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cheers - been here 12 years and dont plan on leaving 🤞🤞
Don’t know the answer but do know that Ifyou plan to sell, you will have to declare the defective drain issues.
Bear in mind that they will only be lined so the roots can still damage the pipe and probably the liner, the best thing to do would be to replace it with modern plastic pipe but more work and expense but could be cheaper long term.
That circlip just stops the spindle dropping down inside the cartridge, you would only want to remove it if you wanted to dismantle the cartridge itself, but you would still need to unbolt the cartridge first and pull off the blue bit, as the insides remove from the bottom. Turn the water off, support the tap and unbolt the cartridge, and as Bobster-cyw said, once you've identified the cartridge just bolt it back in until you can get a replacement.
I just repaired mine last week, exactly the same problem. Turn your water off and remove the cartridge with a spanner. I then found a matching one on eBay (just match up the measurements) and pop it back in. No more leaks (y) I wouldn’t bother with removing the circlip, just the whole cartridge. Mine was about £7 Obviously once you’ve ordered just pop the old cartridge back in for now so you can continue to use the tap.
Being a "spanner| is not a compliment.
Thanks for everyone’s input overnight. I don’t think it’s the ceramic discs that have failed as the tap isn’t actually dripping, the tear drop leak is where the circlip is. It’s not constant - only when the lever is pulled. I’m not that confident when dealing with water and as @spannerzone says, the last thing I want is a dismantled tap that’s out of use for a few days. I think the best thing to do would be to remove the circlip and see if I can pull the blue spindle bit out and see if there is a perished washer on that. I’m not sure the circlip is holding anything actually in place,(as it spins round freely (the same on the hot tap))more to stop the spindle from sinking downward (confused)
If it is leaking around the spindle, then it might just need a rubber 'O' ring to replace one on the spindle and a drop of silicone grease to lubricate it, if the OP can get the cartridge apart without breaking the ceramic parts. If the OP is in luck a generic cartridge might fit screwfix have a small selection starting around five quid. https://www.screwfix.com/c/bathrooms-kitchens/reviver-kits-tap-spares/cat820108?producttype=ceramic_tap_glands|ceramic_tap_cartridge|tap_valves|threaded_tap_glands&cm_sp=managedredirect-_-plumbing-_-tapcartridge
Wrap some old rag around it and get big pliers or grips around it and twist.
If you can do, try to rock (wobble) it side to side a little. That might be enough to encourage it to start moving for you. You could also try something that’ll improve the grip you have - rubber gloves as suggested, or really strong tape might help. If you have a set of pliers / grips that open wide enough, cover the tap with something to protect it and see if they help moving it. Again, small side to side movements just to see if you can get it started. Also, if it is one that’s screwed on, you may find trying to tighten it slightly is the easiest way to release it
Try some wd-40 spray on, wrap a bit of kitchen paper around it, nothing to loose and ,any help. Some can be stubborn as *****
Thanks all. Still can't get it off. It's really stubborn.
I'd be inclined to replace the taps, flexies and service valve


As it is not blanked off any time the water level in the trap is above the top of the 'spout' it will come out of it. So that's anytime from when you pull the plug to the water level reaching the bottom of the sink. For a temporary fix I'd unscrew the spout , cover the pipe with a plastic bag and screw the spout back.
Yep, I’d definitely take the main trap off and check for debris, or at least give it a good flush through with Mr Muscle and tighten the dishwasher connection piece.
If it is not used however - how is water coming out - this sounds like there may be a blockage in the trap and it is causing water to back up - is the sink draining slowly??
Re: Appliance nozzle blanking plug It's a McAlpine 40mm Blanking Plug for Traps and Fittings Part no: 228532
Or this and use the blanking plug supplied with you waste https://www.screwfix.com/p/mcalpine-v33s-compression-domestic-appliance-tee-piece-connector-white-40mm/4167p
So reading this it now appears you have hot water when the heating is on, what about when it is summer?? With an immersion heater it is usually a vented system, gravity fed from a header tank in the loft, the hissing sound you heard was probably the tank being filled from that. Is it possible you gas boiler is not a combi-boiler? if it is it may be the person who suggested checking out the diverter valve has a point.(that is the little silver box at the front of your pic) Modern combis usually have no immersion heater and run on sealed systems. I would of thought there will likely be two sensors in play one on the thermostat and another flow sensor, to close the divertor valve when the hot water is running.
