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How many times someone says the same thing on here it'll never change

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How many times someone says the same thing on here it'll never change



Oh.... damn

Spammed. Repost.

Bugeyed: We were discussing this very topic just a few hours ago...

[ hotukdeals.com/mis…467 ]

My Hobby Horse too , whilst I accept it would be impractical to expect members to leave a comment for every vote ,surely it would be practicable to block votes after say 10 without a comment ,then unblock for another 10 after a comment is left .

rogparki

My Hobby Horse too , whilst I accept it would be impractical to expect … My Hobby Horse too , whilst I accept it would be impractical to expect members to leave a comment for every vote ,surely it would be practicable to block votes after say 10 without a comment ,then unblock for another 10 after a comment is left .



Prompt: "Enter reason for voting cold"
Text entered: "To allow me to vote cold another ten times"

Bugeyed

It is quite obvious that there are members who vote (especially vote … It is quite obvious that there are members who vote (especially vote cold) immediately after a deal is posted without ever leaving comments. Voting cold constantly is not helpful. It would be good to see voting either requiring some form of comment or at least have a system where if a member does nothing but vote new deals cold constantly, that their ability to vote be reviewed. Voting should be varied by every member depending on whether the deal is good or not and shouldn't be used just to be negative to every deal.



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Does no-one ever use the search function?

ceres

{{{{{Yawn}}}}}Does no-one ever use the search function?


No.

Shengis

No.



Clearly. Or the forum wouldn't be cluttered with tedious dross like this.

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Easy fix. No cold voting. Hot only. People can't then spite vote or vote because they can't afford another game console or PC, don't like the DRM and so on. The hottest deals are the deals with the most votes not the deals with the least idiots voting

jaystan

Easy fix. No cold voting. Hot only. People can't then spite vote or vote … Easy fix. No cold voting. Hot only. People can't then spite vote or vote because they can't afford another game console or PC, don't like the DRM and so on. The hottest deals are the deals with the most votes not the deals with the least idiots voting



What temperature would you (then) set the threshold for a ("Deals", "Freebies", "Vouchers", or "Competitions") thread to become "hot"?

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What temperature would you (then) set the threshold for a ("Deals", … What temperature would you (then) set the threshold for a ("Deals", "Freebies", "Vouchers", or "Competitions") thread to become "hot"?



That would be for the mods to sort out as i don't know the average heat each members give. As far as i am aware there are different amounts of heat, is that right ? Work out an average and what should be considered a deal with enough votes to be hot.

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Prompt: "Enter reason for voting cold"Text entered: "To allow me to vote … Prompt: "Enter reason for voting cold"Text entered: "To allow me to vote cold another ten times"


Would slow them down a bit ,and demonstrate to them (and hot voters too), how stupid serial Hot or cold voting is .(_;) Well it might work with some .
Edited by: "rogparki" 7th Jul 2014

jaystan

...what should be considered a deal with enough votes to be hot.



The members determine what is a "Hot Deal" by voting hot or cold.

If voting only goes one way, then there will not be a natural voting level as you are immediately setting a favoured bias in one direction.

Yes, you could argue that the absence of voting is similar to voting against a hot trend, but presently the absence of a vote is already an available option.

Here's a tip:

Just ignore the temperature of a listing.

Concentrate on what other elements of the thread are important to you; the actual subject matter (the goods or service), the merchant, price, cashback or other incentive, or any other subjective factors should be a concern; not the opinion of somebody that cannot be bothered to leave a comment

Read any & all comments lodged.
Disregard the opinion (the voting) of those that do not leave a comment.

It is your money you are spending, not anybody else's. They really don't care if you waste it. You have to live with the consequences of your own actions.

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The members determine what is a "Hot Deal" by voting hot or cold.If … The members determine what is a "Hot Deal" by voting hot or cold.If voting only goes one way, then there will not be a natural voting level as you are immediately setting a favoured bias in one direction.Yes, you could argue that the absence of voting is similar to voting against a hot trend, but presently the absence of a vote is already an available option.Here's a tip:Just ignore the temperature of a listing.Concentrate on what other elements of the thread are important to you; the actual subject matter (the goods or service), the merchant, price, cashback or other incentive, or any other subjective factors should be a concern; not the opinion of somebody that cannot be bothered to leave a commentRead any & all comments lodged.Disregard the opinion (the voting) of those that do not leave a comment.It is your money you are spending, not anybody else's. They really don't care if you waste it. You have to live with the consequences of your own actions.


