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George Osborne proposes solution to help young onto housing ladder

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Posted 20th May 2016Available: National
Chancellor George Osborne has put forward a suggestion to help the young onto the housing ladder. By voting to leave the EU, he says prices will be up to 18% lower within 2 years, saving the 1st time buyer £30k on average.

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  1. SJHan's avatar
    Well done George.

    Vote LEAVE.
  2. SJHan's avatar
    Like I say. People have already made up their minds. Corbyn had proven to be incompetent. Cameron has proven to be a liar. The rest of his remainers MPs all have proven track records of being complete bells...

    And then you have Obama. Disliked in his own country. Supporter of remain just so 'merica can profit from TTIP.

    Anyone with half a brain can see the remainers are all in it for themselves.

    Vote remain if you want the UK to be absorbed into a European superstate, run by a faceless, unelected dictatorship and treated with contempt for ever more. No way does or will the UK ever have a realistic input into the running of the EU.
  3. tryn2help's avatar
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  4. deleted156223's avatar
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    ​for every young person to vote to leave ? mmm that would be great idea, b … ​for every young person to vote to leave ? mmm that would be great idea, because then they would be working in a free market .. which would be great , as people in Asia ect get paid £5 a week for 12 hour shifts and they will love that , as they will have to be competitive so they will have to work harder... and longer ... lol but hey that's rubbish as even though we will vote out, and stop paying into the EU we can work a deal that lets us trade with the EU and save jobs and keep our life style ... and the EU will be more than happy to agree with that ... not ...


    Tosh. Clearly another multiple home owner worried about their investment portfolio.

    Today's young have one chance of ever owning a home to live in, by voting to leave the EU that is it. Or, forever more they will be living under their parents roof, under curfew and watching the wallpaper grow old with them.

    In leaving the EU they will gain real independence, real freedom, and real opportunity to spread their wings and develop themselves.

    Why should they be punished and tied down by the failures of a previous generation?

    By staying in the EU, they will also remain forever more their landlords/parents poodle.

    You sound just like the parent that doesn't want to let go, or the landlord who's gravy train is reaching the end of the line.
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  5. groenleader's avatar
    By staying in the EU we keep the same old people and the same old system!

    If we leave we break that franchise which I think can only benefit your average person!

    Everyone in "remain" is just fear mongering. "might" and "could" seem to be the backbone of their dictionary theres nothing good to ever been said about the EU by any of them.
  6. .MUFC.'s avatar
    The remain camp in general seem to be the ones that are easily brainwashed, I really hope that the sensible ones if they've got half a brain cell use it to vote out.!.

  7. cycleman's avatar
    Haven't read all through the thread but am guessing the general gist, to me this totally epitomises the scum we have 'running' this country.
    They are so oblivious to the plight of the everyday person in the street struggling to buy a home and get a job at a decent wage they consider a fall in house prices a bad thing, seeing it only as a loss to their elite few with their investment opportunities.
    Lets just hope and pray like all the other obscene propaganda spouted by this excuse of a government this one backfires big time and we leave this monstrosity called the EU.
  8. splatsplatsplat's avatar
    Whichever way the UK votes, I guarantee Cameron & Georgie will be getting a sweet back hander if they win- in the form of a long term (unelected & unremoveable) job in the EU's secret handshake club, soon after they leave us out to dry.
  9. deleted156223's avatar
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    The question will be, is how low could they fall by leaving the EU? Possibly 30-40% in 4-5 years?

    Hope at last for every young person in the land, all they need do is to vote leave the EU.
  10. deleted156223's avatar
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    ​what are u on about .... how are houses prices linked to the EU???? and … ​what are u on about .... how are houses prices linked to the EU???? and no he didn't admit that .. he's telling you the economy will take a nose dive! affecting the housing market ?? .. as for imported steel you are right we should of taxed it to the roof!!! but WE didn't our government .. not the EU are trying to make friends with China ... didn't hear about the investment in our nuclear plants? ... you see we don't actually own anything any more .. gas, electric .. water.. car industry ... all foreign investment ... here so they can get into the biggest market in the world. ... the EU!!! you see we are cheap labour. ... with no real unions any more ... Thatcher sorted that ... the French ,Germans all have strong unions .. so while we are in the EU .. the biggest protected market in the world?? we will get investment and jobs ... come out and yes house prices will drop ... as will investment ,wages. . but hey a BMW will go up by 20% !!! yay!!!!


