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aah96;6753297

well said x x



Your avatar is abusive, nearly makes me have an eppy and i've not even got the condition.

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OK so read through it again and I guess this is incorporated into 'trolling' but IMHO I think it should have its own area....its more serious than HUKD seems to make out...

Good point, however to judge bullying is not always a clear cut answer.. so in terms of rules it will be hard to pinpoint the specific..? What would one write as a rule tho so that it is sound and without any second doubts?

So thus in terms of to be banned or not, mod's have final say anyway, they are judge and jury..? So.. kinda means rules are just guidelines.. anything 'antisocial' will not be tolerated?

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Inquisitor;6753336

Good point, however to judge bullying is not always a clear cut answer.. … Good point, however to judge bullying is not always a clear cut answer.. so in terms of rules it will be hard to pinpoint the specific..? What would one write as a rule tho so that it is sound and without any second doubts?



the level of bullying would be decided by the mods...mods have clear discretion over many other aspects of the site...so why not here?

Would need to be worded something along the lines of

'Any personal attacks on other members/non-members will be taken to be … 'Any personal attacks on other members/non-members will be taken to be bullying and will not be accepted. Acts of such will be dealt with at the discretion of Admin and Moderators without prior warning to the offenders and may result in a ban.'

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Inquisitor;6753336

So thus in terms of to be banned or not, mod's have final say anyway, … So thus in terms of to be banned or not, mod's have final say anyway, they are judge and jury..? So.. kinda means rules are just guidelines.. anything 'antisocial' will not be tolerated?



Yup they do but thats how it goes isnt it...someone has to moderate the threads?

I am meaning that with no mention of such in the Code of Conduct HUKD is more or less authorising it on the site....Although the rules can be seen as guidelines Im sure the aim of them is that if they are followed then the site is the best it can be. Authorising such abuse is blatantly not good for the site and should be at least discouraged.

Agree and understand your point.

However, lol....one could say that bullying is already covered under the "inciting negative response" rule. Simply as bullying is a pattern of negative behaviour against another person. Once that pattern emerges and is identified, then it can be defined as inciting a negative response and actioned appropriately.

How can you bully someone on here? We all have an 'off' button!!!

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StevenA2000_uk;6753453

Agree and understand your point.However, lol....one could say that … Agree and understand your point.However, lol....one could say that bullying is already covered under the "inciting negative response" rule. Simply as bullying is a pattern of negative behaviour against another person. Once that pattern emerges and is identified, then it can be defined as inciting a negative response and actioned appropriately.:)



yeah as I said above I do see how some points of the other areas of the CoC could be taken to cover the issue of bullying....but I thought/think it would be more suitable to have an area clearly outlining a zero tolerance to bullying on this site...unless ofcorse there is tolerance :whistling:

Recently its clear to everyone that many members (in different ways and at different times and aimed at different members before anyone gets offended) have been pushing the boundaries and often crossing the line with regard to bullying and I think it should be addressed by HUKD

Junebjh;6753467

How can you bully someone on here? We all have an 'off' button!!!



:? Avoidance of the topic does not mean it simply isnt there..

I.e. rejecting the reality that the earth is spherical (loose term) doesnt mean it isnt actually spherical...
(technically speaking the earth isnt actually spherical..but we shant go into that off topicness)..

I was speaking as the bullied. Anything I didn't like I would avoid & not even grace it with taking offence.

lil_tiger;6753494

yeah as I said above I do see how some points of the other areas of the … yeah as I said above I do see how some points of the other areas of the CoC could be taken to cover the issue of bullying....but I thought/think it would be more suitable to have an area clearly outlining a zero tolerance to bullying on this site...unless ofcorse there is tolerance :whistling:Recently its clear to everyone that many members (in different ways and at different times and aimed at different members before anyone gets offended) have been pushing the boundaries and often crossing the line with regard to bullying and I think it should be addressed by HUKD



Okay. Whats your definition of "bullying" on the forum?....for example, several people having a strong differing opinion from 1 single person could be perceived as bullying, yet its only a difference of opinion.

How would you define it, given that everybody is limited to articulting themselves via typing words in a box.....? :?

I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. How can you do that on here? It is not the same as expressing an opinion even if it is defamatory.

Even saying something completely unoffensive and factual about a religion gets you infractions on this forum. For example certain groups of people may not drink alcohol so it's no surprise to find alcohol cheaply in the areas those groups live - (which is factual, and good for saving cash to those not from those groups). Trying to be diplomatic about that and not name any groups as I wouldn't want an infraction! (But I will probably get one for that comment anyway).

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StevenA2000_uk;6753514

Okay. Whats your definition of "bullying" on the forum?....for example, … Okay. Whats your definition of "bullying" on the forum?....for example, several people having a strong differing opinion from 1 single person could be perceived as bullying, yet its only a difference of opinion. How would you define it, given that everybody is limited to articulting themselves via typing words in a box.....? :?



as I have said above...this would have to be for the mods to decide and use their discretion as they're the ones who would have to implement it. They already do as such when deciding what are 'Attacks on a person's faith, race, colour, sexual preference... ' which cannot be easily defined.

Some posts I have seen recently are BLATANTLY obvious whom they are aimed at and also obvious that they are made in an offensive manner....fair enough there will be some grey area as with most discretionary offences but the obvious things should be easy to see.

Junebjh;6753545

I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. … I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. How can you do that on here? It is not the same as expressing an opinion even if it is defamatory.



Ie. if someone threw offensive at you you would simply press the 'off' button? isnt that already making u do something you wernt going to do prior the comment/s?

In that case it is you who is being bullied into writing in a certain way as you feel unable to write what you actually want to write.
Are we now talking of P Cness?