Top man!
No problem, glad I've been able to help. When you eventually figure it all out, let me know. I'll be interested to hear how the setup you have with your gas boiler, immersion heater and hot water tank actually works out in real life!
Thanks a million! Couldn’t have worked it out without your prompts so much appreciated! The wiring does seem quite.. messy, so I wonder if there is a switch hidden in the wall behind that plate or if it’s wired into the controller. A job for the weekend 😁
Well done! There's no benefit in using the Immersion heater to heat your water on a daily basis, electricity is a lot more expensive than gas so always heat by gas if possible. However the Immersion is a useful backup if you need extra hot water at short notice, or if your gas boiler fails. The final question is, why is your Immersion heater heating your water when you have a gas boiler capable of doing the same job a lot cheaper? Are you sure you don't have an Immersion heater on/off switch on the wall somewhere, maybe a switch you never really noticed before, often near the cupboard where the hot water cylinder is? If so turn it off. I find it strange that a 3Kw Immersion heater would be wired directly to a consumer unit with no On / Off Switch or Isolation point in between but maybe thats the way they do it these days. If there's no switch then the Immersion must be tied in to your CH controls and there must be some way of selecting if you want hot water heated by gas or electricity but I'm sorry, I can't advise on that, my Immersion here has a simple on/off switch, everything in my house is pretty much "Old School"!
If the water is going over the top of the notched overflow tube, then you'd need to adjust the ballcock / float to make the fill valve shut off with the water level at least half an inch below the top of the overflow. Have you also adjusted the grey linkage rod when you set the height of the flush button, I expect the holes will be numbered the same as the height adjustment. I suspect the grey horizontal slider at the bottom adjusts the size of the outlet aperture, which would affect the power of the flush.
When you think the Internet is huge, I thought I was going mad as I've just read your same problem on reddit. Lol
This or when you put the lid on it pushes the button down.
I would have thought that the further you raise the flush up, the higher the water level and at a certain point the water is too high and will flow down the internal overflow into the toilet??
Sounds like a dodgy plumber or a missunderstanding. The TRV's are designed for you to adjust as you see fit, but you say the plumber told you not to touch them. You need clarification and if they maintain you shouldn't touch them, you need a new plumber or preferably a central heating engineer.
Your boiler could be set to achieve the surface temperature of the sun, but if the TRVs in your system are all set too low it won't do anything. You should be able to fiddle about with any TRV to your hearts content without affecting the system as a whole. I would suggest turning them up half a number in the rooms you would like more heat in and see how it goes.
No. He is not correct. TRVs are set according to BOTH the temperature you want the room at AND the natural temperature gradient of the room. So a cold north facing room with large windows requires more heat than a sunny south facing room. And upstairs rads typically heat up before downstairs due to the natural rising of hot water. He gave you his opinion on temperature. As a manual labourer, that will be different to the needs of an old, immobile person etc. yes, there are trade recommendations bu5 it’s your home, your needs and your heating bills
Maybe you missed OP indicating their rads were fitted with TRVs?
It’s your house how you set the trv are personal preference, they say no more than three is the best setting but they don’t know you or your house. Adjust them to what you see best, below are a set of degrees according to google, but it really depends on you and how you want to heat your house, no one can tell you what’s best. I can tell you that ours aren’t on 3 in any room in the house, we may change them if we want a room cooler but most of the time it’s not on three. 0 = Off.* = 7°C.1 = 10°C.2 = 15°C.3 = 20°C.4 = 25°C.5 = 30°C.
I've got the Aqualisa Quartz digital shower and i can not fault it. its a great piece of engineering.
Thanks for the info. Very informative as will be on the market for a shower soon
Thank you so much for your effort. Very useful and much appreciated.
All clear now. Took him 10mins. I didn’t see what he done because of social distance but he told me , he unplugged U band and used professional electric sneak to push any blockage. Thanks for advice and help.