    So many wrong analogies I don't even know where to start.

    Here's the problem. People like you clearly no longer have any pride in our country, and as you put it, we're becoming a basket case. Yet you don't do the link that it's through being in the EU we've become like that?

    Every poor nation in the EU is begging us to stay, so they can continue to milk us dry. If we leave the boogey man will get us!

    Young UK nationals have nothing. Nothing Nothing Nothing. Don't you get it? Nothing.

    This utopian world of the EU is a rich man's dream, and a poor man's master.

    A Master that is becoming more right wing, more elitist, more dictatorial, more dangerous by the day.
  11. SJHan's avatar
    Filling a thread with your own comments doesn't magically make any of them true you know!
  12. deleted265520's avatar
    Saw a quadruple post by richmond on the first few pages so decided to skip to page 8 to see if he has cleared off.

    Nope. I'll give this thread a miss.
  13. deleted126783's avatar
    Interesting points in my local MP's monthly newsletter (Tim Loughton). A bit long but some very interesting points:-

    EU Referendum: Reaction to Government propaganda and scaremongering

    I have had a lot of angry constituents, who have received the Government’s £9.3 million propaganda leaflet, contact me and last week the HM Treasury produced a 200 page document, including lengthy algebraic equations, saying why there would be a plague of frogs and Martians would invade if we vote to come of the EU. I think they are wrong and I think this a misuse of public funds, the claims are government propaganda dressed up as facts.

    We know that if we vote leave there is going to be a period of uncertainty, as with any ending of a relationship, but in the Treaty of Lisbon (Article 50) there is a two year period set out during which we renegotiate our relationship with the EU. We think that we can use that negotiation to secure a much better deal for the UK, looking to trade with the rest of the world, freed from EU regulations.

    HM Treasury’s document claims that by 2030 there will be a cost of £4,300 per household. Trying to forecast what is going to happen 14 years out is impossible – HM Treasury struggles to forecast what is going to have 14 weeks out – so this is entirely speculation.

    The report ignores the fact the ‪EU‬ is a shrinking trade bloc; the EU’s share of World GDP is just 60% of what it was in 1990 and we are continuing to contract in the EU, whilst the rest of the World moves ahead.

    The report does not take any notice of what the risks and uncertainty of what would happen when the 18 Eurozone countries decide the legislation of the EU, which might not be in the interest of non-euro countries, like the UK.

    The report does not take account of increased uncertainty of new Eastern European nations, who have much poorer economies, entering the EU, or the prospect of Turkey joining the EU. It says nothing about the uncertainty of the immigration crisis – 1.8 million people came into the EU last year, most of them from the Middle East and North Africa. The Treasury’s report actually forecasts that there will at least another 3 million people coming from the EU to the UK alone by 2030 at a time when the Government is trying to lower immigration to the 10,000s. We know in the South East of England the pressures immigration brings to our schools, hospitals, infrastructure and public services.

    All that uncertainty does not feature in the Government’s propaganda. These are dodgy forecasts and dodgy numbers.

    The Government’s ‪propaganda‬ also takes absolutely no account of the new trade deals we could negotiate with other countries outside the EU that we can do at the moment because we are part of the EU. A prime example is India; the EU has tried for the last nine years to negotiate a trade deal with India and it has just collapsed, conversely the tiny principality of Liechtenstein just negotiated a trade deal with India and took only six months.

    India is an important trading partner and it could be a much bigger trading partner for us. Outside the EU we can get out there and negotiate trade deals with India, China, Russia, Brazil, Singapore and other growing economies of the world. That would produce more wealth, more jobs and greater stability and prosperity for the UK and our families. You will not find that in the Treasury’s document.

    When you look at the trade deals that the EU has negotiated with other countries, the aggregate GDP, i.e. the value of the economies the EU has struck trade deals with, amounts to $7.3 trillion.

    Meanwhile, the aggregate GDP of the countries Chile alone has negotiated is $58 trillion – hugely more than what the EU has achieved.