You fail to acknowledge one vital point - if the deal does not exceed 100 heat it will permanently languish in the also ran mire unlikely to be noticed by most. I agree with your other points , I always thoroughly read through a deal that interests me and wish there were more comments ,both good and bad - a hot or cold vote tells me nothing without the comment .
I always check on Trip Advisor before booking a Holiday - That would be a really useful site - NOT ! - if hotels were just voted Hot or Cold with very few willing to comment and share their knowledge .

rogparki

You fail to acknowledge one vital point - if the deal does not exceed 100 … You fail to acknowledge one vital point - if the deal does not exceed 100 heat it will permanently languish in the also ran mire unlikely to be noticed by most...



No, I didn't.

That is why I asked jaystan at what temperature should a "Deals" listing be considered "hot".

A lot of people who vote cold DO comment though. I do, it winds the OP up no end I find X)

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The members determine what is a "Hot Deal" by voting hot or cold.If … The members determine what is a "Hot Deal" by voting hot or cold.If voting only goes one way, then there will not be a natural voting level as you are immediately setting a favoured bias in one direction.Yes, you could argue that the absence of voting is similar to voting against a hot trend, but presently the absence of a vote is already an available option.Here's a tip:Just ignore the temperature of a listing.Concentrate on what other elements of the thread are important to you; the actual subject matter (the goods or service), the merchant, price, cashback or other incentive, or any other subjective factors should be a concern; not the opinion of somebody that cannot be bothered to leave a commentRead any & all comments lodged.Disregard the opinion (the voting) of those that do not leave a comment.It is your money you are spending, not anybody else's. They really don't care if you waste it. You have to live with the consequences of your own actions.



I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do. People abuse the cold voting. Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter. Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.

Maybe we could stick with 100 ,but a deal would only appear on the "Hot" page if it reached 100 - and had 10 comments or more ? That would also keep competitions from clogging the site if you select "all " which I like to do to view requests ,advice etc .

rogparki

That would also keep competitions from clogging the site if you select … That would also keep competitions from clogging the site if you select "all " which I like to do to view requests ,advice etc .



No, it wouldn't. If you want a forum tailor-mde to your own specification, set up your own.

jaystan

I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do...



If you asked me I would say I prefer to look at the [discussed] tab.

What quantity & cross-section of the membership have you asked to form that opinion?

jaystan

People abuse the cold voting.



They probably abuse voting; hot or cold.

jaystan

Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter.



Correct. "Heat" does not matter. That's the point.

The current voting system is flawed in any respect, given the fact that comparing one thread with another never compares the same number of voters (or the same set of voters) at any given point in time.

jaystan

Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so … Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.



All you are proving is that a certain number of people voted 'hot'.

If presented with only one option for voting, without knowing the number of times a thread was viewed & those that wanted to vote 'cold', but couldn't, you are only seeing a skewed total.

The same logic could be applied to the "Likes" a comment receives & the "Top Comments" feature on the first page of a thread.

Without knowing how many people disagree with a comment, or how many people have read the comment & have not "Liked" it, you don't see a true & complete picture of the consensus of opinion of everybody.

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No, I didn't.That is why I asked jaystan at what temperature should a … No, I didn't.That is why I asked jaystan at what temperature should a "Deals" listing be considered "hot".


I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically what is a good deal , and I do mean theoretically . Last Laptop deal I posted went cold (as per normal ) with no comments (again as per normal ) . Got above 100 hot a day or so later after attracting a few comments -then shot up to over 1000 with loads of comments - all of which were very useful to me and other potential buyers . In the end I decided against buying due not to the computer itself ,but due to the mixed opinions on windows 8/ 8.1 and possible difficulties in upgrading . Learnt a lot from that post ,if folks had just voted hot or cold -would have learnt diddly squat !

rogparki

I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically … I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically what is a good deal , and I do mean theoretically . Last Laptop deal I posted went cold (as per normal ) with no comments (again as per normal ) . Got above 100 hot a day or so later after attracting a few comments -then shot up to over 1000 with loads of comments - all of which were very useful to me and other potential buyers . In the end I decided against buying due not to the computer itself ,but due to the mixed opinions on windows 8/ 8.1 and possible difficulties in upgrading . Learnt a lot from that post ,if folks had just voted hot or cold -would have learnt diddly squat !



You could always create a "Misc" thread (that will probably then be moved to the "Ask" Forum) but just ignore the animated GIFs & non-helpful responses.

("Your comment has been submitted, but has been added to the moderation queue for review. It will be viewable once approved")

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jaystan

I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do...

jaystan

People abuse the cold voting.

jaystan

Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter.

jaystan

Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so … Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.



I don't think you get the point. A lack of cold voting would not matter. It stops people voting for the most inane reasons. Removing bias. Amount of people viewing a deal doesn't matter. If people view a deal they are more interested in it hence it may get more hot votes. In the end the deal with the most hot votes is much better system than a deal with the least inane cold votes.

