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its been happening for years, not much you can do as every member has their say

How something 'should' happen and how something 'does' happen are two different things.

the voting system is nothing more than a fun piece of site functionality for the user to interact with, it has absolutely no relation to whether the deal is a good, bad or indifferent 'Deal'....hot or not.

There is no problem to solve here other than to communicate to the users the simple purpose of having the ability to vote hot or cold....and that is to allow the user to interact with the site.

StevenA2000_uk;8949327

the voting system is nothing more than a fun piece of site functionality … the voting system is nothing more than a fun piece of site functionality for the user to interact with, it has absolutely no relation to whether the deal is a good, bad or indifferent 'Deal'....hot or not.



I think its more than a bit of fun - the temp voting is an important part of Hot Deals to highlight the best deals. Mods will infract (well they used to) if someone consistantly votes cold for no good reason. Sure some fanboys (blu ray & HD springs to mind) may innitially influence the temp of a deal but the shear number of others means that good deals will always be voted hot no matter what the fan boys do.....

gari189;8950075

I think its more than a bit of fun - the temp voting is an important … I think its more than a bit of fun - the temp voting is an important part of Hot Deals to highlight the best deals. Mods will infract (well they used to) if someone consistantly votes cold for no good reason. Sure some fanboys (blu ray & HD springs to mind) may innitially influence the temp of a deal but the shear number of others means that good deals will always be voted hot no matter what the fan boys do.....



couldnt disagree more. are you saying that 'Hot' deals are the best deals?....

Reasons why users vote 'Hot' or 'Cold' is subjective unless everybody gives a meaningful and honest reason along with their vote. without this the temperature is meaningless therefore serves no purpose other than a fun part of interacting with the site. Even if people did supply a meaningful reason, it only provides a guide on the views of those replies and how those people see that 'Deal' as being 'hot' or 'cold' in their own opinion. it is not representative of everybodys views.

mods infracting for behaviour that users have towards that functionality is entirely different and in no way related to the OPs point. Example, if 100 people vote cold and do not post their reason then that doesnt mean that the voting system has been abused, simply as their is no evidence to support that. What is interesting is the fact that you refer to the example of cold voting and mods infracting and mention nothing about the opposite when users vote hot without entering a valid reason for doing so. surely they should be infracted for that as it comes under the same definition of abusing the voting function.....however this is a moot point in the context of the OPs statement.

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I voted that deal cold 'cos even though it was a good price, the product was rubbish in my experience.
Have I done wrong?
No I haven't.

I would also vote any deal for an iPad cold ( If I could be bothered ) 'cos I personally think it is a complete waste of space for the money.
That is my perogative surely.

But surley if you dont like the product or think its rubbish voting cold is a good reason.
i would vote cold on somthing that kept breaking on me beacuse to me it would be rubbish and not worth buying and at any price isnt a deal if i dont like it, but i would also put a reason why i voted cold i think maybe if everyone gave reasons why they voted cold it would be better.

I vote on products that i know are a good price. If something is cheaper than it was previously or elsewhere then i consider it 'hot'.

However from time to time i dont know much about a specific product, and whether it is a good deal or not. On these occasions i dont vote.

Since my viewpoint seemed to be in the minority in a recent deal thread ("]Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!", in majority from page #]4 onwards) & continued discussed in the "]Killzone 2 PS3 £11.98 Delivered @ Argos Clearance (eBay Outlet)" deal thread thereafter, I have chosen not to vote upon any more deals since then as I do not see the point if members all vote for different reasons, or consider "hot" or "cold" based on different criteria.

If each & every member (well, with the exception of robappleby89 [see above], r3tract, SamuraisShadow [I have just gained from seeing this thread], & myself) have differing views then the purpose of the temperature value is flawed &, in many cases, can be misleading.

At the very least the guidelines for the use of the site need, again, in my opinion, to be changed to indicate what constitutes a "hot" or "cold" (so-called) deal.

The wording is specifically ambiguous in the current form; maybe on purpose.