My last resort (after another plunging session which might help shift something now products been down there) would be something like this: amazon.co.uk/Amtech-S1504-Hand-Tools-Transparent/dp/B005FLU1I0/ref=asc_df_B005FLU1I0/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226606326869&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9504322334995817749&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006661&hvtargid=pla-421714194928&psc=1 Edit seen you tried a 6ft long one and used it all the way, could be a case of just needing some extra length (this one is double at 4 meter).
Definitely worth trying something else. You’ve got 4 days before the plumber comes, assuming you don’t pay his costs if you resolve. No insult to working plumbers here. I’d be deranged trying to sort this - sleepless nights the lot - my sink would have o’d on stuff now. I’m not normal though :D
Probably didn't help that your pipework is full of water and your blockage is quite a way down the pipe so the Mr muscle gel is diluted massively. I would have removed the p trap to clear the water, then put Mr muscle down the pipe with a little boiling water to get it to the blockage I presume you have tried rodding the blockage from the point where the solvent joints begin (ie after removing the p trap) Personally, I wouldn't waste money on Mr muscle. I would use 500ml of white vinegar down the sink (drained of water), followed by a tablespoon of bicarbonate of soda (or baking powder), followed by some boiling water then leave overnight, then boiling water again https://groceries.asda.com/product/19241?&cmpid=ppc-_-ghs-_--_-google-_--_-dskwid-s92700058697511147_dt&s_kwcid=AL!11432!3!459891151410!!!g!1048072708764!&ds_rl=1254319&gclid=CjwKCAiAgc-ABhA7EiwAjev-j9Q9v9N5PiNv_yLWYjdLOBB5Qagg00lLI2xacgfok-agpYvHkC8IRxoC6WUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Nope, mr muscle didn’t work. used it with boiling water as well. Plumber coming on 4th feb. I will let you know after that. Thanks
My mistake. Then if you use push fit it should work on 1/2" & 15mm?
The nut on the end of the OP’s flexi is 1/2. I haven’t mentioned 1/2” pipe :)
I thought 15mm fittings work on 1/2" pipe.
It should work if it’s enamelled. Have a look at the video in the above link, it’s easy to do, it just needs time given to the sanding process. I managed to buy a kit for roughly £20 and as I said, the repair is hard to see. eBay Cramer Repair Kit £21.50 - colour Alpine White
No probs. In my post above, use a 15mm x 1/2 male compression coupling to get from your flexi to copper. (Providing the nut on the end of your flexi is 1/2”?). Looks like it from here but sometimes get the odd one that is 3/8”. https://www.screwfix.com/p/compression-adapting-male-coupler-15mm-x-/69358?tc=TT7&ds_kid=92700055281954514&ds_rl=1249404&gclid=CjwKCAiAo5qABhBdEiwAOtGmbt4itv4P0h0vQ7RYT0bi_H16YlZyS7FnwdoEj51BJ4NYwUvpptZOHxoC5_gQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Think he did that to my tesco post the other day 😃
Well done 👏
Congratulations. On wasting everyones time. Please try not to post questions when you have no intention of listening to peoples responses. I even went out of my way to post a link & all you had to do is click it. To be fair is a bit of a kick in the teeth when I help you & you dismiss it out of hand.
update - i went on chat instead and it stated they were very busy so only contact them if it is urgent and there were 66 people in the queue in front of me! i waited anyway and it actually only took about 15 minutes waiting, probably because most of those 66 people gave up. the advisor confirmed that the stopcock was indeed covered, so hoorayy.... i don't have to pay for a plumber (y)
this was why i posted the question on here as i know how difficult it is to contact them even in normal times. the waiting time can exceed 30 minutes. in the last lockdown they didn't answer the phone and there was an automated message to use their app, which doesn't actually work.
Not a bad idea :)
Ok, I’ve had a go, but without knowing room sizes is very difficult. Excuse my drawing. (cheeky) Dividing wall between toilet and bathroom is moved across to the right abutting the window, contains toilet handbasin and small shower. Toilet door is blocked up and new entrance to bathroom is opposite the top of the stairs, containing deep shower, toilet and handbasin.