    So do not believe the scare stories. The opportunities for Britain to be free to trade with the rest of the world in our interest is enormous.

    As well as all this, the Treasury’s document does not take account of the reduce costs of having no longer to comply with EU regulations on business. We have something like 3,000 regulations every year which impose extra burdens on our business. Some of them are useful and we will continue to sign up to them, but many of them are not and produce extra bureaucracy and cost to our companies, which are then passed onto the consumer. The 100 most burdensome business regulations costs UK businesses £33bn alone.

    We would not have to comply with most of that.
    Just think how much better off our business and out families could be.

    So this figure of £4,300 is completely nonsense and should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

    I have had a lot of complaints that the referendum campaign so far has been too much based on negative scare stories and ‘‪Project Fear‬’. I am afraid the two pretty pitiful documents from the Government and the Treasury just confirm that.

    So let’s ‪vote leave‬ on the 23 June for a fresh start and brighter future in the rest of the world, where 6.9 billion people live.
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  14. deleted264021's avatar
    What has the EU to do with Russians, Chinese and Arabs buying up housing stock for investment purposes?
  15. deleted264021's avatar
    So long as the tory party are in control I'm voting for any and all red tape that will tie their evil hands.
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  16. deleted254180's avatar
    Just do what I did and get a girlfriend who has lots of money
  17. richmond's avatar
    the young people of this country are having to live with the decision made in the 80s by Thatcher ... she sold everything ... admittedly to us ... and we sold our shares to the highest bidder ... and bought a car/ holidays.... council houses ect ... that's what is holding young people back ... not the EU ....
  18. STRICKIBHOY's avatar
    when I look at Europe, i see it crumbling and falling apart. Greece, Spain, Portugal ireland all needing help, do we stay and eventually get dragged down? the businesses that are doing well are the ones that are avoiding tax, ie google, Amazon, Facebook and the rest. also the political party's gaining support in some countries aren't exactly pro Europe, when these people get in power, then what for Europe?. its time to say thanks but goodbye. lets invest and look after our own.
  19. .MUFC.'s avatar

    ​true ... just waiting for some one to give me a good reason to leave?


    Please leave, you're spamming now.
  20. .MUFC.'s avatar

    ​i have my opinion deal with it?? lmao



    Problem you have is that even the remain voters on here don't agree with you. Clear you've been brainwashed by your own opinion.
  21. GAVINLEWISHUKD's avatar

    I would class 20% as a large amount.If some one said I was going to get a … I would class 20% as a large amount.If some one said I was going to get a 20% pay cut/rise I'd be happy with that.



    Well if a EU subsidised BMW is that important to you you should probably vote in. I'm happy buying UK cars or cars from none EU countries.
  22. .MUFC.'s avatar

    landlords , renting, house prices , are nothing to do with EU .. it's a … landlords , renting, house prices , are nothing to do with EU .. it's a thing left over from the Thatcher years, greed... "look how much my house is worth" .. let's just tax landlord's on more than one house! take the profit out of owning more than one house .trade barriers ... mmm the EU puts up trade barriers to protect jobs, and wages and working conditions. if u are out you pay an import tax , which we will have to pay ... and as most of our industry is foreign owned , to be in the single market , they will pull out . Of course we could also put our own import tax on the EU (that will teach em!) as they do import a lot of stuff here ... but I got the feeling .. correct me if I am wrong ,but I doubt BMW ect will pay a single penny ... they will pass it on to us ... so job losses and price hikes , but yes house prices could fall .. lol great deal



    Look at a label on a random item and 97% of the time it's "Made in China", Ok certain items might increase in price and import duties may or may not need to be paid, They haven't got a trade agreement yet which is negotiable should we leave and also we'll have more freedom to negotiate trade agreements with other Countries. Lot's of things may actually go down in price but regardless if leaving makes us safer then any price increase is worth it.!.