With your logic on viewing deals the "point" is a change for the better should not affect your viewing either way.

Hot voting is a harder to be abused.

I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly and seeing the pattern and speed the heat goes up once reaching 100 degrees.



jaystan

I don't think you get the point...



A member that "abuses" their voting power by down-voting products/brands/manufacturers/etc. they dislike may well up-vote those related to the competiitors.

However, the voting is subjective.

Voting "up" or "down" ("hot" or "cold") based on personal preferences is allowed.

You can even down-vote "Deals" listed by one member & up-vote "Deals" listed by another... just because of who they are, if you so wish.

jaystan

...I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly … ...I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly and seeing the pattern and speed the heat goes up once reaching 100 degrees.



That could be "lemming voting" though:

[ hotukdeals.com/fee…615 ]

fanpages

You could always create a "Misc" thread (that will probably then be moved … You could always create a "Misc" thread (that will probably then be moved to the "Ask" Forum) but just ignore the animated GIFs & non-helpful responses.


My limit is links Cant even get a screenshot onto here ,let alone images.

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jaystan

I don't think you get the point...

jaystan

...I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly … ...I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly and seeing the pattern and speed the heat goes up once reaching 100 degrees.



Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is better then......see what I mean ?

Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who the person is. If that is enforced is debatable though.

rogparki

I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically … I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically what is a good deal , and I do mean theoretically . Last Laptop deal I posted went cold (as per normal ) with no comments (again as per normal ) . Got above 100 hot a day or so later after attracting a few comments -then shot up to over 1000 with loads of comments - all of which were very useful to me and other potential buyers . In the end I decided against buying due not to the computer itself ,but due to the mixed opinions on windows 8/ 8.1 and possible difficulties in upgrading . Learnt a lot from that post ,if folks had just voted hot or cold -would have learnt diddly squat !

jaystan

I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do...

jaystan

People abuse the cold voting.

jaystan

Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter.

jaystan

Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so … Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.


My limit is links Cant even get a screenshot onto here ,let alone images.
jaystan

fanpages If you asked me I would say I prefer to look at the [discussed] … fanpages If you asked me I would say I prefer to look at the [discussed] tab.What quantity & cross-section of the membership have you asked to form that opinion?They probably abuse voting; hot or cold.Correct. "Heat" does not matter. That's the point.The current voting system is flawed in any respect, given the fact that comparing one thread with another never compares the same number of voters (or the same set of voters) at any given point in time.All you are proving is that a certain number of people voted 'hot'.If presented with only one option for voting, without knowing the number of times a thread was viewed & those that wanted to vote 'cold', but couldn't, you are only seeing a skewed total.The same logic could be applied to the "Likes" a comment receives & the "Top Comments" feature on the first page of a thread.Without knowing how many people disagree with a comment, or how many people have read the comment & have not "Liked" it, you don't see a true & complete picture of the consensus of opinion of everybody.I don't think you get the point. A lack of cold voting would not matter. It stops people voting for the most inane reasons. Removing bias. Amount of people viewing a deal doesn't matter. If people view a deal they are more interested in it hence it may get more hot votes. In the end the deal with the most hot votes is much better system than a deal with the least inane cold votes.With your logic on viewing deals the "point" is a change for the better should not affect your viewing either way.Hot voting is a harder to be abused.I have formed the opinion on hot deals by using the site constantly and seeing the pattern and speed the heat goes up once reaching 100 degrees.


Whilst agreeing with the gist of your comments - does this site need deals rated by "Heat" or lack of it ? Simply list a deal and await comments on it - No Hot or cold or Lemming voting -just Deals and comments - The most popular or unpopular deals would stand out by the amount of comments so the Cold Voting problem would be history

jaystan

Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is … Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is better then......see what I mean ?



No. Either both sides of the voting spectrum should be allowed, or none at all. That is fair.

jaystan

Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who the … Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who the person is. If that is enforced is debatable though.



Good luck pointing to a definitive list of what criteria the voting system is based upon.

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jaystan

Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is … Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is better then......see what I mean ?

jaystan

Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who … Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who the person is. If that is enforced is debatable though.



In an ideal world the voting would be fair. With HUKD members it is far from it and run on a bias. Just having hot votes and deals with the most hot votes is the fairest system there is. The current one is abused too much and the removal of the cold votes would make the abuse less possible. We can agree to disagree though because let's face it its unlikely anything will be changed

jaystan

Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is … Up voting the competitor without being able to down vote the other is better then......see what I mean ?

jaystan

Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who … Apparently according to HUKD rules you can not down vote based on who the person is. If that is enforced is debatable though.