BFN,

fp.

fanpages;8954598

Since my viewpoint seemed to be in the minority in a recent deal thread … Since my viewpoint seemed to be in the minority in a recent deal thread ("]Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!", in majority from page #]4 onwards) & continued discussed in the "]Killzone 2 PS3 £11.98 Delivered @ Argos Clearance (eBay Outlet)" deal thread thereafter, I have chosen not to vote upon any more deals since then as I do not see the point if members all vote for different reasons, or consider "hot" or "cold" based on different criteria. If each & every member (well, with the exception of robappleby89 [see above], r3tract, SamuraisShadow [I have just gained from seeing this thread], & myself) have differing views then the purpose of the temperature value is flawed &, in many cases, can be misleading.At the very least the guidelines for the use of the site need, again, in my opinion, to be changed to indicate what constitutes a "hot" or "cold" (so-called) deal.The wording is specifically ambiguous in the current form; maybe on purpose.BFN,fp.





So you're saying that if I post up a telly for £5.00 less than it can be found anywhere else, everyone should vote it hot, even if this particular telly is known to break down every other day?
What would be the point of voting then.
You might just as well say "OK, it's the cheapest price, let's automatically make this deal 1000 degrees" and do away with any voting.
Seems pointless to me.

Banned

i look at it like if it is the best deal out their for said product then its a hot deal, if its crap then its wise to say why but i wouldnt vote it cold, half the books and dvds posted i think are crap but it doesnt mean they arent a hot deal

Jumpingphil;8954832

So you're saying that if I post up a telly for £5.00 less than it can be … So you're saying that if I post up a telly for £5.00 less than it can be found anywhere else, everyone should vote it hot, even if this particular telly is known to break down every other day?What would be the point of voting then.You might just as well say "OK, it's the cheapest price, let's automatically make this deal 1000 degrees" and do away with any voting.Seems pointless to me.



If the item is known to be faulty then the first few comments in every thread that referenced the product would be somebody (like you) posting that information.

Everybody reading the deal thread would then see this information & would vote accordingly (or would not vote at all).

BFN,

fp.

sassie;8954853

i look at it like if it is the best deal out their for said product then … i look at it like if it is the best deal out their for said product then its a hot deal, if its crap then its wise to say why but i wouldnt vote it cold, half the books and dvds posted i think are crap but it doesnt mean they arent a hot deal



Thanks sassie... I think I can add you to my list of members who vote the same way.

Unfortunately, not everybody follows that simple premise.

BFN,

fp.

Banned

Here's a classic example of people not understanding the idea behund voting,

hotukdeals.com/ite…lec

SO what are human rights:thinking:

flp14344;8958927

SO what are human rights:thinking:



The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights has 30 "Articles" none of which mention the voting at HotUKDeals.com:
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Article 1
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including their own, and to return to their country.

Article 14
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of their country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in their country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organisation and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realised.

Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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BFN,

fp.

lottysdad08;8958922

Here's a classic example of people not understanding the idea behund … Here's a classic example of people not understanding the idea behund voting,http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/707429/tommee-tippee-closer-to-nature-elec





Exactly, it might be the cheapest price out there, but if the product is rubbish, why on earth should it get voted hot?

Banned

lottysdad08;8958922

Here's a classic example of people not understanding the idea behund … Here's a classic example of people not understanding the idea behund voting,http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/707429/tommee-tippee-closer-to-nature-elec



didnt you make a daft thread about that particular thread:roll:

there will always be people who vote your deals col, for no reason whatsoever other than youve had an argument with them previously or theyve said theyve voted your deal cold before so retaliation votes etc

doesnt really mean anything the system can never be 100% but generally if its a good deal it will end up in some heat

dont take it so seriously, its only a bit of fun on a website:thumbsup:

Banned

casparwhite;8960207

didnt you make a daft thread about that particular thread:roll:there will … didnt you make a daft thread about that particular thread:roll:there will always be people who vote your deals col, for no reason whatsoever other than youve had an argument with them previously or theyve said theyve voted your deal cold before so retaliation votes etcdoesnt really mean anything the system can never be 100% but generally if its a good deal it will end up in some heatdont take it so seriously, its only a bit of fun on a website:thumbsup:



This although I think one of the funniest and unjust colds I have seen for a while was today on here.......

hotukdeals.com/ite…s-f

It did make me laugh out loud, poor op!

