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Banned

RTFM! No worries then.

Original Poster

csiman;6581399

RTFM! No worries then.



Just thought suspension was a little harsh for not "RTFM" that's all :? And it penalises me as a potential buyer (when I have done no wrong) - although I'm sure ASB could think of something :thumbsup:

Is it the 1st time he's broke any rules?

Not sure how you've been "penalised".

Original Poster

thesaint;6581432

Is it the 1st time he's broke any rules?



Dunno, but why not expire his old threads and move on? What is the mod agenda with suspending and banning good people??

Not sure how you've been "penalised".



I'm looking to buy Bionic Commando, he (potentially) is the chepest price in the uk for BNIP

When does his ban run out?? Might just get it from Play for a tenner

Sloth/Mod

The rules aren't hard to follow.

If they aren't enforced then it'd be a free for all.

Johnboy_1975;6581439

Dunno, but why not expire his old threads and move on? What is the mod … Dunno, but why not expire his old threads and move on? What is the mod agenda with suspending and banning good people??



Not speaking about this member in particular, but members should be following the rules set out, if they can't they should be punished, if it's not the 1st time, the punishments should escalate.

"Good" people recognise this and don't get punished.

Johnboy_1975;6581439

I'm looking to buy Bionic Commando, he (potentially) is the chepest price … I'm looking to buy Bionic Commando, he (potentially) is the chepest price in the uk for BNIPWhen does his ban run out?? Might just get it from Play for a tenner



So you weren't actually penalised.

Who knows when his ban runs out? Him, and the moderators.

Original Poster

guv;6581450

I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around … I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around who claim to be "helping" but just get some sort of pleasure from being vindictive. You've probably noticed this?



I've noticed it more and more over the last fortnight :?

Syzable;6581490

The rules aren't hard to follow.If they aren't enforced then it'd be a … The rules aren't hard to follow.If they aren't enforced then it'd be a free for all.



There are too many though,not to mention the changes/updates,not everyone reads them,myself included:whistling:

guv;6581450

I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around … I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around who claim to be "helping" but just get some sort of pleasure from being vindictive. You've probably noticed this?



The "reporters" aren't always who you'd expect them to be either,bit like the silent majority.

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581524

There are too many though,not to mention the changes/updates,not everyone … There are too many though,not to mention the changes/updates,not everyone reads them,myself included:whistling:



That's your/their fault then............only takes 2 mins to check.

I manage it fine

Syzable;6581543

That's your/their fault then............only takes 2 mins to check. :)I … That's your/their fault then............only takes 2 mins to check. :)I manage it fine



Everybody knows you're perfect though:roll:

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581554

Everybody knows you're perfect though:roll:



Not at all.........but i can't think of anything where you can use ignorance as a genuine excuse.

The majority use the FS without any problems but you tend to get the same people having problems and those that are new.

It's what people do though,don't read rules and amended rules and an amendment to an amendment that was amended a week last Thursday:roll:

People do NOT want to read the rules EVERY time they list something incase there's been another amendment to rule three thousand and thirty six at point two paragraph three.

I think the mods CAN be a little strict with "oversights"

Sloth/Mod

I disagree. :0

If people don't want to read rules and get punished.............how is that the fault of a mod?

And people don't get suspended for a first offence so a oversight would be ok..........but when they do it several times then how can they blame anyone but themselves?

Do users get emailed with updates to new/amended rules?

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581612

Do users get emailed with updates to new/amended rules?



No. Why?

The responsibility is with the people buying/selling. :?

Syzable;6581601

I disagree. :0If people don't want to read rules and get … I disagree. :0If people don't want to read rules and get punished.............how is that the fault of a mod?And people don't get suspended for a first offence so a oversight would be ok..........but when they do it several times then how can they blame anyone but themselves?



I've said it before,the only infraction i've ever received is for a post on FS forum when i made one post asking the OP of it how they were,a PM would have sufficed as i didn't realise it was classed as bumping and wasn't allowed.

Common sense should prevail,to bandy about infractions for oversights is OTT in my humble opinion.

Perhaps you ought to be the next canditate for mod status Sy:thumbsup:

Syzable;6581620

No. Why?The responsibility is with the people buying/selling. :?



I was thinking about Ebay for example,they mail you updates/changes:thumbsup: you don't have to read the rules EVERY time you put something up for sale.

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581635

I've said it before,the only infraction i've ever received is for a post … I've said it before,the only infraction i've ever received is for a post on FS forum when i made one post asking the OP of it how they were,a PM would have sufficed as i didn't realise it was classed as bumping and wasn't allowed.Common sense should prevail,to bandy about infractions for oversights is OTT in my humble opinion.Perhaps you ought to be the next canditate for mod status Sy:thumbsup:



So how was you having general chit chat a mods fault? You weren't suspended, you were infracted.

Because idle chit chat bumps genuine threads down which is unfair it's right that it shouldn't be allowed.

Because i follow the rules and don't see the point in attacking the mods for enforcing rules and doing their job i should be a mod candidate? :?