I'm.not house proud so not really upto showing a pic But I've drawn it out
No from your description though it was what I imagined you were after. Block off the existing doorway, put a doorway from the bedroom to create an ensuite and fit everything into the space. Doesn't look too hard if you get a half decent builder tbh. Window placement could present slight issues but I'm sure that can be overcome. I'd probably use a bifold door too to save on space in the bedroom.
Something like this in the first floor, excuse my drawing (cheeky)
Oh I get you now.
The trap is on the sink that then connects to the pipe that comes from the shower, the shower drain is a linear drain.
I did tell you it was the trap. Its a bottle trap which shouldn't be used on showers & baths.
Well after ordering the air blaster from e-bay - which wont arrive for another two weeks now (mad) I had disconnected and cleaned the sink pipe and trap, re-assembled so it was fitting better than before and the shower is now draining ok...? No sure how it's related as the sink was and still drains fine.
I once had a blocked drain, thought this'll be an easy DIY job. Then found the blocking material was as hard as cement. I think it was a long term accumulation of washing powder (old house, previous owners) that wasn't fully dissolved, and it had 'set'. Got a professional in who did a good job of clearing all the way through the ceramic waste pipework, including lifting inspection covers. He used a flexible high pressure hose which could be fed through bends. Well worth the money.
Usually tap has to be open when you pull it up as the pressure will hold it there.
I have those taps.. Yes pull up push down... But just so you know the twisty tap bit on these can be awkward to turn due to not much to grip on to... so can slip a lot when trying to turn it.
Lovely, appreciate all the replies. (y)
Pull it up or push it down will work.
Had one somewhat like that, which you push the circled bit down after turning the taps on (the water pressure then holds the shower valve open).
Thanks, thats useful to know. (y) Sounds like you got a good deal there, if you'd have had to get a local plumber to fit some parts and then he'd got WB down to fit some more, I'll bet the total bill would have been a lot more than £99! Just a reminder that this cover does auto-renew, even if you've switched to another energy provider, and they will start charging you. They will write to you beforehand though and if you don't like the deal you can ring up and cancel, at which point they may offer you a better deal.
Just excess. They do come round first to have a look and rebook another visit to install replaced parts. On one occassiaon they couldnt fix after replacing parts, they called manufacture WB to come down and replace half the boiler.
I have this plan with my energy tariff as well, though I've never had to use it yet (touch wood!). Can I just ask, did you just pay the £99 excess and thats all, or did you have to pay for the parts as well?
I have this plan too with my energy tariff. Paid the 99£ excess and changed like £30 worth of parts. Boiler is 10yrs old so needed half of its organ replaced. Overall happy with the service.
You're lucky- live in London. Taking the excess off on Homecare 4 took the annual cost up by over £200. But this was on a rented property where they really do rip you off.
Change of diet! YW
Leave it for an hour or so for the water level to sink down TO NORMAL LEVEL, then reflush. Repeat as necessary. Chances are it'll clear itself as it softens
Check all other drains, sinks, baths etc are draining properly. Clear it by any of the methods above. This is the important part.... prevent any more blockages. Use a really soft toilet tissue (check it dissolves by putting a few sheets in a jug of water and stirring. If it dissolves that's a good tissue. If it doesn't, avoid . Paper is a well known issue, with many countries banning toilet tissue being flushed). The best tissue can be the ones for campervans and caravans. Also make sure no women/ girls are putting any sanitary items down. I've also seen toilets blocked by a couple of buddies - that's enough to start a blockage.
Wrap cling film over the toilet really tight with no gaps. Then flush the loo and push down on the cling film. The pressure and suction will unblock the toilet
Uncle Knackers. An absolute "Rippa" = hero! Last ever time I had a blockage, worked a treat. No mess - no fuss. Quite satisfying too when you hear the big "Gulp" noise and see it go down... (poo) gone... (y)
No. Ive seen the parties. Its not a pretty sight and nothing like the internet. ;)
... The latter?