Banned

The Code of Conduct quite clearly states:

III. Trolling, Trolls: * Trolls are people who for no reason want to … III. Trolling, Trolls: * Trolls are people who for no reason want to disrupt a forum topic by constantly posting out of context posts, derogatory comments, throwing insults, making personal attacks and deliberately inciting a negative response from other members. This is called trolling; in public forums and won't be tolerated here.* Users or groups of users who continue to attack other members because of their views and opinions, attempting to beat them down or demean them, will have posts deleted and may be banned.


I think this covers the areas you deem to be lacking.

Members should report posts they feel contravenes the Code Of Conduct.

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Junebjh;6753545

I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. … I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. How can you do that on here? It is not the same as expressing an opinion even if it is defamatory.


I suppose I might define bullying as doing anything to offend another, not just 'forcing them to do something'...Bullying can be a range of things; jokes, teasing, comments, discussions, even just single words in some cases
anewman;6753558

Even saying something completely unoffensive and factual about a religion … Even saying something completely unoffensive and factual about a religion gets you infractions on this forum. For example certain groups of people may not drink alcohol so it's no surprise to find alcohol cheaply in the areas those groups live - (which is factual, and good for saving cash to those not from those groups). Trying to be diplomatic about that and not name any groups as I wouldn't want an infraction! (But I will probably get one for that comment anyway).



I agree but thats a matter for the mods to decide what should be punished and what should be....on matters where there arent clean cut do's and dont's the mods discretion is all that can be used (sometimes unfortunately)

Junebjh;6753545

I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. … I think bullying is forcing someone to do something against their will. How can you do that on here? It is not the same as expressing an opinion even if it is defamatory.



I think when u have posted more and get to know ..........certain peeps and the way the post u will sort of have a better understanding here.

Welcome to HUKD btw :-D

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aScottishBloke;6753596

The Code of Conduct quite clearly states:I think this covers the areas … The Code of Conduct quite clearly states:I think this covers the areas you deem to be lacking.Members should report such posts where they feel they contravene the Code Of Conduct.



I do not agree that an offense that occurs so often should be contained in the shadow of another....there is no mention of 'bulying' at all in the CoC and therefore I can only presume HUKD encourage it.
As I have already wrote twice in this thread I have realised that it has been vaguely covered but it should be an obvious offence...not hidden within another (IMO ofc)

You cant beat a bit of Bully ! :whistling:

We are all bullied by laws which don't allow us to express what we feel (without punishment). Opinions are taken apart word by word to see if they could possibly be construed to offend any one at all when usually none is meant and we are just using our language.

Junebjh;6753593

In that case it is you who is being bullied into writing in a certain way … In that case it is you who is being bullied into writing in a certain way as you feel unable to write what you actually want to write.Are we now talking of P Cness?



Whats P Cness?

There are more 'polite and mannered' way of expressing ones opinions without being offensive/personal attacks on other people. Express however you like, but aggression and personal attacks are not necessary is i think what people are getting at..

There is bullying on here, as everywhere, but it doesn't need to be tolerated.

The simple answer is to report abuse to the mods and they remove the offending posts.

No one should feel it necessary to log off because of some one elses' comments.

Banned

lil_tiger;6753623

I do not agree that an offense that occurs so often should be contained … I do not agree that an offense that occurs so often should be contained in the shadow of another....there is no mention of 'bulying' at all in the CoC and therefore I can only presume HUKD encourage it.As I have already wrote twice in this thread I have realised that it has been vaguely covered but it should be an obvious offence...not hidden within another (IMO ofc)



It's not contained within the shadow of another rule. We are talking about the same thing, albeit a different title.

Offensive behaviour is neither encouraged, nor tolerated.

Thanks Bossyboots. I rest my case. actually the dogs needs to go out.

Junebjh;6753633

We are all bullied by laws which don't allow us to express what we feel … We are all bullied by laws which don't allow us to express what we feel (without punishment). Opinions are taken apart word by word to see if they could possibly be construed to offend any one at all when usually none is meant and we are just using our language.



I think proper use of language is important to actually get across what one is trying to say.. thats how society improves.. unfortunately yes there are rules which is a bit.. :thinking:. But hey, no-ones perfect.. we're all just trying to get along as best as we can, imo laws are meant to be guidelines and not restrictions.. :-D

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aScottishBloke;6753657

It's not contained within the shadow of another rule. We are talking … It's not contained within the shadow of another rule. We are talking about the same thing, albeit a different title. Offensive behaviour is neither encouraged, nor tolerated.



well it seems nothing is going to change then...I must say however, that its funny you mention such behaviour not being tolerated when it so obviously is so....seems some mods are simply forgetting how to punish people....as any punishment for such behaviour seems non existant...enough said :whistling:

Shengis;6753329

Your avatar is abusive, nearly makes me have an eppy and i've not even … Your avatar is abusive, nearly makes me have an eppy and i've not even got the condition.



abusive ?

whats abusive about a lemar ?

If I took offence at anything in a public forum I would have a damn good word with myself.

Banned

lil_tiger;6753728

well it seems nothing is going to change then...I must say however, that … well it seems nothing is going to change then...I must say however, that its funny you mention such behaviour not being tolerated when it so obviously is so....seems some mods are simply forgetting how to punish people....as any punishment for such behaviour seems non existant...enough said :whistling:



Many infractions have been issued to date, your comments are a misrepresentation of the facts.

We've pointed out that we have rules to cover such behaviour. In addition we've confirmed that these actions are not acceptable. Finally we've repeated that members are encouraged to report such incidents for mod review.


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