That comment alone shows why the mods have a hard time and people don't have the common sense to follow the rules.

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581637

I was thinking about Ebay for example,they mail you … I was thinking about Ebay for example,they mail you updates/changes:thumbsup: you don't have to read the rules EVERY time you put something up for sale.



But that's a paid for service...........this is free. And they pull hundreds of listings and ban hundreds every day.

Syzable;6581655

So how was you having general chit chat a mods fault? You weren't … So how was you having general chit chat a mods fault? You weren't suspended, you were infracted.Because idle chit chat bumps genuine threads down which is unfair it's right that it shouldn't be allowed.Because i follow the rules and don't see the point in attacking the mods for enforcing rules and doing their job i should be a mod candidate? :?That comment alone shows why the mods have a hard time and people don't have the common sense to follow the rules.



Sy,i've seen you have general chit chat on FS threads etc,you don't always adhere to the rules,anyway that's besides the point,aside from that i'm not having a go at Mods,i'm airing my opinion that they CAN be OTT sometimes,people do make mistakes,to err is human.

They don't always have to respond with an infraction for a first "offence"

This is going around in circles,we disagree,the end

Sloth/Mod

I never claimed i did...........it was you that stated i was perfect. I just don't moan if i get in trouble for it as i accept it's my responsibility.

Syzable;6581705

I never claimed i did...........it was you that stated i was perfect. I … I never claimed i did...........it was you that stated i was perfect. I just don't moan if i get in trouble for it as i accept it's my responsibility.



I was being sarcastic evidently,re perfect,you don't always adhere to the rules.

In one post you say you do and then admit you don't always:roll:

Arghhhhhhhhh

Sloth/Mod

I always follow the rules when selling something. :-D

Syzable;6581660

But that's a paid for service...........this is free. And they pull … But that's a paid for service...........this is free. And they pull hundreds of listings and ban hundreds every day.



Freecycle is free to join for example,they send me emails about changes to the rules,a free site can still send out emails about rule changes ya know:?

Syzable;6581761

I always follow the rules when selling something. :-D



Yeah coz you've never "chatted" on your own FS thread have you:roll:

What's wrong with the OP asking for them to be locked. It's not just expiring them you have to do. You have to ask the OP to be closed and not to list it till 7 days have passed from the lock. The mods sometimes don't punish if the OP hasn't locked it and its been a long time since they have posted before, seen this happen, so mod discretion is used. But the person in question had four open posts to the same item, and could lead the op to sell the items a lot easier yes which would be unfair to the rest of us who open one post and sell there. Not sure what the problem is with Mods making it a fair deal for the rest of us. The problem also with having lots of threads for the same items is bumping as mentioned and selling the items to possibly two people by mistake (not likely but possible).

It's not the Mods fault members don't read the rules, I personally check the end of the thread and one page back just incase a rule has been altered due to feedback elsewhere and I am fimilar with the other rules. If I break them which I have when I started selling her then it's clearly my fault and no one elses.

I don't think I have seen anyone punished yet for trying to sell vouchers, as I think the mods are giving them a while to get used to the rule or lack of reading. I have even seen a thread re-opened which was selling a voucher and changed to a trade without much whine.

Sloth/Mod

deb8z;6581797

Yeah coz you've never "chatted" on your own FS thread have you:roll:



If you see it report it. But they count as bumps and there are 3 of.

Syzable;6581813

If you see it report it. But they count as bumps and there are 3 of.



I'm not that petty to go around reporting left right and centre for things like that,at the end of the day you have a vested interest in the FS forum,i doubt you'd be such a Zealot if you didn't sell on there.

Anyway,i'm going O/T so i'll leave you to it.:thumbsup:

Sloth/Mod

I'm a Zealot :w00t:

Banned

Johnboy_1975;6581420

Just thought suspension was a little harsh for not "RTFM" that's all :? … Just thought suspension was a little harsh for not "RTFM" that's all :? And it penalises me as a potential buyer (when I have done no wrong) - although I'm sure ASB could think of something :thumbsup:



unleashing1;6577588

will [COLOR=DarkRed]bare[/COLOR] it in [COLOR=DarkRed]mid [/COLOR]let you … will [COLOR=DarkRed]bare[/COLOR] it in [COLOR=DarkRed]mid [/COLOR]let you [COLOR=DarkRed]no[/COLOR] by end of the [COLOR=DarkRed]nite[/COLOR]



I see four infractions above already :w00t:

However the following rule should have been adhered to, and as such, correctly infracted.

(8) Please use the 'report' button in the first post to update your … (8) Please use the 'report' button in the first post to update your thread once the item has been sold, trade completed or if the thread has been left open and dormant. Every thread MUST be expired and closed, this especially applies if re-listing items from it. Use the button to notify moderators of ANY changes. This includes and is YOUR responsibility to make sure we know your thread NEEDS to be expired and closed.

