red box) and then get people to add details such as usernames, real name & address so its much easier to find multi id's etc



At the moment, there is a link in FS forum rules to the thread, hopefully once word gets around that the thread is there it'll encourage members to complete their ongoing trades.

juliet_bravo;4400362

As stated, it is up to members to follow forum rules and guidelines.If we … As stated, it is up to members to follow forum rules and guidelines.If we receive a report that a member has failed to send an item, or issue a refund once agree, we'll look into it and add the guilty party/parties to the list. :-D



Ta :-D

but as i said above, also add any personal info from the guilty party as if you only add a username then they can get another & do it again ....... by adding personal info then people can check it when they are doing a deal

works well on the av forums

About time.

Well Done. JB

but as i said above, also add any personal info from the guilty party as … but as i said above, also add any personal info from the guilty party as if you only add a username then they can get another & do it again ....... by adding personal info then people can check it when they are doing a deal works well on the av forums



good point that

+1

Original Poster Admin

We can't post up members personal details, for starters we don't store personal information and it would not be our place to publish it. Members dealing with new traders should exact caution when using the FS forum, they should insist on comprehensive contact details, check them, get a land line number, check the area code corresponds with the address, use protected Paypal, collect the item if possible...

Members can protect themselves if they use the guidelines set out. This list is simply to encourage amicable dispute settlement, or to avoid transactions getting to crisis point in the first place.

Banned

when does it move to punch up stage ?

juliet_bravo;4400592

We can't post up members personal details, for starters we don't store … We can't post up members personal details, for starters we don't store personal information and it would not be our place to publish it. Members dealing with new traders should exact caution when using the FS forum, they should insist on comprehensive contact details, check them, get a land line number, check the area code corresponds with the address, use protected Paypal, collect the item if possible...Members can protect themselves if they use the guidelines set out. This list is simply to encourage amicable dispute settlement, or to avoid transactions getting to crisis point in the first place.



if av forums can do it then you could :? you don't need to store personal info ...... you put the info that the guilty part gave when doing the deal :roll:

i know someone is gonna go on about personal information etc but they are scamming / theft / deception so shove their rights :lol:

av forums only store the info given by the affected party .... they are also much more involved in the classifieds section but this sort of thing will deter repeat offenders and it gives people who have been scammed some info on where they are etc

Banned

depends where they stand on data protection ?

Damn, they're onto me . . . . . . . . .




Good idea - but without sounding like the preverbial stuck record, if the fs/ft rules and common sense are followed, its a pretty safe place to trade.


EDIT. Fae - thanks again for the data cable buddy!!!! You be a star!!!

dog_cop;4400701

depends where they stand on data protection ?



why should a scammer get data protection ....... by publishing the data your helping people yes ???

if avforums have got away with having the database then why can't hukd ..... not like a scammer gonna complain to the cops :lol:

it would stop repeat offenders

This foils my future plan.

Great Work *clap*clap*

Banned

faevilangel;4400755

why should a scammer get data protection ....... by publishing the data … why should a scammer get data protection ....... by publishing the data your helping people yes ???if avforums have got away with having the database then why can't hukd ..... not like a scammer gonna complain to the cops :lol:it would stop repeat offenders




steady , I hate the thieves as much as you but data protection is such a hot spud.. but if some stuck to the rules we might not be at this juncture.. but the site has a responsibility to at least help out somewhere so at least this is a step in the right direction, even though its way over due

mbgringo;4400738

Damn, they're onto me . . . . . . . . .Good idea - but without sounding … Damn, they're onto me . . . . . . . . .Good idea - but without sounding like the preverbial stuck record, if the fs/ft rules and common sense are followed, its a pretty safe place to trade.



yup ..... i have never been scammed cos i follow rules & im cautious but not everyone is like me ...

keeping a "diary" of personal info of repeat offenders would stop them being able to keep doing it (unless they move home a lot?)

dog_cop;4400789

steady , I hate the thieves as much as you but data protection is such a … steady , I hate the thieves as much as you but data protection is such a hot spud.. but if some stuck to the rules we might not be at this juncture.. but the site has a responsibility to at least help out somewhere so at least this is a step in the right direction, even though its way over due



av forums has had theirs up for many years so it can't be that much of a "hot spud" .....

Banned

faevilangel;4400808

av forums has had theirs up for many years so it can't be that much of a … av forums has had theirs up for many years so it can't be that much of a "hot spud" .....


trust me it is where I work.. sharing of information can be a mare :x
but lets see how deals now sorts the issue out instead of sweeping it under the carpet or lino or rug

dog_cop;4400817

trust me it is where I work.. sharing of information can be a mare :xbut … trust me it is where I work.. sharing of information can be a mare :xbut lets see how deals now sorts the issue out instead of sweeping it under the carpet or lino or rug



this is long WAY overdue ....... its a step in the right direction imo

mbgringo;4400738

Damn, they're onto me . . . . . . . . .Good idea - but without sounding … Damn, they're onto me . . . . . . . . .Good idea - but without sounding like the preverbial stuck record, if the fs/ft rules and common sense are followed, its a pretty safe place to trade.



+1

I see the mob mentality is forming already. The thread is for unresolved trades, its not a list your scammer here and go on a witch hunt.

