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Flash Sale at Gamivo - 20% of all games using code FLASHJUNE from 5pm to 6pm 01/07/19 - GAMES ONLY
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Flash Sale at Gamivo - 20% of all games using code FLASHJUNE from 5pm to 6pm 01/07/19 - GAMES ONLY

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Posted 1st Jul
Flash Sale at Gamivo - 20% of all games using code FLASHJUNE from 5pm to 6pm 01/07/19 - GAMES ONLY

Runs from 6pm to 7pm CEST, in other words 5pm to 6pm UK time.


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englandbulldog01/07/2019 16:34

Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account …Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account tho, do you know how long they take to send account?


You really shouldn't do that and any site that pushes things like that probably shouldn't be allowed on here IMHO.

Grey keys are fine IMHO as long as they're not stolen but reselling accounts is a different bag entirely.
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Anyone used these before?
englandbulldog01/07/2019 16:29

Anyone used these before?


Yes a few times, after initially having reservations. They are legit mate.
Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account tho, do you know how long they take to send account?
englandbulldog01/07/2019 16:34

Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account …Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account tho, do you know how long they take to send account?


Never personally purchased any PS account games, that being said codes etc do come through very quickly.
We need to put a ban on key resellers. It's pretty disgusting to see them regularly promoted here on HUKD.
englandbulldog01/07/2019 16:34

Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account …Tempted with days gone, with 20% it's only £21.45, it's another ps account tho, do you know how long they take to send account?


You really shouldn't do that and any site that pushes things like that probably shouldn't be allowed on here IMHO.

Grey keys are fine IMHO as long as they're not stolen but reselling accounts is a different bag entirely.
Spark01/07/2019 16:45

You really shouldn't do that and any site that pushes things like that …You really shouldn't do that and any site that pushes things like that probably shouldn't be allowed on here IMHO. Grey keys are fine IMHO as long as they're not stolen but reselling accounts is a different bag entirely.


Yeah true
englandbulldog01/07/2019 16:52

Yeah true


Tbh I think you'll be able to get a used retail copy at around that price soon enough anyway. I bought it in a recent Indonesia sale and I'm not a fan of it at all although I know JoeyDeacon would disagree. I was hoping for something more akin to TLoU like most people I think but it's just a bit repetitive and dull.
Spark01/07/2019 16:45

Grey keys are fine IMHO as long as they're not stolen


Trouble is, it's incredibly difficult to prove legitimacy. They're often bought for resale by organised crime gangs using stolen credit cards for the purpose of money laundering.

The ability to resell keys is protected by EU law and it's important that the right exists, but it sadly creates a marketplace that is ripe for exploitation.

Just today, in fact, there are multiple developers on Twitter stating they'd rather their games be pirated than see them resold in this manner as they get no return on them whilst the key reseller rakes in cash from people eager to get a deal
Spark01/07/2019 16:55

Tbh I think you'll be able to get a used retail copy at around that price …Tbh I think you'll be able to get a used retail copy at around that price soon enough anyway. I bought it in a recent Indonesia sale and I'm not a fan of it at all although I know JoeyDeacon would disagree. I was hoping for something more akin to TLoU like most people I think but it's just a bit repetitive and dull.


Ok cheers mate, I heard the mixed reviews... Just waiting for it to drop abit
Example of key reseller transaction.

Stolen credit card used to buy keys in bulk. Keys are then listed on the likes of G2A, Kinguin and others. Unwitting customer looking for a deal buys stolen key. Purchase card gets reported stolen, chargebacks ensue. Original developer loses purchase fee, key reseller has still benefited from the sale, as has the criminal who listed the key. In extreme examples the key gets revoked.

Developer loses, customer loses, and the only people coming out on top are the original thief and the key resale site. They sit in the middle, completely unscathed
mordan01/07/2019 16:56

Trouble is, it's incredibly difficult to prove legitimacy. They're often …Trouble is, it's incredibly difficult to prove legitimacy. They're often bought for resale by organised crime gangs using stolen credit cards for the purpose of money laundering. The ability to resell keys is protected by EU law and it's important that the right exists, but it sadly creates a marketplace that is ripe for exploitation. Just today, in fact, there are multiple developers on Twitter stating they'd rather their games be pirated than see them resold in this manner as they get no return on them whilst the key reseller rakes in cash from people eager to get a deal


I think it depends on the developer really. If you're referring to an indie dev who has issued out keys to Youtube and Twitch "personalities" only to see those keys resold then I have complete sympathy. If it's the likes of Epic, EA and Ubisoft however then they can do one as far as I'm concerned.
mordan01/07/2019 17:02

Example of key reseller transaction.Stolen credit card used to buy keys in …Example of key reseller transaction.Stolen credit card used to buy keys in bulk. Keys are then listed on the likes of G2A, Kinguin and others. Unwitting customer looking for a deal buys stolen key. Purchase card gets reported stolen, chargebacks ensue. Original developer loses purchase fee, key reseller has still benefited from the sale, as has the criminal who listed the key. In extreme examples the key gets revoked. Developer loses, customer loses, and the only people coming out on top are the original thief and the key resale site. They sit in the middle, completely unscathed


I'll be honest, I've bought my fair share of keys from the likes of CDKeys and G2A over the years and I've never had any of them revoked. The only keys that have ever been revoked on my Steam account were ones I was given for work purposes.
Spark01/07/2019 17:02

I think it depends on the developer really. If you're referring to an …I think it depends on the developer really. If you're referring to an indie dev who has issued out keys to Youtube and Twitch "personalities" only to see those keys resold then I have complete sympathy. If it's the likes of Epic, EA and Ubisoft however then they can do one as far as I'm concerned.