Original Poster

Adam2050;6581811

What's wrong with the OP asking for them to be locked. It's not just … What's wrong with the OP asking for them to be locked. It's not just expiring them you have to do. You have to ask the OP to be closed and not to list it till 7 days have passed from the lock. The mods sometimes don't punish if the OP hasn't locked it and its been a long time since they have posted before, seen this happen, so mod discretion is used. But the person in question had four open posts to the same item, and could lead the op to sell the items a lot easier yes which would be unfair to the rest of us who open one post and sell there. Not sure what the problem is with Mods making it a fair deal for the rest of us. The problem also with having lots of threads for the same items is bumping as mentioned and selling the items to possibly two people by mistake (not likely but possible).



I don't see how the previous 3 threads being open, shut, locked, open, expired or whatever have any bearing on "the rest of us". If he was bumping them all - fair enough.......If only I could understand how it is "unfair" on other sellers to have 3 inactive open threads as opposed to 3 inactive closed threads then maybe I would be able to agree with the suspension

mod discretion



Thats what I'm on about - lets have some :thumbsup: It must be easier for a mod to lock 3 topics cmpared to locking 4 topics and suspending someone

I'm setting myself up for this guy being a serial offender now aren't I :whistling: If that's the case I guess a suspension may be fair enough

aScottishBloke;6582137

However the following rule should have been adhered to[/B]



No one is disputing that the rule should have been followed, keep up at the back :thumbsup: Its whether they should have been suspended for it. I say no. But rules is rules.......

aScottishBloke;6582137

[B]I see four infractions above already :w00t:



Just checked my inbox

Johnboy_1975;6583176

I don't see how the previous 3 threads being open, shut, locked, open, … I don't see how the previous 3 threads being open, shut, locked, open, expired or whatever have any bearing on "the rest of us". If he was bumping them all - fair enough.......If only I could understand how it is "unfair" on other sellers to have 3 inactive open threads as opposed to 3 inactive closed threads then maybe I would be able to agree with the suspensionThats what I'm on about - lets have some :thumbsup: It must be easier for a mod to lock 3 topics cmpared to locking 4 topics and suspending someoneI'm setting myself up for this guy being a serial offender now aren't I :whistling: If that's the case I guess a suspension may be fair enough



You ain't done anything wrong by complaining?

The Rule is to close them. What happens is people come on to boards (new members an awful lot) and bump old threads up to the top, that have been in-active, as a result someone else looses there bump at the top of the list. He may not have been bumping them, he may not of been using them. But the rules there for the what if. His suspension was just, and based on them rules, I'm pretty sure mine was under this rule.:)

Whats 08-10-09 + 7 days? I doubt they would have been suspended for the older threads, but the rule is pretty clear that you can't relist for 7 days and they have relisted after 6...

guv;6581450

I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around … I agree. Seems very petty, but then there are lots of petty people around who claim to be "helping" but just get some sort of pleasure from being vindictive. You've probably noticed this?



Rep for the trueist post of the week.

happened to me once, forgot to expire a thread which was months old and forgot about it.

it happens, people forget....

why don't the mods make the expiry date entry field compulsory when listing in the fs/ft section, surely that will help

Banned

t2k4life;6587526

happened to me once, forgot to expire a thread which was months old and … happened to me once, forgot to expire a thread which was months old and forgot about it.it happens, people forget....why don't the mods make the expiry date entry field compulsory when listing in the fs/ft section, surely that will help


just get in the habit of clicking your avatar before listing. It shows clearly ALL your active FS/FT threads

Sloth/Mod

t2k4life;6587526

happened to me once, forgot to expire a thread which was months old and … happened to me once, forgot to expire a thread which was months old and forgot about it.it happens, people forget....why don't the mods make the expiry date entry field compulsory when listing in the fs/ft section, surely that will help



They still have to be locked though.........so just being expired wouldn't help.

thesaint;6581499

Not speaking about this member in particular, but members should be … Not speaking about this member in particular, but members should be following the rules set out, if they can't they should be punished, if it's not the 1st time, the punishments should escalate."Good" people recognise this and don't get punished.



I got 'punished' for bumping once too often, just to show a final price drop, weeks after the previous post in the thread. If I hadn't, no-one would have even been aware of the new price. Yeah, end of the world stuff I know. So I refuse to sell in FS/FT now. The mods in this place have lost all grip on sensible administration of the site IMO. They consistantly take the wrong side of the arguement. Like the guy being messed about for 47 posts tonight, trying to sell a BNIB PS3 slim for less than RRP, then having his thread locked because he won't sell it for even less still. Just because he took advantage of a three free games deal at Amazon. It's way past absurd, it's ridiculous.

Banned

Scribbles, you escaped lightly. There were 6 bumps in that thread, not the 4. Turned into a wee conversation, which added at least 1 more bump to the 4 stated, as well as your final meaningless point which was an additional bump. Having exceeded the bumps, no need to tell us again via yet another post that you're off to ebay. A simple closure request to ensure you didn't receive another infraction for listing elsewhere would have been enough.

The other post you refer to also has issues. One of the principles on the fs/ft forum is no profiteering. Buying a package and splitting it up with the intention of obtaining profit is clearly in breach of this. There are other issues re dual listing and excessive bumps to consider.
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