Nicola Sturgeon says she will seek approval next week for a second referendum on Scottish independence

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Nicola Sturgeon says she will seek approval next week for a second referendum on Scottish independence

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Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon confirms she will seek Section 30 order for second independence referendum

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Sturgeon: on referendum date: 'choice must be offered between autumn next year, 2018, and spring of 2019”

'once in a lifetime' referendum?

Nicely timed, just as May is hours away from triggering Article 50.

(_;)

archer1204

Sturgeon: on referendum date: 'choice must be offered between autumn next … Sturgeon: on referendum date: 'choice must be offered between autumn next year, 2018, and spring of 2019”



Be interesting to see how she thinks it will work.. By march 2019 the whole of the UK could/Will be out of the EU.. So by then will be too late to do anything particularly meaningful no?

Also a lot of people are saying Spain will veto any chance of Scotland becoming a member of the EU in its own right to stave off any hope from Catalonia of trying to do the same.

I'm presuming there is no legislation in the EU to deal with a member state splitting into 2 (which is what would happen if Scotland had a vote before we leave) and automatically becoming a member.. I guess they'd have to go through the process of joining again? and there would be the veto from Spain happening
Edited by: "winifer" 13th Mar

Good luck to them. I think they are going to need it.

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NOTADEALG

THIS ISN'T A NEWS SITE ****


Wow you literally been here 1 minute and this is your first comment
Edited by: "archer1204" 13th Mar

NOTADEALG

THIS ISN'T A NEWS SITE ****


perhaps you might post some deals then?

a multi of who I wonder?

davewave

perhaps you might post some deals then?


give them a chance
archer distracted them with his twitter announcement - erm thread

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Realistically Nicola is in a rock and a hard place we all know as soon she realised they lost the first referendum they were planning for the second,third etc.
But she realises if she actually goes through with the second and loses again she will have to resign and that will be the end of her political career.

fair enough, given the scottish remain result was sold on the result of economic stability and no fundamental change to the UK, which has gone out the window in the last year.

i do find it strange that those who outright reject any warning of the economic effects of brexit, or state that they are worth it to increase our sovereignty, don't see it the same way when Scotland makes the same argument for a renewed attempt at it's own independence - especially when large majorities up there voted against both brexit and a tory government.

I wish she would just **** off and let us see how the next few year go.

Good for the Scots. I don't know if their economy would be much worse off as an independent nation that was part of the EU, than as part of a Brexiting UK.

It's sad to see the Union fall apart as someone who loves Edinburgh and St Andrews and the people of Scotland, but I think it's time.

Byeeeeeeeee!*.



















(*no backsies when the EU crumbles)

davewave

'once in a lifetime' referendum?



​Until next time lol

I will be sorry to see the end of the Union but Scotland should follow the example of the Bexiteers who are quite happy to take the risk of financial instability to gain complete autonomy over their own affairs.

The financial impact will be horrendous but Scotland will recover and no more can they be accused of living off handouts from the UK gov.

I was very anti-independence last time due the financial risks but with Brexit - its a whole new ball game....
Edited by: "gari189" 13th Mar

Are they going to have half of our dept? as it is not all ours.

It should go ahead, with the proviso that if at any point the EU confirms that Scottish membership is off the table then the whole thing gets immediately scrapped as a waste of time and money.

Perhaps now is the time to outlaw dual nationality for British citizens .

How many of those Scots that are voting for seperation will relinquish in perpetuity their British passports and citizenship following a leave vote ?

The decision should be made for them and for others like them , you are either British, whatever your origins, or you are not , no-one should be allowed a foot in two or more camps and there should be no place for those with divided loyalties to have the full rights and privileges that comes with British citizenship both at home and abroad.

I for one am sick and tired of this , the Union is finished and England should make preparations to protect its northern border

Vote Leave.

drtongue

Are they going to have half of our dept? as it is not all ours.


Probably done pro-rata. All such issues are discussed/negotiated as part of the divorce - Czech and Slovakia went through the process a little while ago...

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

Good for the Scots. I don't know if their economy would be much worse off … Good for the Scots. I don't know if their economy would be much worse off as an independent nation that was part of the EU, than as part of a Brexiting UK.It's sad to see the Union fall apart as someone who loves Edinburgh and St Andrews and the people of Scotland, but I think it's time.



I suspect it might be great for Scotland's economy.

It's looking likely that England's going to suffer heavily after it leaves the EU, with the financial services industry in particular taking a kicking. Germany and France are already working hard and investing heavily to court companies based in London, and I think that while a lot of FS workers would be willing to move to where the work is, they'd much rather move within Britain, rather than to some overseas location. If Scotland ends up out of the UK but within the EU, it could become the new financial hub, and that could be a massive win for Scotland.

She is a bomb ticking idiot & has ignored the "majority" of the Scottish people who only 5 minutes ago voted NO!

How many chances does she want for a Yes vote to arrive?

gari189

I will be sorry to see the end of the Union but Scotland should follow … I will be sorry to see the end of the Union but Scotland should follow the example of the Bexiteers who are quite happy to take the risk of financial instability to gain complete autonomy over their own affairs. The financial impact will be horrendous but Scotland will recover and no more can they be accused of living off handouts from the UK gov.I was very anti-independence last time due the financial risks but with Brexit - its a whole new ball game....



I was very anti-independence too because of the value I saw in the Union, both culturally and financially.

The truth is that I have very little love for Britain anymore, and specifically England. We have two very different Britains emerging and you can pretty much divide them by how they voted on Brexit.