    If it's too expensive to import, Make it.!, About time we became a little more self sufficient anyway, We depend too much on foreign lands.!.
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  23. deleted126783's avatar

    hey what about the commonwealth?? yes!! the commonwealth .. Australia ... … hey what about the commonwealth?? yes!! the commonwealth .. Australia ... the west Indies ... they will buy over priced cars. . pots and pans yes!! great idea just need a deal with P&O ferries to get the stuff over there cheaply ... it can be done!! not ...or we can sell em in Europe as competitive prices???.. mm mm there a thought ... of course if we come out .. we can rejoin easy enough ..get rid of everything we have negotiated... and get rid of the pound , kick T he banks in to touch (not a bad thing) they might think of letting us back ... maybe ...


    I'm guessing you are a young teenager going on the illiterate nonsense you keep spewing out every minute..... oO

    Try reading what you have written before posting
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  24. deleted89378's avatar

    i am proud of being English .. I will not hand over a county to the next … i am proud of being English .. I will not hand over a county to the next generation that is poorer than the one I inherited ..


    And, you think being in the EU will make us richer? Your next generation will be begging or basking like those Albanian and Romanian beggars on streets.
    How many companies keep closing down every quarter ? How many high street shops lay abandoned? How many British people are made redundant just because labour is cheaper in Europe and companies relocate parts of their operations ?


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  25. deleted156223's avatar
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    ​not sure where u get thoses fig from .. the sun news paper ..? .. just l … ​not sure where u get thoses fig from .. the sun news paper ..? .. just look at the people heading the out campaign .. look at their background?


    I got them from a reliable source of poll of polls, which you can then break down into finite detail.

    Having said that, I believe all polls to be inaccurate, with a far greater leave vote expected than is currently being recorded.

  26. 3guesses's avatar
    *** NEWS FLASH ****

    *** Establishment wants to maintain status quo ***

    In a shock announcememt, the UK establishment categorically stated that they wished to maintain the status quo in order that the rich might continue to get richer while the poor sadly got poorer. No spokesman was available for comment.
  27. 3guesses's avatar
    To return to the actual subject: when has it ever been a bad thing for an asset to become cheaper??

    Please sir! I want to pay more for that!


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  28. .MUFC.'s avatar
    I see Camerons little minion is spamming again.

  29. SJHan's avatar
    The Ramblings of a Mad Man.
  30. surinamtoad's avatar

    Well that's fine if they choose to do so. But as we import three times as … Well that's fine if they choose to do so. But as we import three times as many cars (cash wise) as we export and can then subsidise our exports. So now our 16k civic cost a EU customer £17.2k the BMW that cost £25k will cost a UK £30k. So we will buy less EU cars and more cars made here or outside the EU where now a Kia costs 13.5k rather than 16k. But they won't do this anyway. As I and many othershave said it is in their best interest to set up a free trade agreement.I'm not sure where you are going with everybody will leave. We are the only ones who want to leave. The only other one who it would make financial sense is Germany. But they don't want to leave as they rule the roost. It's their gang.



    I think Holland has desires to leave too. I also believe that the EU major players are concerned that Brexit could turn into the catalyst for the collapse of the EU. It's been said that for France to financially prop up the EU would turn it into a PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain). There are only 2 countries holding the entity together, Germany and UK
  31. SJHan's avatar

    I think Holland has desires to leave too. I also believe that the EU … I think Holland has desires to leave too. I also believe that the EU major players are concerned that Brexit could turn into the catalyst for the collapse of the EU. It's been said that for France to financially prop up the EU would turn it into a PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain). There are only 2 countries holding the entity together, Germany and UK


    Cameron likes PIGS.
  32. deleted126783's avatar
    clueless from richmond

    we give those countries millions in aid , far more than we pay for the EU … we give those countries millions in aid , far more than we pay for the EU ..


    Completely wrong as per usual.

    You really are rather dim
  33. deleted261062's avatar

    . "outside the EU we can get out there and negotiate trade deals with … . "outside the EU we can get out there and negotiate trade deals with India, China, Russia, Brazil, Singapore and other growing economies of the world." fact we give those countries millions in aid , far more than we pay for the EU .. and get nothing back , except loads of people ... fact , China , India top of the immigration list



    We give China £27million a year and from this year we give India £0.00.
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  34. deleted156223's avatar
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    shadey12

    makes interesting bedtime reading, memories ​of who said what before the r … makes interesting bedtime reading, memories ​of who said what before the referendum.