So we're all agreed then -Bin Hot or Cold voting -Rate on amount of comments A very good deal will have a lot of comments and rise to prominence , as will a very poor deal . So so deals (1poff a packet of cornflakes or Wolfenstein 1p cheaper for the 300th time ) will still be there but the lack of comments will rightly reflect that it isn't a great deal . Would be a bad day for those who inanely click away hot or cold depending on their mood or following the herd but would make a better site .

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rogparki

I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically … I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically what is a good deal , and I do mean theoretically . Last Laptop deal I posted went cold (as per normal ) with no comments (again as per normal ) . Got above 100 hot a day or so later after attracting a few comments -then shot up to over 1000 with loads of comments - all of which were very useful to me and other potential buyers . In the end I decided against buying due not to the computer itself ,but due to the mixed opinions on windows 8/ 8.1 and possible difficulties in upgrading . Learnt a lot from that post ,if folks had just voted hot or cold -would have learnt diddly squat !

jaystan

I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do...

jaystan

People abuse the cold voting.

jaystan

Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter.

jaystan

Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so … Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.



I am all for any system that gets rid of people's chance to throw in negative votes. There would need a name change to Most Commented UK Deals though

Does a "Deals" thread with 80 comments indicate a popular item?

[ hotukdeals.com/dea…610 ]

jaystan

I am all for any system that gets rid of people's chance to throw in … I am all for any system that gets rid of people's chance to throw in negative votes. There would need a name change to Most Commented UK Deals though


The site might be taken seriously then oO . Not as a toy that can be played with and eventually broken and chucked in the bin (_;)

rogparki

I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically … I'm not very computer savvy but I do know the specs ,so theoretically what is a good deal , and I do mean theoretically . Last Laptop deal I posted went cold (as per normal ) with no comments (again as per normal ) . Got above 100 hot a day or so later after attracting a few comments -then shot up to over 1000 with loads of comments - all of which were very useful to me and other potential buyers . In the end I decided against buying due not to the computer itself ,but due to the mixed opinions on windows 8/ 8.1 and possible difficulties in upgrading . Learnt a lot from that post ,if folks had just voted hot or cold -would have learnt diddly squat !

jaystan

I do not only look at hot deals. Plenty of people do...

jaystan

People abuse the cold voting.

jaystan

Using your own logic in searching through deals heat would not matter.

jaystan

Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest … Like I said the deals with the most votes would also be the hottest so the deals would still be able to be differentiated with zero bias rather than the idiotic voting that happens presently that sure does contain bias.

fanpages

Does a "Deals" thread with 80 comments indicate a popular item?[ … Does a "Deals" thread with 80 comments indicate a popular item?[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/jedward-story-1-poundland-1107610 ]


The site might be taken seriously then oO . Not as a toy that can be played with and eventually broken and chucked in the bin (_;)

The exception always proves the rule - Anyway whats wrong with Jedward and Cornettos
Edited by: "rogparki" 8th Jul 2014

fanpages

Does a "Deals" thread with 80 comments indicate a popular item?[ … Does a "Deals" thread with 80 comments indicate a popular item?[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/jedward-story-1-poundland-1107610 ]

rogparki

The exception always proves the rule - Anyway whats wrong with Jedward … The exception always proves the rule - Anyway whats wrong with Jedward and Cornettos



Yes, unfortunately it does prove the suggestion isn't a viable alternate approach.

Here are some more examples:

[ hotukdeals.com/dea…538 ]
[ hotukdeals.com/dea…074 ]
[ hotukdeals.com/dea…766 ]

rogparki

You fail to acknowledge one vital point - if the deal does not exceed … You fail to acknowledge one vital point - if the deal does not exceed 100 heat it will permanently languish in the also ran mire unlikely to be noticed by most.

It'll only be unlikely to be noticed by those who choose not to notice it by browsing only the Hot deals rather than All deals.

If you have the time and inclination to sift through every deal that gets posted then you will find more good deals than somebody who only wants to skim through the most popular deals on their tea break, at the expense of a poorer signal to noise ratio. This way the site caters for both casual and obsessive users.

Original Poster

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Bugeyed: We were discussing this very topic just a few hours ago...[ … Bugeyed: We were discussing this very topic just a few hours ago...[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/hukd-mods-losing-1946880?p=22235467 ]



Sorry mate, the discussion on your thread went here in comments but obviously from the title alone I didn't see that. Still some interesting further comments on here and overall I hope one day that HUKD read some of these and take some of the better suggestions on board to improve the site and experience for all of us

No need to apologise.

I thought it could have been easily missed; hence why I pointed you to it.

As mentioned above though, the subject has been discussed many times before today &, from previous comments, unless Admin changes his opinion, the method of voting will probably stay unchanged until the site comes to a natural close.
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