MG MG4 51kWh SE Auto 5dr - £25,995 @ Auto Trader / Perrys Preston

I have a 22 MG ZS ev 72kw.. I noticed the same recently when the range dropped drastically about 30 to 40% during the freeze .. It never improved even though the weather reached double digits.. What I discovered yesterday is that, if i don’t reset the trip meter after such conditions, the range will not reflect current weather conditions but will estimate based on past journeys.. Once I reset the trip meter, voila the estimated range came back to where I would expect it.. this was a big relief.. And then enabling battery heating also helped with the range and miles per kwh figures.. Hope this helps someone ..

That is electric cars for you. Nothing else competes new at this price though and these make all VAG EVs look vastly overpriced. China EV invasion is about to start and we have seen nothing yet. China is going to flood this market, they make EVs in all classes and price brackets and I believe there are now 60+ EV manufacturers in China, more than any other country in the world.

Nio, Xpeng, BYD, Wuling, Hogqi, Ora and MG are all ones I've heard of that are making some very interesting cars. The other thing to note is these aren't Chinese copy low quality poor execution, so of these cars are right up there with the best. Nio have some excellent battery changing station technology.

Very trolling image, I assume you're pricing motorway charging. Let's counter with off peak home charging at 10p/kwh (even 35p regular tariff is much cheaper)
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True public charging is expensive at the moment but even in the depths of winter at motorway speeds we're still getting 3 miles/kwh and I'm guessing probably around 4 if summer ever arrives so not quite 35p per mile. I would say 25p/mile in winter and 18p in the summer but that is for motorway driving, around town and on slower roads it's much better.
We're currently home charging for 10p/kwh which does make it very cheap to run.

Looks awful and cheap.

This is why I won't get one. Perfect car on paper but I'll stick with my Leaf because Nissan unlike MG know that people really hate any electrical issues with their cars and so get all the electrics to be bulletproof, even if it means using five year old proven technology from other cars. Large parts of the early Leafs for instance were taken directly from the Nissan Juke. MG don't have those archives of designs, even if the battery/motor side is sound.

Show them your bank account or proof you have the money. Tell them leave me alone and you're getting the money. The issue with that tactic and this car is they 100% know they can sell this car so they don't have to pander to your requests, they can do it their way and if you don't buy it someone else will be along straight after you. It's worth a go next time but probably won't work as this car is a good £5K-£10K cheaper than any of the competition and I'd argue that VW ID.3 doesn't even compete with this car.

Totally agree exactly what I'm doing. Extending my ioniq lease

Longer than a petrol engine and about the same in cost, 10-12 year old 1st gen Nissan Leaf batteries degraded around 1% per year, worst EV batteries ever lasting 150k+ milesActive cooled, modern batteries will outlast yourself and the rest of the car.

Why do EV critics think battery warranty is the same as life expectancy? Petrol engines have 3 year warranties but no one says they need to replace their engines every 3 years do they Petrol engines are 1000x more likely to fail than EV batteries but no one ever asks how long they last or cost to replace (unless you're a Range Rover or BMW owner) (edited)

Hey, I'm a fellow ioniq electric leaser! I'm in year 2 of a 3 year lease @ £200/month, maintenance included, 9 month up front, and perhaps controversially, 5000miles/annum. So far, seems like a good deal for me

My reason for taking a 5000 mile deal was because historically this was around my usage (admittedly wasn't last year...), and I actually worked out that at 12p/mile, it was actually cheaper than the 8000 mile deal unless you drive between something like 7200-8800 miles - anything more or less than that was cheaper on the 5000 mile offer! (edited)

China has invested massively in EV technology, China hasn't even started yet in the UK. There is nothing else at this price that performs like this MG4. I made a statement earlier in this thread that there are 60+ EV manufacturers in China. However that's out of date information. In May 2022 there were 450 registered EV manufacturers!

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China will make it impossible to ignore EVs made in China. You will have to pay more to get another brand that will be the reality. Nio, Xpeng and BYD are coming to the UK and if you watch fully charged on YouTube you can see test drives of some of these cars. Many are truly excellent cars.

13:13 in this video is where he says "2023 is the year where China goes full gang busters on European market" Look at the NIO ET7 OK that's not in the affordable class of EVs but it does demonstrate how good China are at making EVs now.





It's not all over though. The iONIQ 6 is probably the best EV in existence, in terms of the overall package, that's made by Hyundai which is South Korean. Germany are brining some mightily impressive cars out with the

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and the gorgeous fantastic X-BUS > electricbrands.de/en/…us/

Then you have the futuristic, range defying Aptera aptera.us/ which I hope passes UK regulations, sign me up this is my kind of car!

Then finally we have the indescribable Citroen OLI which is more than gone back to Citroens Ultra crazy French styling they were famous for. Might be a love it or hate it car and it probably will never be released as it is a prototype but sign me up for one too if they do release it, that is mental looking >

Book this bloke ^ in to Specsavers asap before it is too late!

Absolutely. Current EVs do not suit everbodies needs all the time.

My first EV had a range of 80 miles. Very restricting.

My next had a range of 150 miles. Much better but return journies over 125 miles needed a rapid charge, which of course added to the time of travel and needed planning in case the first choice charger was in use or broken.