if i find something on the site really cheap and i know from experience its not worth it I will vote cold. I bought final destination 3d couple weeks ago and I will vote it cold even at 99p

fanpages

Since my viewpoint seemed to be in the minority in a recent deal thread … Since my viewpoint seemed to be in the minority in a recent deal thread ("Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!", in majority from page #4 onwards) & continued discussed in the "Killzone 2 PS3 £11.98 Delivered @ Argos Clearance (eBay Outlet)" deal thread thereafter, I have chosen not to vote upon any more deals since then as I do not see the point if members all vote for different reasons, or consider "hot" or "cold" based on different criteria. If each & every member (well, with the exception of robappleby89 [see above], r3tract, SamuraisShadow [I have just gained from seeing this thread], & myself) have differing views then the purpose of the temperature value is flawed &, in many cases, can be misleading.At the very least the guidelines for the use of the site need, again, in my opinion, to be changed to indicate what constitutes a "hot" or "cold" (so-called) deal.The wording is specifically ambiguous in the current form; maybe on purpose.BFN,fp.



I think you've hit the nail on the head when you've said it's puposefuly ambiguous, but at the end of the day does it really matter? There are many reasons why people press the button, and ultimately that's their prerogative. If a deal is useful enough to be made hot, then it will be through the voting system. Likewise if it's a crap deal, it'll come to prominence with people discussing why it's crap.

As regards your attention seeking announcement that you've chosen to abstain from pressing a button on a website because other people aside from your merry band of followers disagree with your ideas, words fail me. There's more important things in life to get worked up about.

Bossworld

...As regards your attention seeking announcement that you've chosen to … ...As regards your attention seeking announcement that you've chosen to abstain from pressing a button on a website because other people aside from your merry band of followers disagree with your ideas, words fail me. There's more important things in life to get worked up about.



I was not seeking to gain anybody's attention, but thank you for noticing nonetheless.

I agree with you that there are many, many higher priorities in life. I would prefer to get on with those (too). Being able to understand what a "hot deal" means would help me do that.

I see the wording has changed again in the recent site re-design:

[ hotukdeals.com/help ]
How Voting Works

The HUKD temperature gauge (the little red and blue arrow next to each … The HUKD temperature gauge (the little red and blue arrow next to each deal) is used by members to show their opinion on the deals, competitions, vouchers and freebies on HUKD. Members vote "hot" for those offers that seem pretty special. Enough hot votes and the deal will go front page.Deals which don't quite hit the mark tend to be voted cold - remember if you're voting a deal cold, it's in the interest of the community to leave a constructive comment within the thread.If you're a new member, you may notice that the temperature only changes by a very small amount when you vote - this is completely normal and the amount will increase once you've become an established member of the site.Posting hot deals yourself has the biggest impact on your vote power, and helping out other members will also give you a boost. So vote fairly, be constructive and helpful and by doing so, you'll establish yourself as an important part of our community.



Deal Types

Hot DealsA “Hot” deal is a deal that’s been voted hot by a lot of members … Hot DealsA “Hot” deal is a deal that’s been voted hot by a lot of members who agree it’s a really good deal.



BFN,

fp.

mod

Abuse of the voting system, reputation, expiry and spam buttons will … Abuse of the voting system, reputation, expiry and spam buttons will lead to a ban from the forums


If you vote cold, please be courteous to the original poster and provide them with a reason as to why you have done so
Serial cold voters are warned and if they persist then we have the option to block that members voting/expiring ability
Yes, some members think it's fair game to hit cold on (for example) a CD or DVD they don't like (irrelevant of the price) but if they do this too frequently then action is taken

Thanks andywedge.

It is difficult for a member trying to abide by the rules (as they understand them) to alert you to 'serial cold voters' if they do not leave a comment though.

Do you keep & review statistics on every deal regarding how members have voted?

BFN,

fp.

Banned

Surely a deals heat is directly related to how much people like it for whatever reason. Personally I think the hot / cold thing puts people off posting more niche specialist products in favour of stuff that will always get good heat, IE a new release DVD or video game. Remember popular doesnt always mean better. Just look at the current music charts. When I browse new deals I hardly even notice the heat until I find something of interest and click on the deal. People put too much importance on heat, Just make up your own mind.
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