So you're OK with theft as long as it's against a "big" company? Weird.

The examples on Twitter today have been specifically referring to the protected credit card fraud angle.
mordan01/07/2019 17:08

So you're OK with theft as long as it's against a "big" company? Weird. …So you're OK with theft as long as it's against a "big" company? Weird. The examples on Twitter today have been specifically referring to the protected credit card fraud angle.


When those same companies are pushing loot crates at kids left, right and centre, yes I am.
Spark01/07/2019 17:09

When those same companies are pushing loot crates at kids left, right and …When those same companies are pushing loot crates at kids left, right and centre, yes I am.


I'm with you that big game publishers are shady AF but two wrongs don't make a right :-)
Spark01/07/2019 16:55

Tbh I think you'll be able to get a used retail copy at around that price …Tbh I think you'll be able to get a used retail copy at around that price soon enough anyway. I bought it in a recent Indonesia sale and I'm not a fan of it at all although I know JoeyDeacon would disagree. I was hoping for something more akin to TLoU like most people I think but it's just a bit repetitive and dull.


Hmmm, so selling PSN accounts is not allowed, but setting up a fake Indonesian account, and purchasing games from another region... totally legit.

I'm not sure you have the moral high ground any longer my friend.
Spark01/07/2019 17:05

I'll be honest, I've bought my fair share of keys from the likes of CDKeys …I'll be honest, I've bought my fair share of keys from the likes of CDKeys and G2A over the years and I've never had any of them revoked. The only keys that have ever been revoked on my Steam account were ones I was given for work purposes.


And I've sold unwanted gifts on key resale sites. The right to resell (or refund) is important and I did point out that keys only get revoked in extreme circumstances.

Either way, HUKD shouldn't list grey market sellers. Posts like this remind me why I try to block "Pepper experts" from my feed.
Managed to get Assassin's Creed Odyssey Gold edition for just over £25 (would've been £24 but they still charge processing fees on top, grr!)

Managed to get it activated on Steam within around half an hour or so
Edited by: "mattgarforth" 1st Jul
Missed the window for the voucher but picked up "fight n rage" anyway for just over a quid, thanks op!
Legit for sure only buy digital stuff for xbox. BUT never accounts that have a game on it.
mordan01/07/2019 17:10

And I've sold unwanted gifts on key resale sites. The right to resell (or …And I've sold unwanted gifts on key resale sites. The right to resell (or refund) is important and I did point out that keys only get revoked in extreme circumstances.Either way, HUKD shouldn't list grey market sellers. Posts like this remind me why I try to block "Pepper experts" from my feed.


What really differentiates grey key sellers from private used car salesmen or the likes of eBay and AliExpress?
EmperorRosko01/07/2019 17:23

Hmmm, so selling PSN accounts is not allowed, but setting up a fake …Hmmm, so selling PSN accounts is not allowed, but setting up a fake Indonesian account, and purchasing games from another region... totally legit. I'm not sure you have the moral high ground any longer my friend.


I never claimed that I did. The difference is that I don't resell my accounts. They're just for my own personal use and paid for using genuine card details and funds that are legally mine. IMHO I'm not doing any harm to anyone.

I would be interested to see how Gamivo are doing this though and which region they are using for these accounts. If they're buying them with legit credit cards then it's going to be almost impossible for them to break even unless they're selling the same credentials to more than one person.
Edited by: "Spark" 2nd Jul
Spark02/07/2019 09:21

What really differentiates grey key sellers from private used car salesmen …What really differentiates grey key sellers from private used car salesmen or the likes of eBay and AliExpress?


The fact that the original seller gets paid?
Again, the very specific issue plaguing key resales is credit card fraud. Stolen card gets used to buy keys, keys immediately listed for resale. Unwitting mark looking for a deal buys the resold key. Reseller gets their cut, thief gets their cut, card gets reported stolen and the original vendor (dev/publisher) has to spend time processing a chargeback. So they see no return on the sale and in fact have to admin the transaction whilst the key reseller and the thief have both still gotten their cut.
mordan02/07/2019 10:10

The fact that the original seller gets paid?Again, the very specific issue …The fact that the original seller gets paid?Again, the very specific issue plaguing key resales is credit card fraud. Stolen card gets used to buy keys, keys immediately listed for resale. Unwitting mark looking for a deal buys the resold key. Reseller gets their cut, thief gets their cut, card gets reported stolen and the original vendor (dev/publisher) has to spend time processing a chargeback. So they see no return on the sale and in fact have to admin the transaction whilst the key reseller and the thief have both still gotten their cut.


And that's why I said in my OP that I'm fine with grey keys as long as they're not stolen.
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