My latest EV has a range of 350 miles in the summer (I was achieving well in excess of that in June and July) and 250 ish in the depths of winter. Its been totally liberating and no journey we would ever contemplate would be a problem for us.

I am still able to fill up the tank at just 10p per kw - as can anyone who uses Octopus Intelligent tariff. And Octopus Go is still available too with 4 hours at 12p per kw every night.

For 90% of people who have off street parking, so they can charge at home, the latest EVs like this MG would suit them for 95% plus of their needs. After all the avergae annual motoring is just 9000 miles - so less than 200 miles per week - which would need only one charge a week.

But those who do high daily mileage or who have this 'need' to be able to travel long distances at the drop of a hat to see ill relatives who live at the other end of the country, then perhaps a decent PHev is the answer.

Of course the very wealthy can elect to get a long range Tesla and drive 300 miles between dedicated ultra rapid charging stations but they are well out of the budget of the 'normal' man.

As I have posted many times. All cars - EVs or otherwise - its horses for courses

Incidentally. Over the past couple of months I am seeing loads more MG EVs on the road. All registered since September

Pros and cons. EVs are great on fuelling costs IF you have a driveway, your own charger and a SMETS2 smart meter to access a cheap Tariff, like Octopus Go- although peak electricity on the new rates is dearer than the cap, because new Go customers are paying 40p on peak rates, not 34p per kWh.

If you are out and about beyond the range of the car, rapid charging is expensive and inconvenient.

If you can't charge at home (live in a flat or old Victorian Terrace with no driveway, avoid EV for as long as you can as charging away from home is a PITA and expensive. EVs are generally coming with a £10k premium over the ICE equivalent - that difference buys a lot of petrol or diesel. (edited)

The range will be a lot lower in 10 years though, you won't be abole to go far in it. OK as a city car I suppose.

You’re right in the sense that the salary sacrifice lease companies (ie Octopus, love electric etc) are cleaning up on this - They’re charging a huge premium for facilitating this through your employer to allow you to access the tax benefits of salary sacrifice. But, providing you’re a higher rate tax payer, I think employees win too. Assuming your net cost (after tax benefits) of £370 is correct, over 48 months that’s £17,760 so that’s your reference point. If you were to borrow the £32.5k to purchase outright, at the moment, best interest rate is likely to be about 7% which would make your spend over £37,000. So salary sacrifice over 4 years = £17,760, so you would need the car to be worth around £20k to have bettered that deal, after 4 years and 24k miles. I would say, it probably wouldn’t be a million miles off, maybe you would be slightly up or down, but I don’t think it would be significant if you were up and there would be more risk depending on what guaranteed value your PCP finance deal gave you.

I think the SS deal pips it on the basis if you end up being an additional rate tax payer, the savings increase, and most of these arrangements (at least the two I mentioned above) provide other benefits such as inclusive insurance, free charge point install, breakdown cover and waivers on damage when handing the car back etc.

I must admit it pains me to be going for one of these deals a bit because of the ridiculous extra margin the lease company is making, instead of sharing more of the benefit with the employee, but I think the bottom line is still better with SS, personally.

Yes but not viable really as no benefit - prices aren’t really different - new in stock vehicles are always best and cheapest deals as they need gone

Salary sacrifice can reduce your pension payout in some final salary schemes if you have one

Semi agree - lots of little differences between SE and Trophy ( no one touch window buttons for passengers for example on SE ) 

But I have a SE and have fully HVAC control from my phone, can remotely heat or cool the car.

If you don't like the range then don't buy it. Simples. I know my nan could use this to get to the Good Hope there and back twice a week and do the Farmfoods run on one charge a month.

I must be really mental then had 8 over the last 8 years, Done 300k miles lost £17k in depreciation and saved £35k in fuel congestion charging and parking.. God I love being Mental.. * years before going EV Spent over 10k in fuel and thousands in servicing.. Plus got hung upside down on depreciation (edited)

Nice looking car. Enjoy!

7 year warranty is not worth the paper its not wrote on, most items fall of the warrantry after 1 or 2 years

Fiesta ST Performance Edition comes in that colour.
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Need a heat pump for heating really if you have that option.

Your opinion, but perhaps you have bad taste or it doesn't have the right badge on it. It seems 99% of people like the look. If they stuck a VW/Audi/Hyundai/BMW/Ford badge on it you'd think it was nicer.

You'd add £10k for your desired badge, however.

I just checked the Octopus car charging tariff and it is 12p per kWh between 00:30 and 04:30 but their daytime rate is 41p per kWh. I only pay 33p per kWh for my tariff so it seems like they are charging an extra 8p per kWh for all the other electricity you use just so they can charge a lower rate for those 4 hours every day. I use about 3600 kWh of electricity a year on average with no electric car so just switching to that tariff would cost me an extra £300 a year before I even started charging my car.

Do tell me more..... Could you send me worthless electric car from autotrader. Love to buy a few !!!

Amazed anyone is choosing diesel nowadays. I did back in the day when it cost the same as petrol but now you're paying more for a car that is still rubbish to drive vs a petrol equivalent.

Heater doesn't reduce range that much. 1-2 miles per hour.

Cold temperature reduces the battery useable capacity. Regardless if you use heater or not

That will probably get me to trade in my current MG4 for the new 4WD version... Normally wait a year before trading but if I can get 30k miles on this one before June when the 4WD ones out it may well temp me to an early upgrade