I would class him as a white collar user, like the bankers and accountants that snort cocaine to stay awake and perform better. They are genuinely nice and friendly people, both well paid jobs, kids speak like they have been educated at Eton, and ive lived next to them for years, and if i wasn’t working at home more i probably would not be aware of his side passion as the other 99% of time i never know they are even in the house. My mate opposite has swingers next door to him who have loud and naked parties in two hot tubs in the garden three times a week during the summer months, i know who i would rather live next to.
Sounds a lovely neighbour, a drug user banging for 3 hours straight and howling, said he would try to be quieter yet nothing has changed. Yep! Lovely. I wonder what kind of place it would be if the wife and kids weren’t there. Let’s hope you never find out lol
I have, about 7 weeks ago. Its a family of four and he told me that wednesdays are the only day he gets off work when his wife and kids are out and he like a smoke of the wacky stuff. He apologised and said he would try and be quieter lol. This isn’t your typical drug slum next door. They are lovely neighbours and have borrowed tools etc from me and returned the same day. Just wednsedays he likes to be a different person i think.
Don't know any codes but have used Mano before for a set of crockery and they were delivered fine so never had any problems. :)
Thanks, i think i may have to go with stainless due to better designs and they seems to have them. Do you know any working voucher for this? And also how is their service?
Widest one I can find that's similar but inset
Appreciate it but looking fod similar materials too (granite/composite) if not i guess I'll stick to stainless steel. Basically that entire look but inset. Thanks for helping out
Understood. Something like this?? Ignore cost for the moment. Wide sink
I unblocked it. Took ages. Warm water bicarb and a small pipe cleaner. I managed to removed two razor covers which some how got in that small space and jammed. Now to get the cover to refit it all :) thanks
Long hair is the problem with our shower drain (its the Mrs's hair she has glossy dark hair that reaches her backside), luckily it only has to travel a couple of feet before reaching the outside drain it flows into, a few pumps of the plunger to remove the majority of the water and a squirt of hair removal foam (like nair) let sit overnight and then fill the bath (shower is over bath type) with warm(ish) water and then pull the plug to flush it, do this every few months. Used to be almost weekly but we bought a silicone trap that doubles as a plug and it seems to catch most of it before it washes down. Tried metal traps and they didn't work nearly half as well.
If you don’t want to use the vinegar and bicarb trick and leave the shower overnight. I’d recommend this:
Be careful using plungers etc as you can build up significant hydraulic pressure in the pipework and 'pop' a pipe out if compression fitings have been used.
I think you may found out difficult to put together that shower tray trap, I would suggest that you remove that trap with better accessible rearranged pipe work option, after that you can easily access pipe work if further blocking happens. Have you use plunger? Like this one on link https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monument-1459W-Master-Plunger-Unblocker/dp/B0001P0F4A/ref=asc_df_B0001P0F4A/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=256125662130&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=904195049519870512&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9072504&hvtargid=pla-422015686984&psc=1&th=1&psc=1
Oh I bet you can ;)
I'm getting deeper in it :o Scientifically you are correct, and I'm sure it states in the instructions you must do xy&z. In my experience this is a way of covering themselves, and who can blame them. I can only say as I find, and if people choose to follow the rules I wouldn't frown or mock them for it, other than to say in my experience I have never had an issue with the way I install baths.
So you fit baths and do not realise properties of silicon functions best under compression and glass fibre deforms/flexes. Both being the reasons why the manufacturers and suppliers of these products (as linked above) advice contradicts your own. It hardly as if they could know more is it!
Oh dear I'm in trouble.... From my own personal experience I silicon all my baths to the wall resting on a battern, and never had one fail. I have even had to remove one months later as a new owner wanted to convert it to a shower tray in the end it involved an SDS to separate the two as it wasn't for moving.
Wickes,B&Q, plumbworld, bigbathroomshop and even unibond (sealant manufacturer) state to fill before application. (39) How to Seal a Bath with Wickes - YouTube (39) How to seal a bath - YouTube How to Seal a Bath Properly (plumbworld.co.uk) How to Seal Around the Bath (bigbathroomshop.co.uk) DIY Lesson 101: How to seal a bath (unibond.co.uk)