    Primarily Osborne's prediction of a fall in house prices if we left the EU.
  35. thearbiter65's avatar
    I will be so glad when this referendum is over.
  36. tryn2help's avatar
    shauneco

    The remain camp in general seem to be the ones that are easily … The remain camp in general seem to be the ones that are easily brainwashed, I really hope that the sensible ones if they've got half a brain cell use it to vote out.!.



    Shaun opts for manc tactics 'who's the brainy one?' . . .

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  37. deleted156223's avatar
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    landlords , renting, house prices , are nothing to do with EU .. it's a … landlords , renting, house prices , are nothing to do with EU .. it's a thing left over from the Thatcher years, greed... "look how much my house is worth" .. let's just tax landlord's on more than one house! take the profit out of owning more than one house .trade barriers ... mmm the EU puts up trade barriers to protect jobs, and wages and working conditions. if u are out you pay an import tax , which we will have to pay ... and as most of our industry is foreign owned , to be in the single market , they will pull out . Of course we could also put our own import tax on the EU (that will teach em!) as they do import a lot of stuff here ... but I got the feeling .. correct me if I am wrong ,but I doubt BMW ect will pay a single penny ... they will pass it on to us ... so job losses and price hikes , but yes house prices could fall .. lol great deal


    Wrong wrong and wrong again.

    Clearly high house price are related to being in the EU, even the Chancellor admits to that.

    The EU forces high tariffs on countries outside the EU, therefore many prices will actually fall when we renegotiate those deals.

    Th e EU imposes tariffs when it suits them, but ignores the damage to the British Steel Industry when it doesn't. We can do our own deals best suited to our own economy.

    The National Living Wage was not introduced by the EU, nor was the National Minimum Wage.

    The EU are not some Knight in shinning armour protecting the poor, why are wages so low in Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia? This insistence that workers will suffer in leaving the EU is total nonsense.
  38. richmond's avatar
    what are u waffling on about .. talk facts ... hard facts ... cash , standard of living. jobs .. a future .. not crap .. actually read what u have said ... there is not one actual fact in there... except house will drop due to the big recession that will hit this country!
    i love this country and I am very proud to be English .. in all the countries I have visited this is the greatest country on earth I am a Englishman through and through , but the fact is we are a island in the north Atlantic .. steeped in a manufacturing / farming history and to come out of the biggest market in the world is just plain dumb!!! and giving the next generation nothing but long hours , no human rights.. and very very low pay...
  39. richmond's avatar
    they are paying for the 60s children ... paying for their life style ... and in a way it's not even started because thoses 60s children are coming up for retirement and the government has promised £140? a week on a full stamp ... oh and life expectancy is going up .. who's going to pay that ... you see we are heading down ... and while we are in the EU , and at the moment we are top of the tree .. but times will change the lower wages in other countries will shift industry, we get more subsidies in the future to support our aging population... or we can come out and saddle the next generation with it. .. nice one?
  40. deleted156223's avatar
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    what are u waffling on about .. talk facts ... hard facts ... cash , … what are u waffling on about .. talk facts ... hard facts ... cash , standard of living. jobs .. a future .. not crap .. actually read what u have said ... there is not one actual fact in there... except house will drop due to the big recession that will hit this country! i love this country and I am very proud to be English .. in all the countries I have visited this is the greatest country on earth I am a Englishman through and through , but the fact is we are a island in the north Atlantic .. steeped in a manufacturing / farming history and to come out of the biggest market in the world is just plain dumb!!! and giving the next generation nothing but long hours , no human rights.. and very very low pay...


    Fact, the rise of the far right across the EU telegraph.co.uk/new…rm/

    Fact, an EU army is on the agenda. express.co.uk/new…ope

    Fact, immigration sending house prices out of control was predicted years ago. migrationwatchuk.org/bri…/50

    Fact, the young are burdened with the highest levels of debt in history. bbc.co.uk/new…698

    Fact, pride in the UK at an all time low dailymail.co.uk/new…tml

    Where is this utopia you say we have through being in the EU?

    They say if you put a frog in a pan of boiling water it will jump out. However, put it in a pan of cold water and then slowly bring it to the boil it will die. Feeling warm yet..?
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