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Don't think HUKD control eBay listings.

It's not illegal it is just against the T&Cs which is different. I have been using them for years and have never had any problems. My most recent been

hotukdeals.com/dea…228

I think we all know it is not 100% legit but if it beats the 'activate windows' box on my screen from torrents, then £10 is worth the price in my opinion

A legit? site like 365Games want £190 for it so as this is a deal site I don't see the harm?

AndyRoyd

Don't think HUKD control eBay listings.


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AndyRoyd

Don't think HUKD control eBay listings.


HUKD are quick enough to take some other eBay listings down as posted deals.
Edited by: "Ashe" 1st Feb

1lluminati

Don't think HUKD control eBay listings.

Ashe

HUKD are quick enough to take some other eBay listings down as posted … HUKD are quick enough to take some other eBay listings down as posted deals.



I think you misunderstand my post. HUKD has no control over what an ebay member lists for sale.

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AndyRoyd

Don't think HUKD control eBay listings.



They have control over which eBay listings are shared on HotUKDeals

AndyRoyd

I think you misunderstand my post. HUKD has no control over what an ebay … I think you misunderstand my post. HUKD has no control over what an ebay member lists for sale.

I'm pretty sure this topic is meant about HUKD allowing them to be listed on HUKD without removal, not about asking HUKD to remove eBay listings from eBay.

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oUkTuRkEyIII

It's not illegal it is just against the T&Cs which is different. I have … It's not illegal it is just against the T&Cs which is different. I have been using them for years and have never had any problems. My most recent been http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/microsoft-windows-7-pro-8-40-windows-8-1-pro-8-69-windows-10-pro-9-56-opium-pulses-2436228I think we all know it is not 100% legit but if it beats the 'activate windows' box on my screen from torrents, then £10 is worth the price in my opinionA legit? site like 365Games want £190 for it so as this is a deal site I don't see the harm?



If you know it's not 100% legit, why bother paying at all. Just use an activator/keygen and get it for free..

oUkTuRkEyIII

I think we all know it is not 100% legit but if it beats the 'activate … I think we all know it is not 100% legit but if it beats the 'activate windows' box on my screen from torrents, then £10 is worth the price in my opinion


I do perfectly understand that view, and I imagine many people just want something that activates, not worrying about breaking the terms of the licenses. It's just the whole 'wilful ignorance' of some who claim everything to be completely above board, repeatedly point to court cases that have nothing to do with this licensing scenario, and completely ignore when they're corrected.

Isn't HUKD placing itself in a rather precarious position?

I'm all for a good deal and love the site, but recognise that HUKD are effectively sanctioning the deal and giving weight to its authenticity by way of featuring a 'hot' deal.

Microsoft are not toothless, HUKD continues to gain influence and is growing - some might see advertised deals as reputable because they're allowed and stay active on the site.

Then there's the profit from links, is it ethical or even legal to profit from illegal key sales? It's one thing for a person to buy them, quite another for a business to prominently list the item, let thousands know about it and profit?

Just seems a bit silly for HUKD to be taking such risk.

oUkTuRkEyIII

It's not illegal it is just against the T&Cs which is different. I have … It's not illegal it is just against the T&Cs which is different. I have been using them for years and have never had any problems. My most recent been http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/microsoft-windows-7-pro-8-40-windows-8-1-pro-8-69-windows-10-pro-9-56-opium-pulses-2436228I think we all know it is not 100% legit but if it beats the 'activate windows' box on my screen from torrents, then £10 is worth the price in my opinionA legit? site like 365Games want £190 for it so as this is a deal site I don't see the harm?


As above, I understand why people use these, but as a poster, if you accept it's breaking the terms, can I ask if you'd be happy to post unauthorised serials for software as freebies? Same thing, just not paying an eBay seller.

There's an Office 2000 MSDN key out there, it's the same for every company, do you fancy posting that as a deal? Same type of key as in these auctions, after all...

Edited by: "Ashe" 1st Feb

The eu ruled that reselling software licences to reuse is perfectly legal.

Kdl

The eu ruled that reselling software licences to reuse is perfectly legal.


Maybe, except that's nothing to do with it. The licensing stops people from transferring it even between their own machines, let alone someone elses. But of course this 'point' gets raised in every thread, but people believe and repeat what they want to believe.
Edited by: "Ashe" 1st Feb

Kdl

The eu ruled that reselling software licences to reuse is perfectly legal.


They could be using the keys for testing purposes

Where do you stop? Just Microsoft keys? Greymarket game serial sellers such as CDkeys etc?

Is breaking the t&c's the same as theft? Nope. Is it illegal? Nope.

Have Microsoft come up with another method of licensing to combat it. Nope.

I don't see why anyone actually gives a damn.

You don't stick to thirty in your car, you send photos of your genitalia to people of the opposite sex, you lied about your age to join facebook.

But you are worried about a company that makes billions having its t&c's exploited. Fml.

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FOAD

Is breaking the t&c's the same as theft? Nope. Is it illegal? Nope. Have … Is breaking the t&c's the same as theft? Nope. Is it illegal? Nope. Have Microsoft come up with another method of licensing to combat it. Nope. I don't see why anyone actually gives a damn. You don't stick to thirty in your car, you send photos of your genitalia to people of the opposite sex, you lied about your age to join facebook. But you are worried about a company that makes billions having its t&c's exploited. Fml.



So why not use an illegal keygen/activator? Why pay money at all when 0 goes back to MS either way?

using a keygen/hacker would be theft. Paying peanuts to acquire a licence that is sold in breach of t&c's is not in my opinion.
Edited by: "FOAD" 2nd Feb

FOAD

using a keygen/hacker would be theft. Paying peanuts to acquire a licence … using a keygen/hacker would be theft. Paying peanuts to acquire a licence that is sold in breach of t&c's is not in my opinion.


This seems quite pertinent.

Morally you can decide. Legality wise it's analogous to streaming content to 'kodi sticks', you're not falling foul of the law when doing so, but you know full well it's not legitimate content.

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FOAD

using a keygen/hacker would be theft. Paying peanuts to acquire a licence … using a keygen/hacker would be theft. Paying peanuts to acquire a licence that is sold in breach of t&c's is not in my opinion.



Microsoft still get the same amount of money. £0

Microsoft got the money the first time. The fact that they don't the second time round is whose fault?
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