Places like Edinburgh voted overwhelmingly to Remain in virtually identical numbers as places like the City of London, Cambridge and Oxford and it's those places that I've always felt had a similar 'feel' to them. They represent the 'Britain' I always cherished.

But England seems to be moving towards a Britain that isn't of these places and that I have little love for. It's a shame we can't have a referendum and form a 'New Britain' of places that voted Remain and represent the best of British.

In lieu of that I can fully understand the Scots wanting independence and they have my full backing.

1854

Perhaps now is the time to outlaw dual nationality for British citizens … Perhaps now is the time to outlaw dual nationality for British citizens .How many of those Scots that are voting for seperation will relinquish in perpetuity their British passports and citizenship following a leave vote ? The decision should be made for them and for others like them , you are either British, whatever your origins, or you are not , no-one should be allowed a foot in two or more camps and there should be no place for those with divided loyalties to have the full rights and privileges that comes with British citizenship both at home and abroad.I for one am sick and tired of this , the Union is finished and England should make preparations to protect its northern border


It wouldn`t be a British passport though - it would be an English/Welsh one (NI will soon be off too). As for protecting yourself - what with? Many Scots serve in the forces.....And besides Scotland has the nukes for now
Edited by: "gari189" 13th Mar

Brexit has changed everything.

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1854

Perhaps now is the time to outlaw dual nationality for British citizens … Perhaps now is the time to outlaw dual nationality for British citizens .How many of those Scots that are voting for seperation will relinquish in perpetuity their British passports and citizenship following a leave vote ? The decision should be made for them and for others like them , you are either British, whatever your origins, or you are not , no-one should be allowed a foot in two or more camps and there should be no place for those with divided loyalties to have the full rights and privileges that comes with British citizenship both at home and abroad.I for one am sick and tired of this , the Union is finished and England should make preparations to protect its northern border


Build a Wall Build a Wall hmm havn't i heard that somewhere else recently

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

Good for the Scots. I don't know if their economy would be much worse … Good for the Scots. I don't know if their economy would be much worse off as an independent nation that was part of the EU, than as part of a Brexiting UK.It's sad to see the Union fall apart as someone who loves Edinburgh and St Andrews and the people of Scotland, but I think it's time.

1854

I for one am sick and tired of this , the Union is finished and England … I for one am sick and tired of this , the Union is finished and England should make preparations to protect its northern border



I absolutely think that a Scotland that leverages it's potential position as part of the EU, but outside the Euro (which is what the UK benefitted from) could absolutely thrive in the way you describe. Edinburgh could absolutely attract workers in the financial services industry in a way that Paris, Frankfurt etc. might not.

For a start they have the golf courses X)


From Scots trying to get in or from the English trying to escape?

david_wavid

Brexit has changed everything.


This has more to do with religion in the west of Scotland than anything else.

Will the Scottish Parliament give their permission?

Do the Scottish people want to leave?

Can England please have a referendum at the same time to eject Scotland from the union. (_;)

To all the Scottish members on here well played in the rugby last Saturday 61-21.

archer1204

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon confirms she will seek Section 30 … Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon confirms she will seek Section 30 order for second independence referendum


We as Scots should seek an order to section this deluded woman. She is so power hungry it will be the ruination of our nation. Get on with governing what you have because we are fast becoming a joke because of your antics.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

I absolutely think that a Scotland that leverages it's potential position … I absolutely think that a Scotland that leverages it's potential position as part of the EU, but outside the Euro (which is what the UK benefitted from) could absolutely thrive in the way you describe. Edinburgh could absolutely attract workers in the financial services industry in a way that Paris, Frankfurt etc. might not. For a start they have the golf courses X)From Scots trying to get in or from the English trying to escape?




I can see your point. Scotland would have an appeal to an increased service sector workforce, and has plenty of land available to build new housing estates to accommodate them.

STEWIEG

We as Scots should seek an order to section this deluded woman. She is so … We as Scots should seek an order to section this deluded woman. She is so power hungry it will be the ruination of our nation. Get on with governing what you have because we are fast becoming a joke because of your antics.


She is not power hungry, she is the charged battery with ~50% of Scottish generating her power.

david_wavid

Brexit has changed everything.


Pre-Brexit, post war, as well as Brexit have changed everything.

STEWIEG

We as Scots should seek an order to section this deluded woman. She is so … We as Scots should seek an order to section this deluded woman. She is so power hungry it will be the ruination of our nation. Get on with governing what you have because we are fast becoming a joke because of your antics.



Are you talking about Theresa May?

They have already said naw once, and may had said naw to a 2nd referendum.

I wish the yappy dog would be taken to the vets to be put to sleep.

splender

She is not power hungry, she is the charged battery with ~50% of Scottish … She is not power hungry, she is the charged battery with ~50% of Scottish generating her power.


She does not have and will never have the necessary backing for independence - so why can't she accept it and move on as any rational person would!

STEWIEG

She does not have and will never have the necessary backing for … She does not have and will never have the necessary backing for independence - so why can't she accept it and move on as any rational person would!


keep an eye on William Hill, Ladbrokes and Paddy Power odds

UK Gov have now stated they are against the referendum as it will be "divisive and cause great uncertainty".........seriously? Ironic or what...

At the start of the last campaign only 32-38% were in favour and they ended up with 47% so it will be an interesting campaign tbh they should have it this year and get it over and done with - don`t fancy an eighteen month campaign.

Edited by: "gari189" 13th Mar
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