I for one wouldnt want my personal details openly posted solely on the basis of an "unresolved trade" whatever that means, how is that defined? how long do you wait before something is unresolved? e.g. if someone says post 2nd class without recorded then surely you'd have to wait the RM guideline time of several weeks before requesting the seller to be listed here, and even at that, its an unresolved trade....not always a scam.

The danger here is the same as saying it in person, and unless that which is said can be substantiated then you run the risk of someone running off to a solicitor screaming defamation and libelous blah blah blah.....and things like that could be the demise of a website in one fell swoop.

If its a scammer then pass the details to the police and let them deal with it through the normal channels. posting peoples details for the world to see can open a pandora's box.

My advice is to proceed this with extreme caution. :thumbsup:

i have reported a user hopefully shall see the name up there lol

Data protection is an akward one and the consequences of breaching it are almost outrageous in some cases lengthy jail sentences can be issued and huge fines. so people have to cover their backs with this sort of thing.

however i think that every user should have to add an e-mail address to their profile as that would help a lot with multiple ID's and persuing incomplete transactions

I'm happy that the mods are taking a step in the right direction. I also believe that the fs/ft rules and advice should be made clearer like it used to be. (Like Rayman used to post in every single fs thread!) There must be some sort of script to automatically add the rules and advice to the opening post in the fs/ft section?

I still refer to the old traders to avoid list ]here

Original Poster Admin

Thanks for all the comments guys, the difference is that this list is for members to say
"Hey, I'm about to deal with this guy but he still hasn't completed his deal with so-and-so.... do I really want to part with my money?"
Genuine members who want to be off the list will hopefully be encouraged to complete their trade.
Anyone who had no intention of sending an item won't be allowed to sell anything else on Hotukdeals.

We're not turning this into a witch hunt, it's another precautionary method to help members protect themselves.

A few of you have asked how long we'll wait before a member gets added to the list. We'll assess each case individually.. this is a work in progress at the moment so we'll need to see how it goes.

Good to see this back. Don't understand why it was removed during the change in the first place.

donnydude;4401192

I still refer to the old traders to avoid list ]here



I trust that those traders on the old list who are not permabanned will be amalgamated onto this new list?

Also, seeing as stickies don't exist now, a link to this page should be placed on the warning line:
"Stop! Do not start a trade before reading and following this guide: ]FS/FT trading advice and reading the ]FS/FT rules. ]Unresolved trade list"

Banned

what about jammylad then? and that other one thats been well up the feedback board for some time

Syzable;4402449

Good to see this back. Don't understand why it was removed during the … Good to see this back. Don't understand why it was removed during the change in the first place.



Exactly. :x

jah128;4402865

I trust that those traders on the old list who are not permabanned will … I trust that those traders on the old list who are not permabanned will be amalgamated onto this new list?



Good point :thumbsup:

A step in the right direction although it can't stop the ones that choose not to bother to read or implement the rules.

I'd like to see a checkbox for each individual post on the FS/FT so that nobody can post before they agree to abide by and implement the FS/FT rules.
That way there is no leeway, break the rules and your severely punished and banned if a repeat offender.

Just my opinion of course.:)

Original Poster Admin

vibeone;4402940

what about jammylad then? and that other one thats been well up the … what about jammylad then? and that other one thats been well up the feedback board for some time



We're aware of several members who are currently in unresolved trades.
I'm going to post the link to the unresolved trades thread in those posts in feedback so those affected can get in touch. We can then get a clear picture of what's happened and what needs to be done.

Banned

Sounds good.

I'm not sure people should be taken off the list though.... its fine if someone does eventually sort things out, but how about a 2 stage process.... the list itself, which they are removed from when a trade is satisfied, and a secondary list that they remain on for 6 months or so? The second list does not stop them trading, but is merely a reminder to both them, and other parties?

I just think removing them off the list immediately means they could, for example, take ages to send something out every time, and it wont matter, as once it arrives, they will be removed immediately?

i agree with vibeone, make a secondary list but 2/3 months not 6, thats still a deterrant.

vibeone;4404135

I just think removing them off the list immediately means they could, for … I just think removing them off the list immediately means they could, for example, take ages to send something out every time, and it wont matter, as once it arrives, they will be removed immediately?



Surely that's where nice, honest feedback comes in though? Although the threat of retaliatory feedback proabably stops this happening...

Banned

Flodd;4405197

Surely that's where nice, honest feedback comes in though? Although the … Surely that's where nice, honest feedback comes in though? Although the threat of retaliatory feedback proabably stops this happening...


You posted my retort in your own post! Thats exactly what I was gonna say, although obviously, in an ideal world, you'd be completely correct.

I'm aware of the issues relating to the displaying of personal details but I think it would be extremely beneficial if a member was banned for an obvious scam that their payment email address was displayed with their username. In many cases I have seen a scammer return using the same payment email. If the email address was with the usrname it could form a cross reference point when dealing on the board.

vibeone;4405855

You posted by retort in your own post! Thats exactly what I was gonna … You posted by retort in your own post! Thats exactly what I was gonna say, although obviously, in an ideal world, you'd be completely correct.



Hey, what's the world coming to if you can't point out the flaw in your own arguements! :thumbsup:

1st dispute now added to the list in the other thread............and...............the person with the problem hasn't even left a negative. :roll:

Regardless of weather proved scammer or not, this site cannot give out any of thier personal details. Simple.

As much as we would all like to go round their house and sort em out, this is the reason why, and if it did happen then this site would be shut down quicker than you can say "hotUKdeals"!

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